Trump Vs. Clinton, who will win?

Who you got?

  • Trump

    Votes: 29 51.8%

  • Clinton

    Votes: 9 16.1%

  • Neither

    Votes: 18 32.1%
  • Total voters
    56
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Solipsist said:
I don't mean they are fully responsible but they do take large account. Single mothers raise the vast majority of rapists and criminals behind bars. Women today also demonize male sexuality instead of acknowledging the large urge and need men have for sex. Why do you think men jack off 3 times a day? Why do men go to strip clubs? The male sex drive is far higher then the female sex drive. This has to do with visual stimulation. Why do you think women nearly half naked selling products do so well? Businessmen understand the urge from the male sex drive and take advantage of it. Women do bait and manipulate with their bodies and then shame men for a natural urge. Women wearing sexually provocative clothing do entice men. Men need to have their sexual needs met and when we live in a ''look and don't touch culture'' it creates a whole host of problems. Women should be held accountable for what they wear.

I mean look at the difference in male and female sexuality:
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I don't they fully responsible but large account. Single mothers raise rapists criminals behind bars. Women demonize male sexuality instead of large urge and need men have. Why jack 3 times a day? Why do strip clubs? male sex higher the female sex. This visual stimulation.

Why you think women nearly half naked selling products so well? Businessmen.understand the urge the male and take advantage

Women do bait and manipulate bodies and then shame natural urge. Women sexually provocative do entice men. Men need their needs and when we ''look and don't touch culture'' it problems. Women held accountable what they wear.

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"Obviously you lack a brain but the left just says words like ''sexist'' or ''racist'' to shut down the conversation."

Alright, so claiming an opponent in a debate that they lack a brain is not a way of dismissing their point(s).

"I am open to debate and EXPLAIN when I use terms like ''fággot'' or ''cuck'' which you didn't even read. I don't use these terms for no reason. Go back and read my reply to Ally."

I did, in fact, read your response. All you did was explain how you define these terms. You define a coward as "Someone who refuses to debate and censors through demonizing and censoring". So a coward censors through censoring. Glad you took the time to clarify that. You define a Mangina/Cuck/Fäggot as "an Emsucalted man who can't stand behind what he says, very passive and who uses emotion instead of reason for their arguments". Your posts in this thread are seething with emotion and you, yourself, seem to be ruled by them. For example, you realized while working at an abortion clinic that you found the practice to be disgusting and that is what led you to believe the practice is morally wrong. If you practiced what you preach, you would have used logic and reason to come to that decision and not an emotion/feeling like the disgust you described. You then continued by stating that you use these terms because "I can't be assed saying the whole sentence hence why I just use the one word"; but you seem to have no problem writing a wall of text while using them anyways.

"Women are not held accountable to the same degree that men are. That is not misogyny, that is a fact. I spew out the truth which is often offensive to others."

This may be a good spot for a citation, example or something to prove your point. How are women not held accountable to the same degree as men? Are there laws you can point to that demonstrate that men and women are treated differently by the judicial system for committing the same offense? Currently, the vast majority of law makers, police officers and politicians are overwhelmingly male across the world; so I'm not sure how you come to the conclusion that women are somehow able to receive preferential treatment or evade the same consequences a male faces for the same crime. Your argument for women essentially asking to be raped because of their wardrobe is sexist to both males and females. The fact that you claim men are not able to control themselves just because they see an attractive and seductively dressed woman only demonstrates how weak you actually think men are. Believe it or not, there will be many times in your life that you will get urges that you cannot act on; whether it's punching a loud mouth moron or groping a stranger's body. Grow up, boy.


"Jesus Christ. You have no idea how women work lol. For some reason women are attracted to angry asshole misogynist men like me.
You are probably a virgin theorizing on what women want. I have actual experience with women and know what they do and do not respond to. I am the asshole ''bad boy'' they will fúck not a nice passive white knight like you. Stick to porn m8."

I don't even really want to bother with this last excerpt since it is just petty and I feel absolutely no need to detail my love life to the likes of you. Yes, there are women out there who for some reason (i.e., daddy issues, masochism) like assholes. So I guess you're in luck! Have fun with your weak-minded submissive females. I'll take women who are strong, independent and challenging.

Oh, Agonist. You bad boy!

 
It seems like this thread has just turned into women-bashing, regarding the way we dress or actions we take, or even for being submissive.

There is a social movement going on right now that is encouraging women to stop shaming each other, in regards to appearance, parenting style, etc. So if women can try to stop shaming each other, hopefully men can try to stop shaming women as well.

It's easy to say something is wrong, until it's you in a situation, and then maybe you realize things aren't so black and white. You don't know what's going on in another person's life, or things that have happened to them to lead them to the point where they are now. So I think we need to try to stop judging others and instead try to be more compassionate.

But on topic, I hope Hilary wins. Not because she's a woman, but because Trump seems to spread hate.
 
Allybeboba said:
Facts and statistics! That is what I like to see. Much of which we do not see on this forum. As you stated, most of the time it is rhetoric and name calling. When called out people continue with their name calling because they have no answers. That is why I am the "most hated". I call people out.

Now to address the stats you presented.
If 63% it was their first, this means that 37% have had more than one. This could shore up a person's debate point that females do use abortion as a form of birth control.

The 55% fact... This leaves 45%(nearly half mind you) that get them in what is quite near or in what is the second trimester. Not a very valid debate point for "Pro-choicers" if someone were to ask me.

Without actually knowing the overall trends in New Zealand it is quite difficult to conclude why 2013 had an uptick in abortions or why 2014 and 2015 have been trending down. It would deserve further study to have an educated hypothesis.

Enjoy the weekend everyone!!
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you seem to be dancing around making a point without actually committing. as you noted it's difficult to talk about trends in NZ without knowing the country intimately.

the trends in the US are much different, according to the cited cdc link.

"The majority of abortions in 2012 took place early in gestation: 91.4% of abortions were performed at ≤13 weeks’ gestation; a smaller number of abortions (7.2%) were performed at 14–20 weeks’ gestation, and even fewer (1.3%) were performed at ≥21 weeks’ gestation."

it also noted that abortions and teen pregnancies were in a steady decline over a 10 year period.

so, if i were to make a "pro-life" argument, i would definitely go with NZ's atypical statistics over the US ones that indicate that education and availability of contraception coupled with cultural shifts have resulted in progressively less abortions and less unwanted pregnancies.

but i don't need to make an argument for something that is already law, and women don't need to justify anything related to private, legal medical procedures.
 
Resto said:
Woman have the SAME damn rights as men do, they're just too ducking lazy to get off their ass and do something about it. People are so hooked on the past and don't focus on the present.
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Resto - Holy hell man, you're sexist af. I actually respected you before this.. I normally refrain from getting into arguments etc. but I'll make an exception for you, you should be ashamed of yourself.

Categorizing all women as "Lazy" is downright insane. If you're actually interested in being an informed citizen I suggest you read up on the actual statistics. If not, at least read this paragraph -

In 2015, female full-time workers made only 79 cents for every dollar earned by men, a gender wage gap of 21 percent. Women, on average, earn less than men in virtually every single occupation for which there is sufficient earnings data for both men and women to calculate an earnings ratio. - www.iwpr.org/.../pay-equity-and-discrimination

If you don't trust my source look at the official stats from the U.S. department of labor.

Also, remember you wouldn't be here if not for a woman, none of us would.

Show some damn respect!
 
Notahealbot said:
you seem to be dancing around making a point without actually committing. as you noted it's difficult to talk about trends in NZ without knowing the country intimately.

the trends in the US are much different, according to the cited cdc link.

"The majority of abortions in 2012 took place early in gestation: 91.4% of abortions were performed at ≤13 weeks’ gestation; a smaller number of abortions (7.2%) were performed at 14–20 weeks’ gestation, and even fewer (1.3%) were performed at ≥21 weeks’ gestation."

it also noted that abortions and teen pregnancies were in a steady decline over a 10 year period.

so, if i were to make a "pro-life" argument, i would definitely go with NZ's atypical statistics over the US ones that indicate that education and availability of contraception coupled with cultural shifts have resulted in progressively less abortions and less unwanted pregnancies.

but i don't need to make an argument for something that is already law, and women don't need to justify anything related to private, legal medical procedures.
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There is no point that I am trying to make concerning the particular current subject. It would be foolish of me to try and sway someone that has already made up their mind on such a subject. I am no fool.

There are many many restrictions in all but a few states to have an abortion in the third trimester.
 
Laurasia said:
But on topic, I hope Hilary wins. Not because she's a woman, but because Trump seems to spread hate.
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Awesome! This thread has gotten back on track.
Since you seem to be a Clinton backer, perhaps you can explain to us five good things she has done for us since she does have over three decades of government experience.
And perhaps then you can list five things Trump has done to "spread hate".


I am not a Clinton backer nor am I a Trump backer. Please do not think I am picking on you because you stated you wanted Clinton to win. I would have done the same if I seen someone state "Trump was the best hands down".
 
Allybeboba said:
Awesome! This thread has gotten back on track.
Since you seem to be a Clinton backer, perhaps you can explain to us five good things she has done for us since she does have over three decades of government experience.
And perhaps then you can list five things Trump has done to "spread hate".


I am not a Clinton backer nor am I a Trump backer. Please do not think I am picking on you because you stated you wanted Clinton to win. I would have done the same if I seen someone state "Trump was the best hands down".
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I get what you're trying to do Ally, and I agree with it, but you come off as incredibly condescending here......almost as if giving a small child a homework assignment lmfao. It would probably be more effective to take a different approach.....perhaps speaking as if you were equals.......even if you're not; taking the ego out of it.
 
AlisterCrow said:
I get what you're trying to do Ally, and I agree with it, but you come off as incredibly condescending here......almost as if giving a small child a homework assignment lmfao. It would probably be more effective to take a different approach.....perhaps speaking as if you were equals.......even if you're not......taking ego out of it.
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Laurasia more or less stated Clinton = good & Trump = bad.
I asked why. What is so condescending and egotistical about that? Am I be "egotistical" by asking you a question now?

I even asked them to "please" not think I was singling them out amongst all of the other posters in this thread to have made a comment concerning this very subject. How can that possibly be egotistical? I wanted to further this thoughtful and insightful thread concerning the next PotUS.
 
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Allybeboba said:
Laurisia said Clinton = good & Trump = bad.
I asked why. What is so condescending and egotistical about that?
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Asking for a list of five things about X and five things about Y is a bit too specific to not come off as condescending. It's like you're talking to a student at an elementary school as a teacher lol. If you would have asked simply "why exactly do you think Hillary is good? Is it only because Trump seems so terrible to you? What exactly do you find so terrible about Trump and how exactly does he spread hate?" Then it seems less like you are trying to get her/him to have a discussion in a way that you deem correct which is generally off-putting. The fact that you felt the need to give instructions at all as to how she should respond is a bit demeaning and rounding everything up with telling her/him not to think that you're picking on them is again, like you're trying to teach them how to do something.
 
this seems to exemplify the opinion of quite a few trump supporters.
Solipsist said:
he serves as a lighting rod which gathers all the frustration from Americans watching their country being destroyed by the left.
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five pros and cons is too concise when one group is reacting to a perceived general decline and the other group is just stuck with "not the crazy guy please."

perhaps the question should be "how excited or terrified are your by your choices for president?"
Allybeboba said:
Awesome! This thread has gotten back on track.
Since you seem to be a Clinton backer, perhaps you can explain to us five good things she has done for us since she does have over three decades of government experience.
And perhaps then you can list five things Trump has done to "spread hate".

I am not a Clinton backer nor am I a Trump backer. Please do not think I am picking on you because you stated you wanted Clinton to win. I would have done the same if I seen someone state "Trump was the best hands down".
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Sheiling said:
Resto - Holy hell man, you're sexist af. I actually respected you before this.. I normally refrain from getting into arguments etc. but I'll make an exception for you, you should be ashamed of yourself.

Categorizing all women as "Lazy" is downright insane. If you're actually interested in being an informed citizen I suggest you read up on the actual statistics. If not, at least read this paragraph -

In 2015, female full-time workers made only 79 cents for every dollar earned by men, a gender wage gap of 21 percent. Women, on average, earn less than men in virtually every single occupation for which there is sufficient earnings data for both men and women to calculate an earnings ratio. - www.iwpr.org/.../pay-equity-and-discrimination

If you don't trust my source look at the official stats from the U.S. department of labor.

Also, remember you wouldn't be here if not for a woman, none of us would.

Show some damn respect!
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Lmao, please tell me you're trolling, and that you're actually not one of those "gender wage gap" myth loonies. Because I will explain the "gender wage gap" in the most simplest of terms, if you like...
 
Idiot said:
Lmao, please tell me you're trolling, and that you're actually not one of those "gender wage gap" myth loonies. Because I will explain the "gender wage gap" in the most simplest of terms, if you like...
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No I am not trolling, are you saying you agree with Resto that women are "too ducking lazy to get off their ass and do something"?
I give you permission to enlighten me on your opinion :).
 
AlisterCrow said:
Inb4 Men have to pay for everything and that's why women should make less.
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What makes you think men have to pay for everything? I'm guessing your source is your dad.

The results of a recent study: out of 10 million low-income working families with children, 39% were headed by single working mothers - U.S. Department of labor study
 
Sheiling said:
Resto - Holy hell man, you're sexist af. I actually respected you before this.. I normally refrain from getting into arguments etc. but I'll make an exception for you, you should be ashamed of yourself.

Categorizing all women as "Lazy" is downright insane.
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Not categorizing all woman as, "Lazy" -.\ Just generally speaking. I'm not sexist at all? I know a lot of grills who bust their ass everyday. But when you see people protesting, "I want equality, whaaa whaaa" those people just need to gtfo. Cause that's not the case at all. That's what I'm saying, not that the entire female population is lazy >.<
 
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