An Honest Question

[artonkn]

Blizz won't up and undo F2P

But are you sure?

 

[The Saint]

An honest answer to your honest question, no. P2Ps suck and unless they are grouped like a pack of dogs picking on that lone cat they are powerless. Blizz won't up and undo F2P and they won't delete my toon or anything. Only thing to be worried of is how fun this bracket would be if they finally made it F2P only and how much RL time I would start losing playing WoW again

You're not only wrong you're delusional. Every "good" f2p i know were, or still are p2ps. That's just a start.

You know who started F2P twinking right? leotseddap, would you like to finish this post...

 

[inoobupro]

You know the fact that random BGs are filled with F2P's is like an reversed-inversed version of what it was like when twinks just started on WoW and we just slaughtered everyone besides the rare twink whom everyone else would view as your rival, you would be that rock for your team of under geared people, but then you would have these people who had incredible gear come in and save the day, that was because it wasn't cross realm BGs tho, good time. Either way it's no fun being that hero when you get that one arrogant F2P who thinks he's better than all P2P's ( reminds me a little of racism - it's certainly discriminatory - (by no means are most free to plays like this)) who thinks it's a good idea to hecke us in BGs on our own team - for real, we've had team mates try to sabotage us sparing off against holy crit, guess what - F2P's - this sort of thing was happening so frequently that I stopped queuing because randoms lost how much fun they where, but I suppose that might have been the goal, a little like GY farming in that your ruining others fun. I was hopping to get bloodthirsty this summer. we'll see how that goes.

except for some weird reason a lot of p2ps are so bad(no offense) , they don't really feel like the team MvP's or cornerstones of your team, quite often a free to play is more valuable to heal(not always) XD.

And I don't get it either you literally have double the stats( hp/spellpower/ almost double Attack power and mana if you go for the mana chest enchant)

Nevertheless, there are plenty of good people or cool folks playing p2p, just like there are plenty of f2p aholes (like me). I've only met like one legit 24, rest of the chill folks were unfortunately found in other twink brackets.

Oh and dude, you dont know whats griefing, check out my guide http://www.twinkinfo.com/forums/f43/guide-griefing-55866/ That's the real deal. Gl on the bloodthirsty

 

[The Saint]

except for some weird reason a lot of p2ps are so bad(no offense) , they don't really feel like the team MvP's or cornerstones of your team, quite often a free to play is more valuable to heal(not always) XD.

And I don't get it either you literally have double the stats( hp/spellpower/ almost double Attack power and mana if you go for the mana chest enchant)

Anyways dude, you dont know whats griefing, check out my guide http://www.twinkinfo.com/forums/f43/guide-griefing-55866/ That's the real deal. Gl on the bloodthirsty

I hope this is as good as your usual guidance

 

[Goesid]

You know the fact that random BGs are filled with F2P's is like an reversed-inversed version of what it was like when twinks just started on WoW and we just slaughtered everyone besides the rare twink whom everyone else would view as your rival, you would be that rock for your team of under geared people, but then you would have these people who had incredible gear come in and save the day, that was because it wasn't cross realm BGs tho, good time. Either way it's no fun being that hero when you get that one arrogant F2P who thinks he's better than all P2P's ( reminds me a little of racism - it's certainly discriminatory - (by no means are most free to plays like this)) who thinks it's a good idea to hecke us in BGs on our own team - for real, we've had team mates try to sabotage us sparing off against holy crit, guess what - F2P's - this sort of thing was happening so frequently that I stopped queuing because randoms lost how much fun they where, but I suppose that might have been the goal, a little like GY farming in that your ruining others fun. I was hopping to get bloodthirsty this summer. we'll see how that goes.

Who said those first days were so fun, sure there was some enjoyable moments of taking on 5 people at ones but certainly not the most fun. I'm curious, what is it that makes you think F2Ps wants these rocks, or people "back in the days" (just had to use that very cool line once). If there are no scumbag 24s on either side nobody needs to be saved. The 24 can't prove he is better because he relies on having 300 more in the primary stat to kill the opponent and having that major advantage you cannot prove you're better unless one of them abide the others rules. You'd be suprised how many do but won't tell it to your face. Why shouldn't they?

You come in to the bracket with so much more stats that you take away the joy from both them and the opponent team. If you had a football game and somebody on your team came in with a machine gun and shot down the entire opposing team and you just had to play the game running around doing nothing cause the other guy wanted to have it so easy for himself he didn't give a rats ass if he killed the joy of the remaining people on the field. Having gained that achivments by shooting down others because you couldn't accept the rules of which the bracket is built upon doesn't mean much.

You should really try F2P before you come here with your fancy ideas of how wrong F2P is. Good luck with whatever it is you find fun about slaughtering people with like half your hp pool.


edit: I have an active P2P account so you can scratch that from your argument list.

 

[The Saint]

Who said those first days were so fun, sure there was some enjoyable moments of taking on 5 people at ones but certainly not the most fun. I'm curious, what is it that makes you think F2Ps wants these rocks, or people "back in the days" (just had to use that very cool line once). If there are no scumbag 24s on either side nobody needs to be saved. The 24 can't prove he is better because he relies on having 300 more in the primary stat to kill the opponent and having that major advantage you cannot prove you're better unless one of the abide the others rules. You'd be suprised how many do but won't tell it to your face. Why shouldn't they?

You come in to the bracket with so much more stats that you take away the joy from both them and the opponent team. If you had a football game and somebody on your team came in with a machine gun and shot down the entire team and you just had to play the game running around doing nothing cause the other guy wanted to have it so easy for himself he didn't give a rats ass if he killed the joy of the remaining people on the field. Having gained that achivments by shooting down others because you couldn't accept the rules of which the bracket is built upon doesn't mean much.

You should really try F2P before you come here with your fancy ideas of how wrong F2P is. Good luck with whatever it is you find fun about slaughtering people with like half your hp pool.


edit: I have an active P2P account so you can scratch that from your argument list.

And you come in a game with a full 5 aside team vs just the goalkeeper.

 

[inoobupro]

sorry, but there's no legitimate reason for a p2p player to roll a 24 right now other than to be an asshole..Iif you're actually paying real money for world of warcraft, then all of the brackets are open to you. the 20-24 bracket is an unbelievably imbalanced, stupid bracket characterized by comical hp/damage/healing ratios, hunters druids and paladins that are *literally* godmode, and the majority of players at level 20 rather than level 24. there is *no* reason for a p2p player to be playing in this bracket except to be a dick and to **** with the level 20 players. period.


if you were a legitimate player looking for legitimate pvp, you would either be playing at max level or you would be twinking in another bracket that wasn't a complete joke.(sucks that in every good bracket the queues don't pop tho)

yeah, it's your choice to play in this bracket as a 24, and it's your money. but if you're a big enough asshole to make a 24 twink, personally Im not reaaaallllyyyy going to feel very bad for treating you like the dirtbag you are.

And you come in a game with a full 5 aside team vs just the goalkeeper.

But that why I don't necessarily feel any remorse for f2p either, they will also pull the same card with their hunters and druids and paladins. Its a vicious cycle.

 

[Goesid]

And you come in a game with a full 5 aside team vs just the goalkeeper.

Now that's not always the case. And solo pugging vs 24s is so annoying.

 

[Windbreaker]

Academically, I understand it's a game. You should play it in a way that gives you the most entertainment. p2p, f2p, l2p,...

Personally, I've tried p2p and it didn't give me any sense of accomplishment because of the advantages. If you like it, good for you. I'm not giving Blizz anymore cash for this game and I'll take what they let me have for free.

I really enjoyed it when Blizz first made BGs give xp with no option to freeze xp. Was that in BC?

 

[Zehj]

You know the fact that random BGs are filled with F2P's is like an reversed-inversed version of what it was like when twinks just started on WoW and we just slaughtered everyone besides the rare twink

difference is people would be levelling out of and in to the bracket all the time, not getting slaughtered for months on end

 

[inoobupro]

but then in all honesty i'd take 3-4 p2ps instead of 5-9 alliance hunters rogues and druids any day of the week,

its that fotm alliance disease that this game has contracted in almost every twink bracket with the exception of 19s. As long as alliance has a cap of those 3 classes im even fine with only alliance having 24s or whatever (yes fotm is mostly a f@#$ alliance problem)

 

[The Saint]

Now that's not always the case. And solo pugging vs 24s is so annoying.

But it is the case most of the time, at least on active F2P realms. And solo pugging vs 24s, droves of hunters, and freemades is just as annoying.

Honestly, there is two sides of the story.

 

[Goesid]

But it is the case most of the time, at least on active F2P realms. And solo pugging vs 24s, droves of hunters, and freemades is just as annoying.

Honestly, there is two sides of the story.

Surely. I used to pug alot. But since 5.4, pugging vs 24s is just too much of bore I prefer to roll with atleast one other person and when I'm on ally I'm either running into SPC or russians so that's really no problem.

 

[Upswag]

Who cares if I lose my F2P chars? I like them a lot, but I'll know my characters were awesome and that's all that matters!

 

[Rollop]

Thats why I said I look forward to it.

I dont see them removing it completely honestly. The trial bracket is blizzards gift to casual pvpers. 1 button wins? check. Feel op? check. False sense of accomplishment? check. All aces in blizzards book i bet. At least one of their customers is satisfied. Although it no doubt leaves a sour taste in a new players mouth, which is most likely contributing too the hemorrhaging subscriptions. Anyhow, no i dont see them removing this pseudo "free" version of WoW. If anything they'll expand on it to make up for lost profits. They're already double dipping, taking your subscription money as a cash shop is unveiled. I'd expect more down the road. They've already introduced character boosts, showing they've given up on making their introduction content (leveling) worthwhile. I'm just waiting on raid gear to go on sale. Pay 60 and get your t20 set.

 

[Waterworks]

Marinara is probably my favorite sauce but rigatoni primavera is my favorite pasta dish. The rigatoni primavera has the "crispness" of spring as is name implies if is cooked with the correct ingredients.

I'm partial to a well done carbonara, or a fettucini with duck, bacon, and peas.

 

[Kilda]

One day Blizz will completely turn off the WoW servers, and even those who have invested years of work and paid a subscription will lose everything too. Does anyone read the terms and conditions we all agree to every patch? I'm sure there's something in there which states how Blizz has the right to do absolutely anything they like to our accounts seeing as they belong to them, we merely pay to rent the service.. Once the cash cow has been milked it will go to slaughter.. It's probably not for a long time though. I think they will keep F2P as long as possible as it still attracts new subscribers

 

[Brov]

Trial accounts are fun to play imo because it's the only low level bracket that is truly affected by the yearly changes that Blizzard makes. One good example would be the fact that max level players get to experience a new world with every new expansion. Some would say that f2ps experience the same thing. When MOP is added to the battle-chest, we will gain access to Pandaria and everything that comes with it. Just how we gained access to Notherend w/ WOTLK, and Archaeology with Cataclysm(not much here). It's a delicate bracket that can be affected greatly by a single change from Blizzard's end. That's why I like it.

 

[Srs]

The problem with f2p WoW is, that it's probably turning off as many potential subscribers as it is bringing in. If WoW wants to keep its subscriptions model for a few more years, it needs to get with the times and offer a viable f2p experience for new players. Sure we get a lot out of it, but twinks aren't your typical players.

If I were a new player, based on the current f2p experience, I wouldn't subscribe. I'd play another, more modern game. Don't get me wrong, I love WoW, but Blizzard is not putting its best foot forward with f2p, instead it's highlighting the most broken aspects of the game to potential customers. You wouldn't show a girl your hentai collection on a first date, likewise, WoW needs to clean up it's act if it wants to propagate.

 

[l30t53dd6p]

You're not only wrong you're delusional. Every "good" f2p i know were, or still are p2ps. That's just a start.

You know who started F2P twinking right? leotseddap, would you like to finish this post...

I don't really know who started with f2p twinking. I am certain it was not me. The only thing I did was throwing ideas around at the start on TI to create a TI community with EU and US players combined and some ideas saw the light while others weren't possible due to wargames not working for example. The community didn't succeed anyway due to puggers. Our goal was to create an one faction community playing wargames and chose the side wich could gear fairly easy and not creating gear unbalance wich was alliance. I only stood at the base of creating the Aerie Peak alliance f2p community.