Should something like this be allowed in the Twink Cup/PuG's?

[Aintabanka]

So you're saying, allow this because a random warrior or w.e should be there waiting for them to do the jump? If 2 teams are team fighting, both FCs get across, one Fc decides to be a faggot and do this jump, while both teams are in mid, That team then decides to fall back to Defense, then send some on O. How is someone in that team fight going to get past the team in order to stop that fc from doing the jump, without risking his team dying without him?

Alliance has like 3 different spots they can do it too so that argument is pretty invalid. If they do it, do it back. Someone will eventually die after 700 stacks and a boomkin+hunter. Keep in mind all of these spots except for 1 spot (which happens to be the infamous blink exploit) on alliance are all not affected by los as well, so utilise your ranged offense better. Plenty of options man.

As aforementioned, this shit has been around for years and has been a very huge and common strategy forever in these years and it's been proven that it can be dealt with. Learn the jumps and get over it.

edit: didn't see your last post - learning the jumps could be directed at your team be it organised or pugs instead

 

[Daddy]

Alliance has like 3 different spots they can do it too so that argument is pretty invalid. If they do it, do it back. Someone will eventually die after 700 stacks and a boomkin+hunter. Keep in mind all of these spots except for 1 spot (which happens to be the infamous blink exploit) on alliance are all not affected by los as well, so utilise your ranged offense better. Plenty of options man.

As aforementioned, this shit has been around for years and has been a very huge and common strategy forever in these years and it's been proven that it can be dealt with. Learn the jumps and get over it.

You are obviously not getting my point. For the sake of PuG's what if you have no ranged to kill them? And for the sake of the Twink Cup, what if they are turtling and you send a hunter boomkin offense, (which is the only thing that makes logical sense) and the rogue can't touch him, the boomkin can't solo him because of healers, and you are back to square one with no means of countering their defense without putting your FC in danger, because you dont have a scummy jump to do, or know how to do it because that's not how the game is intended to be played.

 

[bolt]

this is so bullshit jumps like this 100% should not be allowed, takes away from the teamwork and overall wsg tactics of the game

 

[Aintabanka]

You are obviously not getting my point. For the sake of PuG's what if you have no ranged to kill them? And for the sake of the Twink Cup, what if they are turtling and you send a hunter boomkin offense, (which is the only thing that makes logical sense) and the rogue can't touch him, the boomkin can't solo him because of healers, and you are back to square one with no means of countering their defense without putting your FC in danger, because you dont have a scummy jump to do, or know how to do it because that's not how the game is intended to be played.

Pugs: That's what they are - pugs. Not a lot you can really do about it.
TC: There are a bunch of different scenarios here but if you're insinuating a full turtle, push in take 1-2 targets so you have the upper hand then have your ranged and warrior on the fc and your rogue pushing a healer. What about your FC? Put him in an inaccessible spot like they have done with their fc. Whoever does it fastest wins I guess. Ideally your rogue isn't going to mean much anyway in most scenarios relating the fc without stacks because of the hunter on D using his mend pet EXPLOIT​.

 

[Daddy]

Pugs: That's what they are - pugs. Not a lot you can really do about it.
TC: There are a bunch of different scenarios here but if you're insinuating a full turtle, push in take 1-2 targets so you have the upper hand then have your ranged and warrior on the fc and your rogue pushing a healer. What about your FC? Put him in an inaccessible spot like they have done with their fc. Whoever does it fastest wins I guess. Ideally your rogue isn't going to mean much anyway in most scenarios relating the fc without stacks because of the hunter on D using his mend pet EXPLOIT​.

So you're saying that when people cheat in the Twink Cup, cheat back? Makes perfect sense, let's just all cheat and see who cheats the best, cuz that's what a tournament is all about.

 

[Scope]

honestly, i feel like you're blowing this out of proportion. for startes, you did outcomp us, you guys wiped our mid, i got lucky and got by and ally my team was on ur fc and i had to options wait for 6th stack and die or use my "crutch". and besides at the end of the day, idc about your opinion. And if tc rules get changed so that i cant use what i know, then i wont use it... in a premade that is. i will crutch all i fucking want in a god dang pug, get over it already. til then see u guys at my spot, ill be there every game against u guys.

 

[Daddy]

honestly, i feel like you're blowing this out of proportion. for startes, you did outcomp us, you guys wiped our mid, i got lucky and got by and ally my team was on ur fc and i had to options wait for 6th stack and die or use my "crutch". and besides at the end of the day, idc about your opinion. And if tc rules get changed so that i cant use what i know, then i wont use it... in a premade that is. i will crutch all i fucking want in a god dang pug, get over it already. til then see u guys at my spot, ill be there every game against u guys.

Out of the TC is all I want, farming you in pug's is just an added bonus.

 

[Aintabanka]

So you're saying that when people cheat in the Twink Cup, cheat back? Makes perfect sense, let's just all cheat and see who cheats the best, cuz that's what a tournament is all about.

But it's not cheating (yet). When a list of rules get put in place, then it can be decided whether it's a cheat.

All I'm saying is, anyone and everyone can do this jump. There's nothing saying anyone and everyone CANNOT do this jump. Until there is, anyone and everyone can utilise this jump.

We can discuss scenarios all day but in the end, the matter of the fact is that it's there and it can be dealt with, it's not prohibited (yet) and it's been used since the dawn of time.

 

[Scope]

So you're saying that when people cheat in the Twink Cup, cheat back? Makes perfect sense, let's just all cheat and see who cheats the best, cuz that's what a tournament is all about.

yo dude, you sound fucking so fucking ignorant man. idk if ur trolling, but if u are u got me good. you make no sense, u first said its a jump, meaning its not cheating. and now ur saying its cheating. im off to bed man, you'll prolly make more sense tomorrow or something.

 

[Daddy]

yo dude, you sound fucking so fucking ignorant man. idk if ur trolling, but if u are u got me good. you make no sense, u first said its a jump, meaning its not cheating. and now ur saying its cheating. im off to bed man, you'll prolly make more sense tomorrow or something.

A jump to get into a spot that is technically cheating, is technically still a jump, but to cheat

 

[Daddy]

But it's not cheating (yet). When a list of rules get put in place, then it can be decided whether it's a cheat.

All I'm saying is, anyone and everyone can do this jump. There's nothing saying anyone and everyone CANNOT do this jump. Until there is, anyone and everyone can utilise this jump.

We can discuss scenarios all day but in the end, the matter of the fact is that it's there and it can be dealt with, it's not prohibited (yet) and it's been used since the dawn of time.

It's like dropping a nuke on Japan, and hoping that they all have nuclear shelters, cuz that makes it right.

 

[Aintabanka]

It's like dropping a nuke on Japan, and hoping that they all have nuclear shelters, cuz that makes it right.

Man, I feel like I'm losing brain cells replying to you... Just gonna leave it and hope to see it replicated in a premade to see how powerful it really is in this new age of burst dps/heals. Haven't seen a premade use jumps like this in a long time, not for any reasons other than it being too difficult to keep the ground and fc alive because he cant los or do anything up there or getting into the spot to begin with because you generally won't have the chance in a premade situation.

edit: I think you're overreacting a bit. pce.

 

[Swoops]

Wall jumps are finicky, and become a lot more reliable when you use creative ways to jump and move forward at the same time. Getting to spots that you can only get to using them is considered against the rules by Blizz.

Jumps are great when you use them as a shortcut to places you can get otherwise. Getting to top horde tunnel or up into GY faster is a reasonable advantage to gain. Being unreachable by melee unless they can do the jumps too is absolutely broken. If you really think that everyone playing in the twink cup should have to perfect wall jumps when it's an open tournament aimed at promoting the bracket, I think you lost your brain cells before these replies.

 

[Aintabanka]

If you really think that everyone playing in the twink cup should have to perfect wall jumps when it's an open tournament

It's by no means an unreasonable request. All it takes is practice. Nobody is going to be running any ret paladins (at least I hope not), warriors can charge up and the chance a rogue gets to the efc before the exploiting hunter gets to him is minimal regardless of a high spot. Go put the rogue on the mw/disc for kicks/pressure instead - it's not like you become useless because you can't get the fc on ONE viable class even though everyone else can hit him. This isn't an issue and until it's proven in a premade setting, I doubt it will show as an issue in any situation other than a ridiculously lost or one sided pug game. Get over it lads.

 

[Daddy]

It's by no means an unreasonable request. All it takes is practice. Nobody is going to be running any ret paladins (at least I hope not), warriors can charge up and the chance a rogue gets to the efc before the exploiting hunter gets to him is minimal regardless of a high spot. Go put the rogue on the mw/disc for kicks/pressure instead - it's not like you become useless because you can't get the fc on ONE viable class even though everyone else can hit him. This isn't an issue and until it's proven in a premade setting, I doubt it will show as an issue in any situation other than a ridiculously lost or one sided pug game. Get over it lads.

I feel like logic is just lost with you. As soon as you said learning jumps for the twink cup isn't an unreasonable request. No one should have to go out of their way to learn how to jump up a fuckin wall mid game with people on them just to even hit an FC. And idk where you get your information, but a warrior cannot charge up to that spot and a rogue that doesn't open on an FC and opens on a healer instead? You obviously have not been in a premade recently.

 

[dattwinklife]

if this is your only option....you lost. just accept it and move on

 

[Swoops]

It's by no means an unreasonable request. All it takes is practice. Nobody is going to be running any ret paladins (at least I hope not), warriors can charge up and the chance a rogue gets to the efc before the exploiting hunter gets to him is minimal regardless of a high spot. Go put the rogue on the mw/disc for kicks/pressure instead - it's not like you become useless because you can't get the fc on ONE viable class even though everyone else can hit him. This isn't an issue and until it's proven in a premade setting, I doubt it will show as an issue in any situation other than a ridiculously lost or one sided pug game. Get over it lads.

It's absolutely an unreasonable request when a lot of the people who will be playing and watching the tournament don't spend most of their time in this game twinking.

Allowing walljumps to otherwise unreachable places is a slippery slope. Even if this spot isn't too bad, there are worse ones you can get to. I agree that it probably won't be an issue in premades/10v10s, but it's better to be safe since it'd be really shitty for something like this to decide a game when there's a lot of money on the line. If doing this in pugs gets you off, fine. It's annoying, but no one's going to stop you unless your team AFKs you. Just saying it shouldn't be allowed in the Twink Cup.

 

[Daddy]

Instead of dribbling shit, get some proof that isn't based on a fucking pug game and get it banned if you have that big a stick up your arse about it.

Or, instead of wasting everyones time by Harvest doing some stupid wall jump, and seeing if the other team gets mad, we can simply come to an agreement on the forums over the matter, because deducing it with logic is completely possible, given the evidence for, and against the matter.

 

[Aintabanka]

Or, instead of wasting everyones time by Harvest doing some stupid wall jump, and seeing if the other team gets mad, we can simply come to an agreement on the forums over the matter, because deducing it with logic is completely possible, given the evidence for, and against the matter.

It's not a waste of time lol, you want the shit banned, get some proof. This thread, the picture you provided, the reasons the scenarios everything you have provided is not conclusive evidence at all. We don't even know the comps of the teams in the game in question other than by what you and Scope argued over, in which the info was minimal. You also have to look at who the players were as well because as we know, not everyone in the bracket is "rank 1" like they think they are. There are SO MANY missing bits of information. You're taking a pug game, finding something you don't like that anyone can do, then crying about it in public.

Prove it's an issue.

 

[Daddy]

It's not a waste of time lol, you want the shit banned, get some proof. This thread, the picture you provided, the reasons the scenarios everything you have provided is not conclusive evidence at all. We don't even know the comps of the teams in the game in question other than by what you and Scope argued over, in which the info was minimal. You also have to look at who the players were as well because as we know, not everyone in the bracket is "rank 1" like they think they are. There are SO MANY missing bits of information. You're taking a pug game, finding something you don't like that anyone can do, then crying about it in public.

Prove it's an issue.

smh..