We could do more

I'd be willing to put time into organization of events, Activate.

PM me if you want to talk about any plans you may have. I'd need a good supporting cast, though. It's a ton of work and stress getting everything together, especially if you don't have background workers making sure everything goes quickly and successfully.
 
Chantale said:
The problem is that many of the big Aerie Peak players either quit or moved off to another realm since they were hipsters that wanted to escape the Aerie Peak stigma.

After the failure of the trial communities on Korgath, Vashjir, Sentinels, Ursin and Moon Guard, the overall trial community is far too spread out as it used to be back in 2012 (AKA the Aerie Peak golden days). Im not saying that players from those realms are bad, its just that the community is lacking compared to what we have on Aerie Peak. You might get 4-5 people on at the same time on good days, leaving you completely isolated from all the fun.

The reason why I still think BWL is still a good pop realm is because they have active and a very talented community that both frighten me in the gulch and still provide deadly premades.

If we would be living in a utopian world, all new trials would be created on Aerie Peaks, so we could live happily ever after once again.

TBH, I really despise the twinks who merged off AP just because they didnt want to be "mainstream" since Mama told them that they're unique like a snowflake.

What was so wrong about AP that your new realm doesnt have?
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The continuing success and longevity of BWL can be attributed to the leadership of many people, and having standards. Some of us have been active at different times over the years, due to school, work whatever. But Bendandcough set the tone that BWL would be for non-douchbags, with a sense of humor. Even when he had "give up wow" for a skateboard—and even when half of everyone self-exiled themselves in a non-crz, Alliance roleplaying experiment—there were still plenty of like minded people there to keep the faith, and take the reigns.

Even while I'm saying this, I'm not really playing BWL because I got too much going on, but I'll come back, hoping they'll still be there.

I think a lot of the failures of boutique realms has stemmed from the fact that they were founded because people didn't want to be on AP, a negative, reactionary response. BWL has survived because the people that came there, wanted to be on BWL. I myself never intended to leave AP, I just got really exited that Bend was recruiting underpowered specs, and that I could make a female, belf ret named Udders (no one would suspect Udders).

I would suggest not starting more boutique realms because,you don't like AP or BWL or whatever. Find an established community and try to build it up. Sometimes you can't rely on other people to do what you want for you; if you wan't something done, sometimes it's just easier to do it yourself.
 
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Chantale said:
The problem is that many of the big Aerie Peak players either quit or moved off to another realm since they were hipsters that wanted to escape the Aerie Peak stigma.

After the failure of the trial communities on Korgath, Vashjir, Sentinels, Ursin and Moon Guard, the overall trial community is far too spread out as it used to be back in 2012 (AKA the Aerie Peak golden days). Im not saying that players from those realms are bad, its just that the community is lacking compared to what we have on Aerie Peak. You might get 4-5 people on at the same time on good days, leaving you completely isolated from all the fun.

The reason why I still think BWL is still a good pop realm is because they have active and a very talented community that both frighten me in the gulch and still provide deadly premades.

If we would be living in a utopian world, all new trials would be created on Aerie Peaks, so we could live happily ever after once again.

TBH, I really despise the twinks who merged off AP just because they didnt want to be "mainstream" since Mama told them that they're unique like a snowflake.

What was so wrong about AP that your new realm doesnt have?
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Im going to finally address this because this is a criticism that I get levied at me a lot since I had a hand in a lot of these realms you're listing / "left AP" or whatever people like to say.

1. Most of those realms didn't fail. Ursin is a friends only realm with a bunch of ex-19s. It still exists, it's just that only 2-3 of us play F2P, and the rest are gonna play 19s and 29s whenever they are popular. Ursinites play F2P when all else sucks - it's not an "F2P realm". [MENTION=9577]Revlo[/MENTION], is the only true "F2P" on Ursin and he's OG as hell. Korgath, likewise, didn't really fail. We all quit about the same time because you can only play the same 15 or so people so long before you know each other too well. I got the point where I could shadowmeld just about anything (and even our less capable players were performing some pretty incredible plays) because I knew everyone I played with too well. If anything, it just proves what [MENTION=12134]Rollop[/MENTION] was saying which is most of the F2P community is not actually looking for a challenge but rather a challenge they can guarantee that they can win.

2. I left AP because it sucked, still sucks and will continue to suck. When I first joined AP I was one of the biggest proponents. I can say with complete confidence that a solid 70-100 people came to AP because of me. I spammed every BG chat, I spammed leveling BG chats, I spammed general and trade chat, I went to EVERY realm, yes EVERY FUCKING REALM, and /who 20 and whispered every 20 about the addon and AP. I loved AP. I mean I would spend my days flying around on my 85 farming chests for OTHER people because that's how good the community was. Now? Now it's a bunch of awful players and low lives that only seek to serve themselves. People shit on Felix while he offers FREE AMAZING THINGS to all the AP F2Ps. People say things that are blatantly wrong and then have the nerve to fight about it as if they are right. AP is a relic of the past and the only reason ANYONE DEFENDS AP as a major realm is because they have characters they like there and don't want to reroll There's a reason none of the "All-Stars" from AP are EVER the ones defending AP. And seriously, you really don't find it weird that almost ALL the good players quit or left? Seriously? Yeah, it's clearly the good players who were crazy for leaving...

3) The reason BWL is an active realm is because Bend kicked all the retards 24/7. That's literally the only reason. Even over the summer when it was just me and Hindu on that was a million times better than AP on my BiS swagged out as fuck characters. Here's a fun experiment - log on AP and sit in chat for 10 minutes and then SS the stupidest thing you see. Do the same for BWL. Do it again a hundred times. Then have fun rerolling your next character on a different realm than AP.
 
Upswag said:
If anything, it just proves what Rollop was saying which is most of the F2P community is not actually looking for a challenge but rather a challenge they can guarantee that they can win.
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I think it's important that people should distinguish, when saying the above, whether they're talking about the larger F2P community, including all the jajas, in which case I would say this is an accurate statement, or whether they're talking about the TwinkInfo F2P community, in which case I would say that it is not. We can't do anything about the vast majority of F2P players. But what we're doing here, is trying to organize the TI F2P players, so statements that only apply to the larger F2P community aren't really relevant.

There's a reason none of the "All-Stars" from AP are EVER the ones defending AP.
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Excuse me. But have we been reading the same thread?

The reason BWL is an active realm is because Bend kicked all the retards 24/7. That's literally the only reason. Even over the summer when it was just me and Hindu on that was a million times better than AP on my BiS swagged out as fuck characters. Here's a fun experiment - log on AP and sit in chat for 10 minutes and then SS the stupidest thing you see. Do the same for BWL. Do it again a hundred times. Then have fun rerolling your next character on a different realm than AP.
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Man, you really don't like AP. But what Bend did for the BWL community, someone could just as easily do for the AP community. The problem is that people (who are not Bend) take such a passive stance towards their communities. Someone else has to fix this problem for me! No, we are all responsible for maintaining our own spaces. Saying nothing to those people you mentioned above, who say stupid things or whatever, is tacit approval of that behavior. You yourself are stating the solution right here. If someone want a community like BWL's, then someone MUST take the kinds of actions that Bend took on BWL.

Look at this thread. See how many old school Aerie Peak veterans are saying they want to take the old realm back. What Bend alone did for one realm, a team of dedicated people can certainly do for any other realm. Why Aerie Peak in particular? A lot of us have a love for that server. If I were motivated strictly by which server I had the most BIS characters on, I would be inviting people to come to Vashj. But for many of us, Aerie Peak is "home" even if we haven't played there in a while. Saying that it will continue to suck is just a passive, defeatist attitude. Eventually everyone learns that anything worth having in the world is worth working for.

And if someone doesn't want to work for it, that's fine... just don't stand in the way, and don't hurl rocks at the people who are actually trying to accomplish something.
 
Upswag said:
2. I left AP because it sucked, still sucks and will continue to suck.
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Sez u

When I first joined AP I was one of the biggest proponents. I can say with complete confidence that a solid 70-100 people came to AP because of me. I spammed every BG chat, I spammed leveling BG chats, I spammed general and trade chat, I went to EVERY realm, yes EVERY FUCKING REALM, and /who 20 and whispered every 20 about the addon and AP. I loved AP.
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So you just invited everyone to come along, without having any standards at all...

I mean I would spend my days flying around on my 85 farming chests for OTHER people because that's how good the community was.
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And handed out candy to all those kids without them having to do anything to earn it...

Now? Now it's a bunch of awful players and low lives that only seek to serve themselves.
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And you think somehow you're not at least partly responsible for this mess.


People shit on Felix while he offers FREE AMAZING THINGS to all the AP F2Ps.
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No, that bunch of awful players and low lives that only seek to serve themselves shit on Felix because he's more than happy to use the banhammer in response to acts of stupid, and restricts his help to those who deserve it.

People say things that are blatantly wrong and then have the nerve to fight about it as if they are right.
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Yeah, well Felix doesn't always have channel mod, and those who do have it don't always make use of it, same as can happen on any other realm.

AP is a relic of the past and the only reason ANYONE DEFENDS AP as a major realm is because they have characters they like there and don't want to reroll
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No, it's defended because it has far more potential than any other realm, due to the fact it has more players, regardless of their quality (they just need to be taught to behave), and also has a lot of unplayed characters that people could come back to, if only the existing community there would put the work in to clean things up, unlike all those too apathetic to say anything when people started acting up, and instead just fucked off to other realms

There's a reason none of the "All-Stars" from AP are EVER the ones defending AP. And seriously, you really don't find it weird that almost ALL the good players quit or left? Seriously? Yeah, it's clearly the good players who were crazy for leaving...
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We don't need any 'good players'. At least by my definition we haven't lost any, just those too self centered to build a community, either being too apathetic to call people out on their bullshit, or too elitist to help less skilled players improve. All the people who do want to build a good solid community are still here.

Aerie Peak may not have the best players of the game, but it's always had more players who are motivated to build something from the ground up, instead of just cherry picking the 'all-stars' from an existing community, and fucking off to play somewhere else.
 
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im back playing wow f2p since a long time and ive been on for a few hours this week and wargmaes were happening on horde side of AP, still very active, also myself organized some premades on ally side , i think ap can be very active if the people interested put up the work,

sorry for the grammar, and will be playing on ap ally side my chars name frostrole, can hit me up for any kind of pvp activities
 
Upswag said:
I left AP because it sucked, still sucks and will continue to suck. When I first joined AP I was one of the biggest proponents. I can say with complete confidence that a solid 70-100 people came to AP because of me. I spammed every BG chat, I spammed leveling BG chats, I spammed general and trade chat, I went to EVERY realm, yes EVERY FUCKING REALM, and /who 20 and whispered every 20 about the addon and AP. I loved AP. I mean I would spend my days flying around on my 85 farming chests for OTHER people because that's how good the community was. Now? Now it's a bunch of awful players and low lives that only seek to serve themselves. People shit on Felix while he offers FREE AMAZING THINGS to all the AP F2Ps. People say things that are blatantly wrong and then have the nerve to fight about it as if they are right. AP is a relic of the past and the only reason ANYONE DEFENDS AP as a major realm is because they have characters they like there and don't want to reroll There's a reason none of the "All-Stars" from AP are EVER the ones defending AP. And seriously, you really don't find it weird that almost ALL the good players quit or left? Seriously? Yeah, it's clearly the good players who were crazy for leaving...
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Once upon a time I was noob to AP just like the "awful low lives" you're talking about. I wasn't known, my gear was in bad shape and that made me nobody. Now how realistic would it have been to expect me to respect the "established" members? Elitism is negative reinforcement, whereas positive reinforcement would have accelerated my progression tenfold. This pattern plays out week after week month after month. This phenomenon, where a player attains "All Star" status and is suddenly too good for everyone else KILLS the progress of the community as a whole. AP is our foundation. Jumping ship and blaming AP is akin to pasteurizing orange juice and expecting it to remain as nutritious.

I defend AP for the sake of logistics. The community is not big enough to split by server AND sustain anything more than pugmades. If we're going to see consistent Wargame Arenas, Wargame Premades and large scale PvP, we're going to have to come to terms with that dose of reality. How many times have people complained about P2P imbalance? Wargames are the answer. If we sit back and expect to be spoon fed we're all going to stay hungry.

AP is the largest community receiving a constant influx of new members. The majority of them need guidance. If we provide an efficient environment, proper tools and proper resources I have no doubt we will receieve a tremendous return. This community benefits from a wellspring of potential every single day. Regarding this strength as a weakness is an enormous mistake.

Time efficiency is the backbone of the solution I've worked out. You want to log in and get straight to the fun right? Help me lay the groundwork, lend your support and we will take this to a level never seen before.
 
A realm is a realm.

They arent titled
"Hey, anyone with over inflated egos, come here"
"If you are a dick sucking jerk, come here"
"If you are the facerollers of the bracket, come here"

ey-you-know.jpg

Most of you bash servers you never even role on. End the feud and just realize that people are on a server to have a good time and/or just so happen to be on it. I've met many good people from all over the globe. A server-name is just a label.
 
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Allybeboba said:
Not quite sure where you are getting your 5 min queue time facts from, but we had longer than five min queue times in the MIDDLE of Mists. Much less during the transition period.
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You are fking retarded qs were nearly instant in the middle of MOP unless your eu or something
 
Roboartist said:
A realm is a realm.

They arent titled
"Hey, anyone with over inflated egos, come here"
"If you are a dick sucking jerk, come here"
"If you are the facerollers of the bracket, come here"

ey-you-know.jpg

Most of you bash servers you never even role on. End the feud and just realize that people are on a server to have a good time and/or just so happen to be on it. I've met many good people from all over the globe. A server-name is just a label.
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Except for moonguard
come for the f2rp, stay for the premades
xD
 
so back on topic to the thread here Lankypuss if u can prove to me that f2ps can 10v10 wargame premade ill start up The Goon Squad again.
 
Neon said:
You are fking retarded qs were nearly instant in the middle of MOP unless your eu or something
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Such language and hatred, youngling is not necessary. You should try Zen meditation. It may help that blood pressure a bit.
Aum.... Aum.....
May I suggest you look at some of the threads from the Alliance side complaining about long queue times.
 
Allybeboba said:
Such language and hatred, youngling is not necessary. You should try Zen meditation. It may help that blood pressure a bit.
Aum.... Aum.....
May I suggest you look at some of the threads from the Alliance side complaining about long queue times.
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everything you say is invalid
 
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