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Re: whats better sub or combat? and should I use x2 shadowfang or shadowfang MH and b
God, absolutely nobody has a single clue about BiS or theorycrafting these days.. you need to prove your points to claim one thing is better than another. its 5:30am here but i'll break it down for you.
You either dual wield fangs or dual wield heirloom swords, each is better in different situations but that is all a matter of ones preference so i will give you guys some cold hard numbers.
Shadowfang has 0.38 more DPS than the heirloom sword. Shadowfang has 2 more agility than the heirloom sword. Shadowfang as a proc for 30 damage that isn't really worth factoring as its an RNG stat, and in consistant math you can't add variables like procs into it. Atleast this early on in calculation and seeing as this is just an overall summary i will not be delving into that.
Heirloom sword has 4 more stamina, 3 more crit than shadowfang.
Dual wielding either weapon in each hand goes as follows: 6 Crit rating (2.16% crit), 8 Stamina (152 HP) VS 4 Agility (4 Attack Power), 0.38 DPS (main hand as that is what matters, cba to calculate the not even noticable 0.12 DPS off the offhand) and ofcourse the shadow bolt procs.
In a normal PvP situation, a rogue will not have longer than 5-8 seconds on a target before either the rogue is peeled by snares / CC or the rogue has to play defensive as he/she is dying. DPS is a factor that can only be calculated effectively with 100% uptime (Time on Target), which in this situation counter factors the shadowfangs 0.38% DPS increase over the heirlooms. In this situation what matters is window of burst opportunity (which is anywhere between 2-5 seconds) and this duration of time is a very normal amount of uptime for a rogue to have in a usual PvP situation and in this situation burst is more important than overall DPS. the 2% crit chance helps yes, but with the amount of crit chance that rogues have is 2% really gonna consistantly be the gamebreaking stat?
The one and the ONLY reason that heirlooms are considered BiS over shadowfangs is for the 152 HP increase as the stat priority for a rogue is Stamina=Crit > Agility/AP > Haste. This basically means that statistically for an all around fight, especially with a healer that the heirlooms are more noob friendly as less experienced players tend to rely more on a higher health pool than a skilled player, but then again a high HP rogue in the hands of a skilled player can in some cases be more devastating than a higher AP less HP rogue in the same players hands.
Also one more thing, after doing hours of recount testing i have PROVEN that Shadowfang's average Hemo, Sinister Strike, Eviscerate AND Ambush consistantly do more damage than that of the heirloom weapon. Not by much, but over a long period of time it will make a difference.
If you guys are looking for an old owls wisdom, my advice would be that in a short game the heirloom swords are superior, but in a game that can last longer than a minute the shadowfangs will come out on top.
I hope this clears things up for people, i will more than likely not ever look at this thread again so if you wanna talk or reply to me you're gonna need to quote me.
God, absolutely nobody has a single clue about BiS or theorycrafting these days.. you need to prove your points to claim one thing is better than another. its 5:30am here but i'll break it down for you.
You either dual wield fangs or dual wield heirloom swords, each is better in different situations but that is all a matter of ones preference so i will give you guys some cold hard numbers.
Shadowfang has 0.38 more DPS than the heirloom sword. Shadowfang has 2 more agility than the heirloom sword. Shadowfang as a proc for 30 damage that isn't really worth factoring as its an RNG stat, and in consistant math you can't add variables like procs into it. Atleast this early on in calculation and seeing as this is just an overall summary i will not be delving into that.
Heirloom sword has 4 more stamina, 3 more crit than shadowfang.
Dual wielding either weapon in each hand goes as follows: 6 Crit rating (2.16% crit), 8 Stamina (152 HP) VS 4 Agility (4 Attack Power), 0.38 DPS (main hand as that is what matters, cba to calculate the not even noticable 0.12 DPS off the offhand) and ofcourse the shadow bolt procs.
In a normal PvP situation, a rogue will not have longer than 5-8 seconds on a target before either the rogue is peeled by snares / CC or the rogue has to play defensive as he/she is dying. DPS is a factor that can only be calculated effectively with 100% uptime (Time on Target), which in this situation counter factors the shadowfangs 0.38% DPS increase over the heirlooms. In this situation what matters is window of burst opportunity (which is anywhere between 2-5 seconds) and this duration of time is a very normal amount of uptime for a rogue to have in a usual PvP situation and in this situation burst is more important than overall DPS. the 2% crit chance helps yes, but with the amount of crit chance that rogues have is 2% really gonna consistantly be the gamebreaking stat?
The one and the ONLY reason that heirlooms are considered BiS over shadowfangs is for the 152 HP increase as the stat priority for a rogue is Stamina=Crit > Agility/AP > Haste. This basically means that statistically for an all around fight, especially with a healer that the heirlooms are more noob friendly as less experienced players tend to rely more on a higher health pool than a skilled player, but then again a high HP rogue in the hands of a skilled player can in some cases be more devastating than a higher AP less HP rogue in the same players hands.
Also one more thing, after doing hours of recount testing i have PROVEN that Shadowfang's average Hemo, Sinister Strike, Eviscerate AND Ambush consistantly do more damage than that of the heirloom weapon. Not by much, but over a long period of time it will make a difference.
If you guys are looking for an old owls wisdom, my advice would be that in a short game the heirloom swords are superior, but in a game that can last longer than a minute the shadowfangs will come out on top.
I hope this clears things up for people, i will more than likely not ever look at this thread again so if you wanna talk or reply to me you're gonna need to quote me.
