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The future of 29 Twinking
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AxiomDK
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OK Into Response to you Ayden because I actually had you ignored the for constant toxicity you bring into every one of my posts, I had no idea you even replied.
1. Your first point is your personal opinion in one game you played with me.
2. You literally signed up by yourself into my tournament, didnt get approved, you didn't even have a partner. You didnt deserve any gold and the tournament did not go on. The one who said they would provide gold for the tournament never donated. This is because we waited to see who was gonna win and on what server when we bought them a wow token. For you to even go about this is ridiculous because you had no idea about anything that was going on for this tournament and went as far as calling yourself a winner and making an entire post to prove your stupidity even more to me.
3. I literally talk to 29s daily, in discord, and in game. I do not talk to YOU because you go about this retarded shit.
4. I told you that queues popped 10-20 minutes because they did. That is not the truth anymore as i clearly stated in the top of the post.
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1. No Bracket in Twink PvP is to be centered around arena skirmishes. As it is right now this is the initiative I am taking towards 29s. If you do not agree, then do your own thing.
2. If you need stats to play arenas then why are you playing the game in the first place. Do you track all your WSG Wins too?
3. You don't decide whether or not the bracket dies. If players queue then they queue. I dont care if I set up organized times of the day Ayden. If people want to play their 29s they will, and If they want to queue up for arenas they will.
4. Already touched on this basically, and as I said setting up events is the plan so I dont get what you're trying to say in the second half of that point.
5. Its not disrespectful. Its the truth, you take 4 players and queue up you will vs eachother. You may get swapped through eachothers teams. The fact that I am here trying to start something is something that should be valued Ayden. How disrespectful of you for shit talking the ONLY person trying to get 29s SOMEWHERE.
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my final point is, I am trying to do something with the remaining of the community, you yourself are toxic and consistantly look to target me and my doings for the 29 community and I wont really keep putting up with it. If you don't like me or what I do STOP replying to my post, stop reading them, and stop associating yourself with the 29 community if it is so much of a problem that I try to get people to atleast queue up an arena instead of sitting in durotar with their shiny useless epics dueling people.
Hey reader of this thread,
If you have any interest in the longevity of the 29s bracket, I would highly suggest taking this post with a grain of salt. Plants, specifically, a few of the other active 29s, and I tried to keep this bracket alive through wargames the week that brackets changed.
Here are a couple of reasons why this revival won't happen from a personal standpoint:
1) Axion is toxic
Axion subbed himself into just one wargame that I was around for (I've personally been in 10-15 since the changes to queues) where he complained about having to play while Plants was gone (mind you this was for one game while Plants ate plants).
2) Axion doesn't know the 29s community in a meaningful way to get them to participate in events and doesn't pay winners
Axion has also held a poorly advertised tournament that despite having an entry in, did not pay a winner nor log on during the start time to claim it wasn't going to happen. Axion also supposedly received a donation for tournament winnings, hope that homie got his shit back
3) Axion waited until the bracket died to make a post like this
Axion participated in zero conversations about how to keep people playing 29s nor crowd sourced information like other players about how to keep the bracket alive.
4) Axion lies about the health of the bracket
Glad to see you aren't lying about the battleground queues anymore by the way. This stuff you said on Sunday wasn't cool. 4 or 5 days ago as of this post. Must have been a lot that happened since then.
Here's the response to this thread:
1) 29s isn't the bracket for Arena
This bracket was never centered around intricate content for small skirmishes. There aren't enough spells to make for meaningful interactions between very few players nor is there a working ladder for people who care.
2) Arenas are a side quest for people waiting for BGs.
Aside from you, no one main plays Arenas at this bracket. If you had engaged in some of the content for 29s outside of the stuff that twinks at 29 don't do, you'd be aware of this. The only reason I ever ended up in arenas is because I was additionally queueing it next to the BGs I wanted to play and I know for a fact that's how other players ended up there too. Additionally the tracker on xpoff for your arena wins/losses isn't working which means there is literally zero incentive to play them.
3) 29s isn't large enough to keep consistent arena queues going
Your analysis that says a thriving arena scene can be built by just four people is just bullshit. No one in their right mind will be interested in queueing into the same 2 people on the same 2 specs every game. But hey, let's grant that they are interested in boring content like that, LOL they can just do wargames and skip the shitty arenas that involve 1 banging levelers.
4) The format died because of changes to queues
This is marginally true. Other brackets have maintained longevity due to SEVERE work being put in by multiple members of their community to get people logged on. 59s wasn't the hot community to be a part of until people stepped the fuck up and said we're going to provide people a schedule and something to look forward to on their offtime. Sitting offline on discord or just declining to put some content together when you have players online, is a larger reason as to why people aren't playing 29s.
5) How disrespectful to be honest
I've already mentioned the 59s group and the people who are actively working to keep their brackets alive. A lot of work goes into keeping people logging on every night and the idea that it's just as easy as getting 4 people to log in for arenas queues is fucked up.
1. Your first point is your personal opinion in one game you played with me.
2. You literally signed up by yourself into my tournament, didnt get approved, you didn't even have a partner. You didnt deserve any gold and the tournament did not go on. The one who said they would provide gold for the tournament never donated. This is because we waited to see who was gonna win and on what server when we bought them a wow token. For you to even go about this is ridiculous because you had no idea about anything that was going on for this tournament and went as far as calling yourself a winner and making an entire post to prove your stupidity even more to me.
3. I literally talk to 29s daily, in discord, and in game. I do not talk to YOU because you go about this retarded shit.
4. I told you that queues popped 10-20 minutes because they did. That is not the truth anymore as i clearly stated in the top of the post.
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1. No Bracket in Twink PvP is to be centered around arena skirmishes. As it is right now this is the initiative I am taking towards 29s. If you do not agree, then do your own thing.
2. If you need stats to play arenas then why are you playing the game in the first place. Do you track all your WSG Wins too?
3. You don't decide whether or not the bracket dies. If players queue then they queue. I dont care if I set up organized times of the day Ayden. If people want to play their 29s they will, and If they want to queue up for arenas they will.
4. Already touched on this basically, and as I said setting up events is the plan so I dont get what you're trying to say in the second half of that point.
5. Its not disrespectful. Its the truth, you take 4 players and queue up you will vs eachother. You may get swapped through eachothers teams. The fact that I am here trying to start something is something that should be valued Ayden. How disrespectful of you for shit talking the ONLY person trying to get 29s SOMEWHERE.
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my final point is, I am trying to do something with the remaining of the community, you yourself are toxic and consistantly look to target me and my doings for the 29 community and I wont really keep putting up with it. If you don't like me or what I do STOP replying to my post, stop reading them, and stop associating yourself with the 29 community if it is so much of a problem that I try to get people to atleast queue up an arena instead of sitting in durotar with their shiny useless epics dueling people.
Ayden
Grandfathered
Starting out hot are we? The funny thing about this is that I don't even think you've had me ignored. I think you're quite literally afraid to talk to me. You've made public posts saying that you'll speak with me on discord about my Tournament win, you've told two people I know personally that we were friends (we're not) and you've made claims that there are multiple pieces of content that you've organized that I have attended (I have not).
Let's check toxicity:
(a) We'll start with you for science
(i) you have used me as an outlet to spotlight being a reasonable person (by claiming you'll talk to the only person who signed up for your tournament, (ii) you have fronted a personal relationship with me (telling people I'm close with that we're friends) to dismiss true statements I've posted by claiming that I'm trolling you, and (iii) you have used me (an active member of 29s) as a fake player in war games you've not created nor played in.
(b) and me because I'll provide substantive arguments for you
(i) I created a thread that finished your tournament for you. (Thank god because you'd be the really laughing stock of the coordinators forums if you didn't have a winner for your tournament.) (ii) I made a thread that reminded the community of all of the accomplishments that preceded you with a post cleverly lined through the letters in your name. (I even shouted out your Twitch and Rogue guide.) Additionally if you had any friends playing WoW, the post included the fact that you weren't queueing 29s, and it let your friends know that they could find you in the 110 bracket. (iii) I have dispelled any lies that you must have forgotten you were spouting in threads you posted in so that the community you claim to care about so much isn't being jaded by unrealistic claims you've made. (iv) I messaged you when it was time in Discord for some form of 29s content while we had people on. You took offense to this and as coordinator told me to fuck off because you were going to play alone today (like most other days while you're in offline mode).
Toxic lol. You're going to have to do way more than change your profile picture and signature to dodge your past.
This might be the worst response of them all. This is A PERSONAL OPINION. Oddly enough all of these things are personal opinions. Here's why THIS personal opinion matters: 1) In a dying bracket with a discord full of a team you're playing with you made it seem like a chore to play. This is not conducive to maintaining a dying community. 2) This is my only interaction with you. Maybe you were having a bad day (and I'm perfectly fine with you making up some shitty sob story about how that specific day you felt like shit) but, talk to Plants or anyone else who was in those games, having a good time and getting people to come back and play again was crucial in because the community was built on the random battleground queue. 3) Community leaders shouldn't be talking shit when other members are doing their job for them. Your demeanor speaks past any prior work you'd done for the community because your shitty attitude deters people from staying. 4) You could have fixed a perfectly reasonable 'personal opinion' of you by doing quite literally ANYTHING other than sitting in offline mode and being 'too sick' to participate in any content.
Nice ad homs btw. Thought I'd mention this here. Try to avoid them when your post starts by calling people toxic. Guess we don't need to go into detail on this since you already consider yourself a model citizen of this very sparse 29s community.
You realize this is the joke right? You couldn't get together even FOUR people to start a tournament. I've been told four people is all it takes to get together an ENTIRE COMMUNITY IN A BRACKET but you couldn't get FOUR to play for a PRIZE. In professional sports, big private Tennis or Golf tournaments ALWAYS feel out who can come prior to the tournament some even pay big names just to show up to ensure that they have a roster to play. The lack of any sort of roster is the probably more telling than anything else about the amount of effort you have to go through to maintain a Coordinator rank that has been made to mean nothing per your own performance on the job.
Also lol, Plants (as the tournament director) messaged me saying that if I had a partner the day of the tournament that I was likely to win but we'd have to wait for you to log on. This means a whole host of fun things, (a) I didn't need to be approved and (b) It didn't matter when I'd signed up. All of this was dodged 5 hours later when you claimed that you were too sick to log in. Really solid tournament. As far as I'm concerned my PR post announcing there had been a winner makes the event look like a hell of a lot less of a joke than it should have been.
S.E.N.D. S.C.R.E.E.N.S.H.O.T.S. You make wildly superfluous claims about the things you do for the community and the health of the community but NO ONE has seen any of them. As far as I'm concerned, you have banned a player that didn't miss the last 10-25 war games from discord without having quite literally ever had a conversation with me. Solid choice.
Let's assume what you're saying is true.
Tell me, what do they tell you as 29s coordinator?
Do they ever suggest that there isn't enough content in 29s?
Have they asked for more warsong gulch games?
Are they interested in arenas?
Which brackets have they moved to as a result of poor management in this one?
Do they see things that their other brackets are doing that you could improve on?
Let's see some screenshots of what you've been talking to these people about so that we don't think you're (a) lying about having talked to people that matter, (b) misinforming the xpoff forums about what the players want and (c) actually AFK when you claim you're sitting in offline mode.
You're lying. Just flat out lying. Everyone knows you despise queueing for battlegrounds. There have been like 4 total battlegrounds since the changes, you've sent no screenshots of even ONE of these battlegrounds that have popped showing a bunch of XPoff toons. The funniest thing about all of this is that many of us have sat in nearly 40 hours of a dry queues waiting for something to pop and nothing did. You're barking up the wrong tree especially considering on the last post regarding 29 queues the consensus was leaning in the other direction of your argument. Since you seem to be widely misinformed about this (even though you posted later in the thread) I'll remind you that NO ONE has experienced queue times similar to what you "claim."
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Awesome you've almost made an argument. However you've not made a compelling one to be a catalyst for people playing the game. You've chosen a path that has quite literally never worked and is not being done in any bracket. Well done.
Even then, you're heavily missing the point behind my argument here. Arena PVP HAS been a flourishing format in many instances. These forms of arenas pop off every season in the level capped brackets (120 this season). 29s has never been the end game for World of Warcraft. The game was never centered around having Arena PVP at such a low level which is why some classes are highly overtuned in small skirmishes while others fall by the wayside.
I'm really not sure if you think that your response was a compelling one but simply saying 'I'm going to drive this bracket into the ground by only providing content in a format that has NEVER worked at 29s' isn't going to work. You must know that's true because I assume you had to have passed some sort of aptitude test (which isn't showing at the moment) that gave you the go ahead on being the 29s Coordinator.
This also misses a major point in 2 which was the argument that people only end up in arenas because of the fact that they side queue them next to long BG queues. I presume you don't intend to address that because there aren't any players that solely queue arenas. This additionally seems to be a problem for your new initiative because if people aren't waiting on additional content like the BG queue, then they won't sit in Durotar or Goldshire for just arenas. The funny thing about this is that the point you missed answers your response on it's own. You play arenas not for the stats but to keep you warm for BG content and it breaks up the lack of content in between each battleground.
As for what you did address: (a) Yes people care about stats and they are tracked (b) bgs are more than 15 seconds of content.
(a) The stats are tracked. You can always look it up. Those stats are held on your armory page. I thought I'd pull yours up for you since you seem to be unaware of this. Oddly enough you've participated in just 2 games on the new maps from 8.1.5. lol. It's like just by happenstance, we have more proof you've lied about about the amount of BGs that have just been POPPING OFF in 29s. You must be doing all that work in the Battleground department in offline mode and on toons that no one knows the names to.
I've compiled pictures of your wins in battlegrounds of the 3 29s you have in your signature.
(b) Arenas are stat oriented because half of them end before anything happens. Twinked 29s finish the game quickly or are able to heavily stall out the game in double healer comps. The reality is that arenas are far from enjoyable in both circumstances which is likely why people don't queue and why your tournament had HEAVY restrictions on the comps that could be played. If you don't have something to look at (like a ladder system) after playing all of those arenas, I am very skeptical as to why anyone would play them.
I came back to this point later and did a quick forums search. In the first page with the search "ladder" I found all of these; one of them was you! So this also seems to suggest that you also want stats to point to after spamming arena games.
Active brackets live and die by the schedule. This is probably why when you asked the question regarding 19s activity, you were responded to with a direct answer about when people set up games and when there are hot activity times. This is how you maintain brackets and it is the reason why Runescape PVP clans have 14 year olds who can maintain activity in their clans for scheduled fights on a browser game, and you can't get people to queue bgs nor arenas in this format.
This isn't setting anything up. You have a track record for saying that you've set things up but then not paying winners nor showing up during the time of the event. Additionally, acting like you can just save a bracket from death by just telling people "queue up forehead" isn't doing anything to fix the problem.
It's wildly disrespectful that this was the response. You've not started anything, you're not providing anything of substance and you've got a rank that suggests you do. Give Plants the recognition he deserves when you tried to steal it from him in this comment.
HA. Acting like this is shit talking also REALLY fits the mold for the way you've conducted yourself. This isn't shit talking.
Who do you think is still around that wants to play with you? 19s 20s and 59s have loads of wonderful people attempting to make their brackets work with a green online circle, funding for new players and even a schedule so people know when they can get games. The last players in the 29 bracket are bugging their queues because that's the only way they can get marginal forms of content and the supposed 29s Coordinator is streaming 19s on Twitch. Acting like you're the savior to the bracket just because you've decided to change your avatar and post about how "all of you 29s COULD just do content you don't want" is ridiculous.
Screenshot the 29s sitting in durotar with their epics. Twinks aren't logging onto their 29s anymore lol. This wreaks of lies.
Also nah. I wouldn't have commented anything if you'd gotten on discord with me during the tournament time and said 'hey man we couldn't find someone to play you. We'll set up something else' or maybe if you'd jumped into the Wargames we'd played and you'd not been complaining that you 'were forced to play with us' when you could be playing more fortnite.
I'll be here Axion.
non Lord Axion readers, hit me with an informative if one of those screenshots included you
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you legit made a thread not too long ago about making a 29 to stay @ bar
would you like me to link it you hypocrite lmao
[doublepost=1554498139,1554497927][/doublepost]PS: I heard from a genuine source that you are bipolar. You were so kind, sweet, and humble when you returned from your break. You suddenly, out of nowhere, started acting like a retard. Get help. Only you can change it.
Neon
Power up like I’m dragon ball!
Like i care what people think of me on an online game.
That was in a different bracket lmfao.
Keep crutching dude you need all the help you can get obviously!
Also when i played 29s i fced as feral or played a fire mage both are not even remotely relevant in todays meta.
Ayden
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Oldpunk
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29s aren't all dead, I saw Sideshotzz the other day, I saw Irratigank today. But they are having to do a special dance to get into BGs, and it makes them look kinda desperate. Having said that, I know how it feels to love a toon and suddenly have them become redundant.
Wouldn't be surprised if Blizz undoes the separation in due course. I'm not loving the new sitch, even as a 20.
Wouldn't be surprised if Blizz undoes the separation in due course. I'm not loving the new sitch, even as a 20.
Katsudon
Veteran
I had a neon on my btag when I used to play before the change to xp for bg’s that was a monk. Are you the same neon that rolled a lvl 29 dwarf monk?
Neon
Power up like I’m dragon ball!
Yes a trololol brewmaster monk lol.
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Irratigank
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I would never smh! Even if all the time, gold, and money i spent into a toon ended up being worth nothing :'D.
Lil
SV huntard
Seeing 29s die so quickly after the queue change is honestly the best thing about this game in months.
GG 29 hypocrites, no re.
Edit: not meant for you OP, idk you but this bracket will continue to be a shell of the past as long as 20s are gone. This was meant for the other 99% of ex 29s/new vets
GG 29 hypocrites, no re.
Edit: not meant for you OP, idk you but this bracket will continue to be a shell of the past as long as 20s are gone. This was meant for the other 99% of ex 29s/new vets