EU+US Why Twinking has become better in Legion. Asking about the attitude problem.

[Bakedaflol]

How is that a good thing? Every other moron with elwynn forest leveling gear now has the exactly same stats as everyone else in bgs, with zero effort. If you put tons of gold and hours and hours in farming better gear you should have the advantage.
It also prevents you to have unique item sets. The worst trucking change blizzard has ever done to this game.

I agree. But I do believe the item level system is the way to go.. I just feel like it could take tuning rather than scrapping, Thats all.

 

[Allybeboba]

The items that lowbies gain access to are simply trickle down.

As for how established people are reacting when new people are introduced. This is a time tested experiment. You will always have a few that aren't secure in their spot in the herd that will feel threatened when new people are introduced.
Humans by nature don't like change. Some people dislike change more than others. Some are unable to adapt to change. By introducing change to a system it can weed out those people that are unable to adapt.

In this day and age there are lots of people that are just plain nasty and mean because of the anonymity of the internet. Unfortunately, this nastiness seems to spilling out to their real life as well. Some people are actually projecting some of these nasty internet attitudes into their everyday lives.

/cheers

 

[ohti]

Not even gonna answer that.. lol

That wasn't a question.

 

[Blackberryy]

The toxicity is sad yes. But instances pvp is nowhere close to balenced. At least with gear you could enchant the way you wanted to change the play style of a class that may not have been the best. Now if you don't play a certain class or spec in any bracket you might as well reroll. Over all good post though!

 

[Livingforce]

It's not even the xpacs, it's just how twinking has been heading to since cata came out every xpac its slowly died on the competitive scene.

In terms of pugs and shit sure, you can still play that but I mean that can only be so much fun right?

Twinking will never die, but the competitive scene is as big as a candle light at this point. Trust me, I seen it all from Vinilla to now.

I hope new blood creates new guild v guild rivalrys in the future and prove me wrong.

Twinking4life

 

[Hashbrowns]

I agree. But I do believe the item level system is the way to go.. I just feel like it could take tuning rather than scrapping, Thats all.

I really don't think stats where ever an issue. It's FoTM always has been and is now. Yea chants on weapons were bad for a bit, but it wasn't impossible. 6K guard BM monks were broken, that's an ability issue. Blizzard needs to do a per bracket stat scaling. Not a everyone gets the same amount. They should be playing each bracket and tuning things back that need to be. No one needs to Throw Axes for 2k damage.

 

[Activate]

Other than fire, mage is just fine.

 

[Aspróósz]

he BG group merge with spanish servers isn't anything to praise either, english realms facing off against non-english always ends in a 3-0 win to the english ones

I don't agree with you. Speaking a different language doesn't automatically make you a better player. There are many english-speaking twinks that suck even when they are premading, just as there are many people from spanish speaking realms that are way more skilled than them.

 

[Leek]

Thing I don't like about ipvp is that you can't build your character to suit a certain situation anymore like str stack or stam stack

 

[Hashbrowns]

I don't agree with you. Speaking a different language doesn't automatically make you a better player. There are many english-speaking twinks that suck even when they are premading, just as there are many people from spanish speaking realms that are way more skilled than them.

I will say combining 2 groups of people that speak different languages in a game built on communication is a pretty horrible idea.

 

[Flaxy]

Like others said, twinking hasn't been about balance. Two fully geared teams could just mow eachother down but thats what made it so fun - You had to position correctly and have good awareness or you'll just get rolled over. It really showed who know what they were doing and who didnt. Shit like first aid was even a big deal. You used everything you could to win. But now you can't even use professions, enchants, ect in bgs.

You could build your character to be able to withstand the burst coming or be a glass cannon. I have about 6 different sets on my boomy just from awhile back and again, thats one of the things that made it fun. But now I can go into a bg in greens and be just as strong as someone whos fully gfd/spent a lot of time on their char/ect.

Twinking has never got better with any xpac.


It's honestly depressing as hell that twinking went this way as It was the most fun I've ever had on WoW.
I still see some OGs around and its always nice seeing that they're still at least trying to enjoy the bracket.


Of course im talking about 19s, but this usually applies to most brackets




@LuckystrikedWoW

 

[Aspróósz]

I will say combining 2 groups of people that speak different languages in a game built on communication is a pretty horrible idea.

If all know what means GY, EFC, etc... I think that there are no problem, couldbe a problem if is a wargame or something important.

 

[Fry]

I will say combining 2 groups of people that speak different languages in a game built on communication is a pretty horrible idea.

Sadly, that's simply Blizzard's fault. But I will say that there are lots of spanish-speaking twinks that speak both, english and spanish, or at least understand english just enough to be able to do bgs with everyone else, as they understand basic comands like "pass flag" "efc gy" and so on; which is just about what you need to understand in PUGs. It's not perfect, but it is possible.
And those "strategies" / commands, aren't linked to the understanding of their class/spec.
While it is true that in the past having people from latin-american or brazilian realms meant you could potentially lose, this has changed and hasn't been norm for some time now. There's good and bad people everywhere, so generalizing that english = good player and spanish = bad player is simply wrong.

 

[Flaxy]

Sadly, that's simply Blizzard's fault. But I will say that there are lots of spanish-speaking twinks that speak both, english and spanish, or at least understand english just enough to be able to do bgs with everyone else, as they understand basic comands like "pass flag" "efc gy" and so on; which is just about what you need to understand in PUGs. It's not perfect, but it is possible.
And those "strategies" / commands, aren't linked to the understanding of their class/spec.
While it is true that in the past having people from latin-american or brazilian realms meant you could potentially lose, this has changed and hasn't been norm for some time now. There's good and bad people everywhere, so generalizing that english = good player and spanish = bad player is simply wrong.

your sig is good for this topic

 

[Fry]

your sig is good for this topic

my sig was made on request, by a friend, in a sarcastic way. If anyone should be offended by it, should be myself

 

[Flaxy]

my sig was made on request, by a friend, in a sarcastic way. If anyone should be offended by it, should be myself

Why's anyone gotta be offended?

 

[Dragpz]

I thought about making a post like this, except for the exact opposite reason.

It's weird, I agree things should be good. Scaling, no chants, everything should play very balanced. But it's not, it's horrid PvP, it just is. I'd rather have WoD back tbh and the 29 monks. At least a coordinated team could still beat that.

I think a big problem is the combination of xpon and xpoff. They really honestly have no idea what to do. They just sit at roads and fight. In WoD I at least knew I'd get a good match everytime. That people elected to stop at this bracket which generally came with some basic understanding of the games.

CC is pretty gutted. Some classes do OK still. Rogue is strong. Mage is just horrid, don't even get me started. There isn't a lot of point to CC. Most classes can just eat the 6 secs. The usual support classes do almost no damage so it's actually an overall lose to the team to role it. You'd be better off rolling a surv hunt and downing a healer then trying to get cute with a poly. I understand they have their moments but by in large damage > all.

Fine I'll do it, wtf frost mage, like seriously. You ruined this class. Every minute I do stupid damage and then nothing until it's off CD again. There's no control, no silence, no movement. Flurry is a waste of a GCD. I've played it for probably 5 years, daily through the 29 monks and hunts. I know it's never been FoTM but at least you could still impact games.

So yea, I'd take WoD over this. 0 ability to change your character,. Your naked counterpart has the exact same health as you and maybe 1% less stats. Not a lot of reason to work on your character and devote the time to it.

This sort of resembles my opinion on twinking, though i'd argues rogues are the weakest melee atm. Twinking in WoD just felt so much more impactful and most classes had some redeeming factor to them. Now survs are just the meta and playing anything else is just asking to get dunked on by a surv.

As for toxicity, as long as you are playing an MMO, there will be toxicity. The best community I've encountered so far in MMOs is probably GW2, the worst, LoL. And there were still salty ass elitists in GW2.

 

[Shaket]

In this day and age there are lots of people that are just plain nasty and mean because of the anonymity of the internet. Unfortunately, this nastiness seems to spilling out to their real life as well. Some people are actually projecting some of these nasty internet attitudes into their everyday lives.

/cheers

and this is how you got Trumped

 

[Lluyd]

I dont know if "better" is the word I would use, there is definitely still a large potential for twinking to be good in Legion tho.

 

[Dramatized]

i would like to add that i hate these big health pools combined w unlimited mana and powerful heals. sure health pools were big in the early xpacs as well but you still had to watch your mana carefully making games pretty pretty pretty interesting. (correct me if im wrong only played a few games last week.)