JadeFire
Worthless
Did they chance the way + weapon damage works in any patch... because when I was last here... +weapon damage off hand was worthless.
20s "Audit" Thread
- Thread starter CigNus
- Start date
Did they chance the way + weapon damage works in any patch... because when I was last here... +weapon damage off hand was worthless.
OP
OP
Yes for the pants!
Not too sure about that, Haven't tested but I think EF is bis here. Boring, but BiS. I think some used to run +wep Dam in MH but I thought it got nerfed because of Mage tower changes?
Yes for minor speed!
I believe so! see above, and potency is just attack power (or agi in your enhances case)
Mnemonic
Veteran
Yeah, I don’t know Enchance, but I figure with Frost Shock and your heal that the extra chunk of Agility from Potency will go further than Elemental Force.
Zisa
Steezy-E
Alright, my turn!
I finally feel comfortable enough with my progress on this toon to post her.
Hazeleyes - Character (worldofwarcraft.com)
I'm pretty casual so mostly just for random bgs, maybe the occasional arena and some PvE. Nothing incredibly competitive.
What i'm not worried about: Terts or min-maxing to an extreme. I really can't be assed to farm for a socketed weap and OH either unless the difference from what i've got is pretty huge.
What i am worried about: Proper gemming / enchants. There might be better gem allocations that I can do, or an enchant I might have missed.
Thank you guys for any and all feedback!
[doublepost=1640558703,1640558543][/doublepost]
I finally feel comfortable enough with my progress on this toon to post her.
Hazeleyes - Character (worldofwarcraft.com)
I'm pretty casual so mostly just for random bgs, maybe the occasional arena and some PvE. Nothing incredibly competitive.
What i'm not worried about: Terts or min-maxing to an extreme. I really can't be assed to farm for a socketed weap and OH either unless the difference from what i've got is pretty huge.
What i am worried about: Proper gemming / enchants. There might be better gem allocations that I can do, or an enchant I might have missed.
Thank you guys for any and all feedback!
[doublepost=1640558703,1640558543][/doublepost]
Oh, also, I cant get that stupid mindfire waistband to drop for the life of me. I'm easily over 60 runs on legacy and regular loot. Still working on it!
Mnemonic
Veteran
I'd still do https://www.wowhead.com/item=24393?ilvl=25 for gloves, but it's totally justifiable either which way. Its 1 stam 4 crit vs 3 vers. You'll need to be rather aggressive with your damaging abilities for that 4 crit to add enough value.
https://www.wowhead.com/spell=33997/major-spellpower on gloves is a bit of a pain, but well worth it.
I'll always recommend https://www.wowhead.com/spell=82200/spinal-healing-injector over grenades for a Healer. An extra 1000 HP non-gcd heal per min is incomparable.
I think most discipline priests would favor more haste over versatility. You have plenty of Verse, and could switch the 2/2 verse gems and the 2nd ring enchant over for haste variants.
For quick daily farms, you can target https://www.wowhead.com/item=119399/cudgel-of-the-son-of-goramal?ilvl=25 and https://www.wowhead.com/item=119414/yals-leafwrap-cloak?ilvl=25 .
The sockets on mainhand and offhand are really quite good. It's essentially 6 secondary stats per socket, so you're passing up ~10 secondary stats for the mh/oh procs. That would be a ~2% increase in your healing/damage throughput. You can use the add-on Details to compare the impact of the procs to that 2%. There are plenty of groups forming to run AD every day, you won't have issues finding farming partners.
Finally, if you haven't done the BFA rare hunt, it's worth rolling for an upgrade on https://www.wowhead.com/item=160447/soul-pillar-lantern?bonus=4777:1474&ilvl=25 , https://www.wowhead.com/item=155425/barbthorn-queens-stinger?bonus=4777:1474&ilvl=25 , https://www.wowhead.com/item=155278/shiverscale-spellknife?bonus=4777:1474&ilvl=25 , https://www.wowhead.com/item=160985/glompmaws-ring?bonus=4777:1474&ilvl=25 , and https://www.wowhead.com/item=155381/cutwater-captains-sapphire-ring?bonus=4777:1474&ilvl=25 . Same for https://www.wowhead.com/item=37033/manual-of-the-tides?ilvl=24 and https://www.wowhead.com/item=37041/scepter-of-the-winterfin?ilvl=24 .
Zisa
Steezy-E
Great advice! All of those are excellent pointers and exactly the kind of feedback i was looking for
At work atm, will give a better reply in a little bit!
[doublepost=1640630788,1640577487][/doublepost]Alrighty, did some work based on your recommendations:
1: Swapped out the verse gems for 2/2 int hastes and a Nightmare 3 stat. This got my cast speed back to 1.2 sec shadow mends instead of 1.3, which is what I prefer
2: I lost about 5% verse total, but using Bloody Surgeons Mitts got me back up to 30% vers from 29%, which feels pretty good...so I'm using that now as well. Not as much swag as the Epic but swag dont save lives!
so, Fast, strong heals overall. 20% haste and 30% vers feels really nice and quick.3: Major Spellpower enchant is applied, great call.
4: Ring enchants are both haste now.
5: FINALLY got the Mindfire Waistband to drop this morning
I did some testing, and I think i'll continue to use the frag for two reasons. One, I play a pretty aggressive priest for better or worse, and I have a "panic button" macro that uses consumables (yeah, im a consumable nerd), which share a CD with the injector so I cant use them at the same time...so over the two I'd rather have a 50% heal and a potion of defiance plus an aoe stun from the frag to get nerds off of me when im getting pwned vs the 400 or so in heals that I'm getting off the belt...unless im doing something wrong? It was only showing to heal 400 for me per min. I think its just a preference thing though, i can def understand someone using the injector.
I only have 4 days of sub left... lets see if I can get some socketed MH/OH from AD
Appreciate you much!
Mnemonic
Veteran
Great advice! All of those are excellent pointers and exactly the kind of feedback i was looking for
At work atm, will give a better reply in a little bit!
[doublepost=1640630788,1640577487][/doublepost]Alrighty, did some work based on your recommendations:
1: Swapped out the verse gems for 2/2 int hastes and a Nightmare 3 stat. This got my cast speed back to 1.2 sec shadow mends instead of 1.3, which is what I prefer
2: I lost about 5% verse total, but using Bloody Surgeons Mitts got me back up to 30% vers from 29%, which feels pretty good...so I'm using that now as well. Not as much swag as the Epic but swag dont save lives!
3: Major Spellpower enchant is applied, great call.
4: Ring enchants are both haste now.
5: FINALLY got the Mindfire Waistband to drop this morning
I did some testing, and I think i'll continue to use the frag for two reasons. One, I play a pretty aggressive priest for better or worse, and I have a "panic button" macro that uses consumables (yeah, im a consumable nerd), which share a CD with the injector so I cant use them at the same time...so over the two I'd rather have a 50% heal and a potion of defiance plus an aoe stun from the frag to get nerds off of me when im getting pwned vs the 400 or so in heals that I'm getting off the belt...unless im doing something wrong? It was only showing to heal 400 for me per min. I think its just a preference thing though, i can def understand someone using the injector.
I only have 4 days of sub left... lets see if I can get some socketed MH/OH from AD
Appreciate you much!
The heal belt scales up above 1000hp in battlegrounds. Buy https://www.wowhead.com/item=9144/wildvine-potion#sold-by for a strong potion that doesn't share a cooldown with heal belt. It also helps with mana. Really, really, really recommend it.
Goesid
Twink Info Legend
Nightmare Tear is 2 stats not 3. also consider Gholamcloth wrap for belt over mindfire if you get it blue or epicGreat advice! All of those are excellent pointers and exactly the kind of feedback i was looking for
At work atm, will give a better reply in a little bit!
[doublepost=1640630788,1640577487][/doublepost]Alrighty, did some work based on your recommendations:
1: Swapped out the verse gems for 2/2 int hastes and a Nightmare 3 stat. This got my cast speed back to 1.2 sec shadow mends instead of 1.3, which is what I prefer
2: I lost about 5% verse total, but using Bloody Surgeons Mitts got me back up to 30% vers from 29%, which feels pretty good...so I'm using that now as well. Not as much swag as the Epic but swag dont save lives!
3: Major Spellpower enchant is applied, great call.
4: Ring enchants are both haste now.
5: FINALLY got the Mindfire Waistband to drop this morning
I did some testing, and I think i'll continue to use the frag for two reasons. One, I play a pretty aggressive priest for better or worse, and I have a "panic button" macro that uses consumables (yeah, im a consumable nerd), which share a CD with the injector so I cant use them at the same time...so over the two I'd rather have a 50% heal and a potion of defiance plus an aoe stun from the frag to get nerds off of me when im getting pwned vs the 400 or so in heals that I'm getting off the belt...unless im doing something wrong? It was only showing to heal 400 for me per min. I think its just a preference thing though, i can def understand someone using the injector.
I only have 4 days of sub left... lets see if I can get some socketed MH/OH from AD
Appreciate you much!
Zisa
Steezy-E
Unfortunately got a green one
[doublepost=1640633557,1640633482][/doublepost]
Excellent, I was wondering if that was the case. Def worth the switch then.
toskosa
Grandfathered
weapon damage on offhand will only buff moves that use both weapons, like storm strike and lavalash since it uses your offhand.
southwurth
Member
I couldn't find any discussion on this topic from my cursory search and was curious what % we should be targeting for secondary stats. I read from this thread that ~175 is the softcap for versatility, but am clueless for haste and mastery.
And practically speaking, how much difference do you guys see in BGs between TBC/Legion socket gear and heirloom gear given all enchants are equal? I'm still waiting for my subscription to expire and haven't really started optimizing my gear. I play an Outlaw rogue, and from inspecting some of the vets' gears, I'm seeing a difference of around -40 Agility, -3% haste, -12% versatility, which look massive. I'm not really trying to maximize damage - more towards a CC-oriented, trolling playstyle.
And practically speaking, how much difference do you guys see in BGs between TBC/Legion socket gear and heirloom gear given all enchants are equal? I'm still waiting for my subscription to expire and haven't really started optimizing my gear. I play an Outlaw rogue, and from inspecting some of the vets' gears, I'm seeing a difference of around -40 Agility, -3% haste, -12% versatility, which look massive. I'm not really trying to maximize damage - more towards a CC-oriented, trolling playstyle.
Last edited:
Mnemonic
Veteran
This is the standard reference. Use the lvl29 tab for in-battleground stats. Mastery is the same as crit.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...tSsTL7ZHdOcJfgfgCr8f4psp-NTBR7ZYOCYW/pubhtml#
Based on what you said (-40agi, etc) you're ~150 secondary stats behind. You can approximate a single secondary stat as a .2% increase in effectiveness. So you should be about 30% weaker than the twinks you're looking at.
Chops
Soccer Dad
Since this is an audit thread and not a theorycrafting thread, a good thing to do would be to post your armory and get some of the rather accomplished rogues on this forum to dissect it for you
southwurth
Member
Thanks for the helpful response, @Mnemonic. I'm heavily considering re-rolling a hunter now... Or a warrior assuming Crusader doesn't get fixed soon.
[doublepost=1640653238,1640653130][/doublepost]
Since this is an audit thread and not a theorycrafting thread, a good thing to do would be to post your armory and get some of the rather accomplished rogues on this forum to dissect it for you
Yea, I felt that it might be an inappropriate place to post that, but I didn't want to create a new thread at the same time. Regarding linking my armory, I'm too embarrassed, lol, because my gear is S-tier trash.
Yo, @Chops, this is a tangent, but any YouTube content coming soon? I enjoy watching your videos.
Chops
Soccer Dad
cant be worse than some of the stuff people have unironically submitted for inclusion in the Armory...
And I'm actually recording one tonight! Glad you enjoy them.
Gandara
Veteran
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/kelthuzad/franceschini
Almost done with my Enhancement Shaman. Any suggestions?
Btw I know that the helmet got a level req slapped onto it, I'll probably farm the 3 sockets one tomorrow or later in the week. I just abused it to help me clear stuff faster since I farmed some of the TBC pieces by myself.
Cloak is under way, gonna farm Freehold tomorrow. No luck with BFA rares
Almost done with my Enhancement Shaman. Any suggestions?
Btw I know that the helmet got a level req slapped onto it, I'll probably farm the 3 sockets one tomorrow or later in the week. I just abused it to help me clear stuff faster since I farmed some of the TBC pieces by myself.
Cloak is under way, gonna farm Freehold tomorrow. No luck with BFA rares
JadeFire
Worthless
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/kelthuzad/franceschini
Almost done with my Enhancement Shaman. Any suggestions?
Btw I know that the helmet got a level req slapped onto it, I'll probably farm the 3 sockets one tomorrow or later in the week. I just abused it to help me clear stuff faster since I farmed some of the TBC pieces by myself.
Cloak is under way, gonna farm Freehold tomorrow. No luck with BFA rares
Since you went non mastery, it looks pretty good. Thunder charge is meh, Enhance's damage is just not high enough to take advantage of the window... and counter strike totem can just melt people... I mean it is random, but you can just get lucky and nuke a hunter/warrior.
I would only use the Desolation 4 piece (legs) IF you are going with an all proc build... trinkets, dancing steele, etc... the whole agility proc bag... by themselves they are strictly worse than wyrmscale greaves.
I also have the most success with the plasma shield on the belt (its 750 in a BG so it lets you take some fat kids aimedshot/chaosbolt), and use thirdwind potions (the healing injector on the belt shares the same cooldown, so it's ass)... you just die in seconds as enhance and they do help.
And also just mentally prepare yourself for playing enhance... I swear it feels like enhance takes double damage.. and that is not a joke.
Last edited:
OP
OP
That'll do it
otherwise agree with everything you've said
My favorite past time is dropping a CS totem when an aimshot or chaos bolt is coming and start healing yourself because I learned far too late that it doesnt REFLECT damage, you still take the brunt of it which it tough.
JadeFire
Worthless
View attachment 20542
That'll do it
otherwise agree with everything you've said
My favorite past time is dropping a CS totem when an aimshot or chaos bolt is coming and start healing yourself because I learned far too late that it doesnt REFLECT damage, you still take the brunt of it which it tough.
I mean, i have a set with 33% verse using the tidefury junk.. its not much better because the bracket is not even AND your damage goes into the toilet with it. Mastery is the best, you are just hoping for heals and a game where there are not 10 other twinks. Having something like 10% IN BG verse is kind of pointless when aimed shot does 1800... you take 1620 instead... great.