20s "Audit" Thread

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  1. CigNus

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    Welcome EVERYONE to the 20s Audit Thread!

    What this thread is going to be:
    • Reviewing characters that are "ready" to be xferred to another account without a sub or if you're ready to move on to gearing another twink.
    • Constructive criticism.
    • Let people know what enchant/stat/gem they might be missing out on.
    • Honest suggestions of your playstyle "Hey I might think about running more of X stat because of Y"
    • Gems/Enchants/Consumables you might want to stock up on.
    • HEAVILY MODERATED.

    What this thread is not going to be:
    • "LOLOL YOURE USING X STAT AND DONT HAVE MAX ENGI FUCKING IDIOT"
    • "Wow you don't have sockets on every piece of gear, you're so bad."
    • Do NOT recommend GF'd items.

    How this thread is going to work:
    • Link your armory
    • Give context of what you're going to be doing (random bgs, wargames, arena, pve)
    • Also give context to certain things you're not worried about, IE socket rings/neck/cloak

    Here's an example post:

    Hey guys, here's my Disc Priest.
    I mainly plan to arena skirmish and wargame with him. I've played in quite a few wargame BGs with him and I felt like he was up to snuff but I'm always willing to hear someone out.

    I don't really care about socket rings/neck/cloak and I REALLY don't care about tert stats, mainly because they don't work in arenas or wargames anyways. (I realize I don't have my rings/neck enchanted and I plan to do that after posting this)

    I'm also thinking about picking up multiple https://www.wowhead.com/item=28278/incanters-cowl?bonus=6710?ilvl=25 with different meta gems depending on comps I'm facing in arena (10% stun/fear/silence resists)

    What do ya'll think?
     
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  2. Kaxle

    Kaxle OG

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    *Disclaimer this is coming from someone who hasn't done serious wargames or arena*

    This is a super small thing that almost definitely doesn't matter but I don't get the belt choice especially when paired with those gloves as they seem to be made from opposite perspectives.

    upload_2021-9-30_0-23-4.png
    7int/3haste/10vers compared to 9int/4crit/8vers
    If you consider crit a dead stat or you gave up on farming Mindfire then this choice checks out but otherwise im not so sure about it

    I brought up the gloves because you were faced with a similar choice in that slot and seemed to choose opposite
    upload_2021-9-30_0-28-44.png
    9int/8vers compared to 7int/5crit/8vers but the crit could be replaced with haste/mastery. The gloves in that example also could have even had a higher vers allotment to make up for the slight loss when opting for mindfire.

    Your gear

    StatGreen BeltBloody SurgeonGreen BootsTotal
    Int79723
    Vers108725
    Haste3058
    Crit0000
    Presented Alternative

    StatMindfireGreen Aurora GloveSlippersTotal
    Int97925
    Vers86923
    Haste0505
    Crit4004
    It just feels like an odd inconsistency or an attempt to balance primary/secondary weights that left some secondaries behind that you coulda had if you just put the ilvl28 in the other slot. If the gloves in my example had been aurora instead of quickblade then you would essentially just be trading 2 vers for 2 haste and 4 crit.

    Just noticed same thing coul

    I also get that ilvl 28s can't really be planned around when it comes to specific stat balances but this could be something to keep in mind while farming

    Edit: I threw the boots into the comparison tables as well since its the same deal and pretended my green hands were aurora instead of quickblade for presentation purposes as well
     
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  3. Goesid

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    Just gonna jump in to agree with Kaxle, the belt and boots is odd given the glove choice. Gholamcloth Wrap if blue or epic or Mindfire Belt if it stays green. The belt gives much more stats than the gloves and the boots give equal stats to the gloves.
     
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    CigNus

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    never knew about this belt. good alternative!

    Y'know you're right but I still appreciate that ya'll contributed to the thread and if it's THAT minuscule, I think I did a pretty good job :D
     
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    Hey, here's my Feral Druid: https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/moon-guard/soroarity
    I mainly want to play arena skirmishes and be flexible in BGs. Pretty decent damage and fun to play in BGs/arena but after bramble nerf, been thinking about switching things up slightly.

    The main things I need to replace are ring (probably going to spam BFA for a socketed ring and cloak) and also do some BFA quests to hope for a lucky roll / socketed weapon. I'd also be interested in flag carrying or going feral (show off that mage tower skin coming out in 9.1.5), but not sure how good Guardians are currently (in either arena or bgs).

    Let me know what you guys think!
     
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    bfa quests cant proc socket, dungeons and rares can though. You can also farm green ilvl 25s with a level 21-23 in the first 2 BfA zones. FCing requires alot of talasites and tbc gear because of the socket slots. Guardian is a pretty good spec with the damage from brambles but it requires alot of healing from your team.
     
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    CigNus

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    https://www.wowhead.com/item=27492/moonchild-leggings?bonus=6710&ilvl=25 I'd run these legs over what you're currently running, and I think for a weapon I'd go for https://www.wowhead.com/item=791/gnarled-ash-staff?bonus=6659?ilvl=27 or https://www.wowhead.com/item=9477/the-chiefs-enforcer?ilvl=25 are your best bets.

    I also remember that resto+talasites was better for FC than guardian? at least in my WG experience
     
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  8. Chops

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    really not a fan of the bracer enchant or boot enchant. Minor Speed for boots actually stacks with druid forms, your current enchant does not. As well, there are 4 agi wrist enchants out there. Gonna need a +5 stat cloak enchant too and dont forget your belt tinker of choice.

    Also, kinda weird that you have a few oddball haste items/enchants here and there unless you were just going for an exact number (i see its 10%) to smooth out a rotation. Im unsure how feral prioritizes in that regard but it struck me as a little weird.

    Overall looks pretty good though. Obviously if you're looking to FC, just cram as many talasites in your gear as possible but play resto instead of guardian.
     
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    Yes, dont go guardian for FC, I didnt really read the post like that so if thats what you were asking Ill concur with the boys above, resto is much much better for that a guardian would be purely as a decoy and distraction in bgs but with some good numbers to show for it and I forgot to answer in my post that I dont see Guardian being very viable in arenas either.
     
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    Adding to what has already been said, you'll get the best performance from Claws of Ursoc as a weapon, since it allows you to get an offhand weapon enchant, either Elemental Force or +Agi.

    For feral, you NEED your mainhand enchant to be +Weapon Damage. Either Superior Striking or Major Striking.

    And I'll add another voice to Chops' boot enchant critique. As Druid you want Minor Speed.

    Here's my resto for reference on a FC, I switch to full Talasites at 6 stacks: https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/thunderlord/mnemoni
     
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    TY everyone for the feedback.

    Yea I think I'm gonna get gnarled staff. RE: 10% haste, honestly my sub was running out and i wanted to slap some socketed green gear in before it. 10% haste does play pretty well though but it wasn't intentional. I'll need to finish enchanting too (got some in my stash but waiting for the 'right' pieces to drop now)

    I have moonchild leggings in my stash but thought the leech may have been worth? I think the stats are pretty similar but trading more secondary for tertiary

    I don't think I have enough talasites, gotta check though but could slap some stuff in. Also is 1h + offhand the move now for Feral weapons?

    Is Feral druid versatile and good in arena or are they a meme? Would actually be super interested in a tier list (if that even exists) Arena is probably going to be my main
     
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    Moonchild is 3 sockets vs 1 so you lose 4-6 agi depending on gems using other pants.
     
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    Be gentle

    Frost:
    https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/kelthuzad/Kaxle

    Unholy set is below, all greens are Feverflare and all but two of them are mastery heavy
    upload_2021-9-30_19-35-19.png

    -I have Crusader scrolls in my bags just need to decide which weapons I want to use post ilvl49 nerf. Have 2 for DW then 2 for 2H
    -Already have a ilvl28 Feverflare socket cape ready for unholy the next time I resub
    -Have ilvl28 harm (socketless) and feverflare (socket) necks for when I can't use the ilvl44s
    -Have a glove enchant for the Unholy just haven't applied it yet because reasons
    -Remaining socketed rings and neck will happen when it happens
    -speed/leech is also a itll happen when it happens type deal
     
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    CigNus

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    I like the frost set except I would probably just go +3 str instead of 2str/2stam

    I guess I don't know enough about unholy to give a good opinion here but wouldn't you prefer aurora? I'm not sure how gud mastery is on UH but I usually prefer higher verse builds because pvp.

    As far as weapons, why not https://www.wowhead.com/item=27986/crow-wing-reaper?bonus=6710&ilvl=25

    What do you plan on doing with the DK? just random bgs?
     
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    Theres no point using 2 str 2 stam really, talasites and 3 str are gonna give the same stats but you get armor too.
     
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    People seem to forget this yeah.
    Yeah for every third gem you go a talasite. And you basically get free armor.
     
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    damn, its like looking in a mirror lol I like the choice to go more haste. probably makes the gear a bit more viable with other specs as well (I know nothing of holy but I'm sure haste helps with dots for shadow)
    These things are going to be nitpicky but here it goes:
    Shoulder enchant (personal pref)
    aurora cloak (because resil)
    maybe a Nightmare tear?
    but I mean shit, overall I like it. Even farmed out the socketed vessel very :POGGERS: my guy
     
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