The Real F2P 20 Class Tier List

Zor, don't see what your getting at. Haven't jotted in a week or more. And even then, me > you.





Shft, ask me if I give a shit. I dare you.
 
I feel like frost mages should at least be in tier two, I agree that arcane is "better" than frost, but it is also much easier imo... And now that im geared, I don't ever get globalled, or killed in two GCDs.... I mean I have a fair knowledge of the class, maybe thats who, but crittung a shatter for 550 is pretty viable if you ask me... Plus I mean CC and support/peels are awesome for a frost mage... Once again i know 1v1 its arcane every time but I think that frost brings more to the table in terms of utility... Lemme know what you think





Edit: prot pallies should not be where they are, ret does more damage and holy heals better, the shield is all they have and it can be very well overcome...
 
i'm pretty comfortable with frost mages and prot pallies being exactly where they are. i know that frost mages get killed in ~2 GCDs, because that's how fast i kill them on my hunter. "CC", "peels", and "utility" being "better" on a frost mage at level 20 is a myth that keeps getting perpetuated, and just is not true. the only thing that frost mages have that arcane doesn't is the pet nova (the 1 second "root" from cone of cold is useless). imp counterspell by itself is about 10 times better than the pet nova. if anything, arcane is better at CCing and peeling because they're so much more mobile since they don't have to sit there and cast



yes, prot pallies are basically ret pallies with less damage and holy pallies with less healing. but the thing is, they're *still* pretty good at both of these things, and they have the shield, and they have a lot of HP. and yes, i'd rather have a prot pally with me in a BG than a frost mage
 
Idk man... I wish I could say something to change your mind... Imp cs is nice, but you are fine with regular cs as long as you don't get faked... And I don't understand your reasoning with how arcane can peel better than frost... Arcane mages are barely more "mobile" than frost they just have a two second speed boost to blink, and all but one mage peel is instant cast... So theres that... Have you ever tried frost? I'm pretty sure that a frost mage can kite a decent amount of players in the flag room... If i were an fc I would definitely want a frost mage with me than an arcane mage... Oh and I haven't been globalled since I was bis but once or twice, a hunter is gonna need most of his tools to kill a frost mage that stays in his face...
 
I gotta say...frost mages are pretty good. I guess they do rely upon crits for big dmg, but the ability to kite with novas, and cone of cold.... they act as a diifrent utility imo.
 
every time i respec to frost, i immediately respec after 1 game after remembering how underwhelming it is. i feel so gimped and weak (because i am) compared to when i'm playing arcane



arcane mages can peel better than frost because they can be constantly running around and don't have to be standing in 1 place if they hope to DPS anyone. an arcane mage can run in and out of the range of hunters in order to dps. an arcane mage can be kiting around *while* using his/her instants to help his/her teammates. frost mages have to walk up to people and start hard casting on them, which is an invitation to instantly die



again, you guys are talking about frost mages like they have some kind of magic other abilities that contribute, when in reality the only thing they have is the pet nova. you're thinking of frost mages at higher level in this game, who actually do have these other abilities, and on shorter cooldown too. but level 20 frost mages are just mediocre - about on the same level as warriors and resto druids, which is right where i put them
 
hmm ok fair enough. I do agree that fmages are great high lvl, but it is true the onnly buff they have is the pet.
 
I still dont think they are on the same level as warriors or resto druids. Frost mages can peel EXACTLY the same as arcane mages, except they have a root for CoC, and the pet nova. Everything else is EXACTLY the same, so when you keep saying that they have to hard cast to peel, thats only for polymorph, and so do you... The two classes have the exact same peels except the root for CoC that frost gets, AND the pet nova. You must be too used to arcane, because hardcasting 2 frostbolts to get a kill isnt hard, sitting there and hardcasting usually isnt bad either, unless you are like actively being attacked, then nova and run away and if they get to close CoC and keep running, they get too close again and you still havent gotten help from your team (you shouldnt be away from your team as a frost mage because you are basically there for them when playing objectively) then you nova again, and throw blink in there once or twice, I dont get why frost mages are on like the second to last tier, and I think its funny that you put arcane on the second tier.. hahaha but like everyone else is saying, it is your list! So
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Edit: I love conversations like this so keep going!
 
C O T U S said:
every time i respec to frost, i immediately respec after 1 game after remembering how underwhelming it is. i feel so gimped and weak (because i am) compared to when i'm playing arcane



arcane mages can peel better than frost because they can be constantly running around and don't have to be standing in 1 place if they hope to DPS anyone. an arcane mage can run in and out of the range of hunters in order to dps. an arcane mage can be kiting around *while* using his/her instants to help his/her teammates. frost mages have to walk up to people and start hard casting on them, which is an invitation to instantly die



again, you guys are talking about frost mages like they have some kind of magic other abilities that contribute, when in reality the only thing they have is the pet nova. you're thinking of frost mages at higher level in this game, who actually do have these other abilities, and on shorter cooldown too. but level 20 frost mages are just mediocre - about on the same level as warriors and resto druids, which is right where i put them
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normally i agree with you, but on this arcane vs frost being better thing, your completely wrong.



only thing arcane has over a frost mage is imp cs(cool if your trying to blanket but un-needed) and arcane blast(very good, if all you wanna do is kill shit)



theres a reason frost mage > arcane mage in WSG in the 19 bracket, and thats because with a coordinated team, a frost mage brings so much more to the table then an arcane mage ever could.







NOW, granted BGs in this bracket, premade and pug alike, are complete horseshit with relative lack of any coordination what so ever. so an arcane mage probably does shine in this bracket.
 
@ OP - I think Prot pally should move down a tier:



Prot has the avenger's shield and good armor/stam but that's about it. I find the dps lacking but maybe I need to play my toon a bit more.



I favor enh shammy but believe you have it placed correctly - I eat healers NOM NOM but my dps is always in the middle of the pack (I play objectively and that cuts down significantly on ToT - will try to brawl mid for a few games as a test).
 
Kahr said:
normally i agree with you, but on this arcane vs frost being better thing, your completely wrong.



only thing arcane has over a frost mage is imp cs(cool if your trying to blanket but un-needed) and arcane blast(very good, if all you wanna do is kill shit)



theres a reason frost mage > arcane mage in WSG in the 19 bracket, and thats because with a coordinated team, a frost mage brings so much more to the table then an arcane mage ever could.







NOW, granted BGs in this bracket, premade and pug alike, are complete horseshit with relative lack of any coordination what so ever. so an arcane mage probably does shine in this bracket.
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i do about 3 times more damage as arcane than i do as frost, and i have imp cs, and i don't have to cast spells in order to do damage



i'm assuming the bads in the 19 bracket are still just as bad/clueless as they were when i dominated it, so i'm sure they do think that frost mages are better than arcane mages in "premades". i could make a new class in WoW called "imp counterspell", with one ability, imp counterspell, and it would be more useful in a 19 premade than a frost mage



i'm down to debate pretty much anything in my list except where i place mages, because i know for a fact that's where those two specs belong, since i'm by far the best mage player in this bracket and also the most knowledgeable (yep, call me arrogant, you are correct). if hunters weren't so out of control in this bracket, you would see every min-maxer rolling arcane mages, because they would absolutely dominate every single battleground, no exaggeration. if you've ever seen me in a BG with only 0-2 hunters on the opposing team, you will know what i'm talking about
 
C O T U S said:
i do about 3 times more damage as arcane than i do as frost, and i have imp cs, and i don't have to cast spells in order to do damage



i'm assuming the bads in the 19 bracket are still just as bad/clueless as they were when i dominated it, so i'm sure they do think that frost mages are better than arcane mages in "premades". i could make a new class in WoW called "imp counterspell", with one ability, imp counterspell, and it would be more useful in a 19 premade than a frost mage



i'm down to debate pretty much anything in my list except where i place mages, because i know for a fact that's where those two specs belong, since i'm by far the best mage player in this bracket and also the most knowledgeable (yep, call me arrogant, you are correct). if hunters weren't so out of control in this bracket, you would see every min-maxer rolling arcane mages, because they would absolutely dominate every single battleground, no exaggeration. if you've ever seen me in a BG with only 0-2 hunters on the opposing team, you will know what i'm talking about
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Nope, i call bullshit, you dont hit as hard as i do, while you may be able to move around while you do damage, you dont hit like a properly geared frost mage can hit. Also, if you are all about damage and a blanket silence just go play hunter (i know you already do haha) But thats all you are, a squishy hunter with a silence that last 2 more seconds than moth.



The whole "Imp Counterspell" class or whatever is totally retarded man, and i say that in the nicest way possible, stam stacking CC frost mages are crazy in the 19 bracket and they are wayy more viable than an imp counterspell.



I agree you are the best mage in the bracket, but who cares haha! Frost mages shine when there are no hunters as well, i mean look at the screen shot on that GG thread, there was like 1 hunter and i went 21 and 1, not saying im good or whatever and take out of it what you will but thats what happens to mages when there are little to no hunters, i mean thats what happens with a few other classes...
 
Still waiting for the MrCer Tier.
 
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