Separate f2p/veteran forums discussion

[Swoops]

I don't have much of a vested interest here with my current activity level, but I think the single Level 20 section incorporating both Veteran and Starter accounts has been a huge success. It's by far the most cooperation/coexistence the bracket's seen between the paying and non-paying members of the community. [MENTION=8138]Kincaide[/MENTION]'s post here is good evidence of how productive this section has been.

The custom thread tagging seems more than adequate for threads that pertain to a specific account type. One possible improvement for people who aren't content with this could be an easier way to filter by tag than searching.

Honestly, the way things have gone here kind of make me think a single 20-29 section could actually work. Forcing people to get along in this section has worked out pretty well!

Edit: hi [MENTION=10336]Yde[/MENTION]!

 

[PepeLePewPew]

No. F2Ps don't do community events with Vets they are a totally different community and ingame shows it.

Yikes. Judging from your response and others I guess there is a schizm I wasn't aware of. It seems silly to me, especially since it's all unorthodox play making the most of limitations. I still enjoy and do well on my starters. If there are more Vets it's because they are so easily made. Vets get enchants, Starters get to use higher level bandages... both seem to me more interested during random bg's in enjoying a decent match where 29's just want to ROFLSTOMP.

I just don't see how what's being suggested will build any sort of community, but I don't participate in events. If they become so exclusive I suppose I'll just continue solo queueing and not consider myself a part of either.

 

[Yde]

hi Yde!

Hi!

Good points!

The thread tags are nice indeed, and could suffice. Only weak point might be that you have to choose either account type or region and can't combine those.

 

[Activate]

You speak of this community, where is it? I see no F2P activity going on and none being organized on TI.

That's my point

With so many transitioning to vet, the population is much lower. By reestablishing a trial section, we can actively communicate trial to trial. We can pick up the pieces, even semi-regular pugmades and arenas would be an improvement. We won't see the community on ti unless we consolidate what remains of it.

 

[Activate]

I don't have much of a vested interest here with my current activity level, but I think the single Level 20 section incorporating both Veteran and Starter accounts has been a huge success. It's by far the most cooperation/coexistence the bracket's seen between the paying and non-paying members of the community. [MENTION=8138]Kincaide[/MENTION]'s post here is good evidence of how productive this section has been.

The custom thread tagging seems more than adequate for threads that pertain to a specific account type. One possible improvement for people who aren't content with this could be an easier way to filter by tag than searching.

Honestly, the way things have gone here kind of make me think a single 20-29 section could actually work. Forcing people to get along in this section has worked out pretty well!

Edit: hi [MENTION=10336]Yde[/MENTION]!

Very true, the clique drama has all but disappeared. But we've sacrificed what remains of the trial community (on ti) to achieve it. The twenty section was a shortcut and as a trial player I'm deeply disappointed with the side affects.

 

[Trialmop]

Yikes. Judging from your response and others I guess there is a schizm I wasn't aware of. It seems silly to me, especially since it's all unorthodox play making the most of limitations. I still enjoy and do well on my starters. If there are more Vets it's because they are so easily made. Vets get enchants, Starters get to use higher level bandages... both seem to me more interested during random bg's in enjoying a decent match where 29's just want to ROFLSTOMP.

I just don't see how what's being suggested will build any sort of community, but I don't participate in events. If they become so exclusive I suppose I'll just continue solo queueing and not consider myself a part of either.

Since vets, bgs for trials have only gotten worse(if that was possible). Yes trials still bg but many don't like the fact they have to fight p2ps rather its a Vet or 29 either way its not that fun.

People like Lanky Cer and a few other TI that have vets do it to help trials yes but don't think that majority of vets are anything like them. They just state a noble reason to face roll and they truly are more p2p than f2p lol.

 

[Trialmop]

I don't have much of a vested interest here with my current activity level, but I think the single Level 20 section incorporating both Veteran and Starter accounts has been a huge success. It's by far the most cooperation/coexistence the bracket's seen between the paying and non-paying members of the community. [MENTION=8138]Kincaide[/MENTION]'s post here is good evidence of how productive this section has been.

The custom thread tagging seems more than adequate for threads that pertain to a specific account type. One possible improvement for people who aren't content with this could be an easier way to filter by tag than searching.

Honestly, the way things have gone here kind of make me think a single 20-29 section could actually work. Forcing people to get along in this section has worked out pretty well!

Edit: hi [MENTION=10336]Yde[/MENTION]!

The post is only partially true. People were banned left and right. Then a lot of players just quit or decreased activity a lot because the game got so bad. It had very little nothing to do with reorganization. There was also less drama because K and broken monitored a bit different than others. The fact that most people in that thread are vet just sad. Less people added with mods telling people not to start threads addressing issues that already had a thread locked because there were complaints and differences caused for inactivity. This gives the allusion of working together but it was a terrible mistake to mix the forum with 2 difference communities.

Issues were not resolved they were just hidden and tampered down by mods,infractions and, bans.

 

[Björke]

I think its best the way it is now. Tags work just fine and I have not seen drama here in a long time which really surprised me tbh.
Yes, f2p and vet are not the same. However with so many people (like me) playing both, there is no need for 2 forums.
Also I dont see a value in the point, that f2ps would be able to organize events or something similar better this way. Does not make sense to me, this is perfectly possible the way it is now.

A level 20 forum and a 20-29 forum seems like the best option to me.

The post is only partially true. People were banned left and right. Then a lot of players just quit or decreased activity a lot because the game got so bad. It had very little nothing to do with reorganization. There was also less drama because K and broken monitored a bit different than others. The fact that most people in that thread are vet just sad. Less people added with mods telling people not to start threads addressing issues that already had a thread locked because there were complaints and differences caused for inactivity. This gives the allusion of working together but it was a terrible mistake to mix the forum with 2 difference communities.

Issues were not resolved they were just hidden and tampered down by mods,infractions and, bans.

Banning people causing drama was more than due to be done imo. Also with the introduction of vets the bracket just changed big time. So why shouldnt TI change to represent the bracket accordingly. Solo que into mostly f2ps groups is a thing of the past. People scatter their chars across different account types, so it seems logical to me to keep TI forums together. Id rather have 1 (2 with 20-29) active forum than 2 (3) less active ones.

 

[Trialmop]

I think its best the way it is now. Tags work just fine and I have not seen drama here in a long time which really surprised me tbh.
Yes, f2p and vet are not the same. However with so many people (like me) playing both, there is no need for 2 forums.
Also I dont see a value in the point, that f2ps would be able to organize events or something similar better this way. Does not make sense to me, this is perfectly possible the way it is now.

A level 20 forum and a 20-29 forum seems like the best option to me.

I haven't seen a vet organized event since vet existed lol. F2P doesn't need the Help or Info Vets offer.

 

[Trialmop]

I do understand many use Vet and F2P but if Vets had their own section focus on F2P community events/problems would be more center of attention. I know a lot of people that only check the first page of a forum and if a f2p makes a thread for something within hours it will be off the front page because Vets are constantly in the spotlight. This is another reason why I think if they had their separate forums it would benefit F2P. We would also see how well Vets are able to Organize events for themselves or if they would even try. All I have been seeing is Vets Q BGs.

 

[Björke]

I haven't seen a vet organized event since vet existed lol. F2P doesn't need the Help or Info Vets offer.

Vets advertise their guilds which counts as orginising if you ask me. I disagree, Vet info can be helpful to f2ps. Even if the info is just about something new and op like Felmouth Frenzy - Item - World of Warcraft and you keep implying that there is this big number of pure f2ps visiting this site, which I doubt tbh.

 

[Trialmop]

I think its best the way it is now. Tags work just fine and I have not seen drama here in a long time which really surprised me tbh.
Yes, f2p and vet are not the same. However with so many people (like me) playing both, there is no need for 2 forums.
Also I dont see a value in the point, that f2ps would be able to organize events or something similar better this way. Does not make sense to me, this is perfectly possible the way it is now.

A level 20 forum and a 20-29 forum seems like the best option to me.



Banning people causing drama was more than due to be done imo. Also with the introduction of vets the bracket just changed big time. So why shouldnt TI change to represent the bracket accordingly. Solo que into mostly f2ps groups is a thing of the past. People scatter their chars across different account types, so it seems logical to me to keep TI forums together. Id rather have 1 (2 with 20-29) active forum than 2 (3) less active ones.

Activity level should not dictate a forum. Vets are frozen P2P accounts that use items like the 20-29 forum. They belong there a lot more than with F2Ps. The bracket didn't really change that much other than a influx of p2ps which made some f2ps take a break or quit. Not to mention a number of f2ps I know got banned for 6 months.

 

[Activate]

I think its best the way it is now. Tags work just fine and I have not seen drama here in a long time which really surprised me tbh.
Yes, f2p and vet are not the same. However with so many people (like me) playing both, there is no need for 2 forums.
Also I dont see a value in the point, that f2ps would be able to organize events or something similar better this way. Does not make sense to me, this is perfectly possible the way it is now.

A level 20 forum and a 20-29 forum seems like the best option to me.

I can down a tree with a knife but an axe is much better suited to the job. Since you play trial, you know that we must work much harder to achieve our goals. Again our greatest strength is communication. It's not much, a seperate section, but utilized efficiently it can make an enormous impact. It really would be a shame to watch the trial legacy bleed out, when very small efforts can revive it. We have many options to overcome the challenges we face. We needed a dedicated place to nurture our creativity, which is the best way to improve the situation. Presentation is nothing trivial.

 

[Björke]

I do understand many use Vet and F2P but if Vets had their own section focus on F2P community events/problems would be more center of attention. I know a lot of people that only check the first page of a forum and if a f2p makes a thread for something within hours it will be off the front page because Vets are constantly in the spotlight. This is another reason why I think if they had their separate forums it would benefit F2P. We would also see how well Vets are able to Organize events for themselves or if they would even try. All I have been seeing is Vets Q BGs.

If you check this forum once a day, there are not that many threads commented on, that you would have to check the 2nd page to get all the new information. And I dont think there are numbers on how many people only the check the first page.

 

[Trialmop]

Vets advertise their guilds which counts as orginising if you ask me. I disagree, Vet info can be helpful to f2ps. Even if the info is just about something new and op like Felmouth Frenzy - Item - World of Warcraft and you keep implying that there is this big number of pure f2ps visiting this site, which I doubt tbh.

I never said "pure" at all. There are F2Ps that just want to keep their own section on TI. Vet info would not be missed at all. F2P have people like Chrystal who gives wonderful and useful information for f2ps. A Guild is a group not a event lol. Vets have not done as much organized events as f2p within the period they existed. Vets having their own section might help them make 10v10 and arena events. They are p2p though, don't belong.

 

[Trialmop]

I can down a tree with a knife but an axe is much better suited to the job. Since you play trial, you know that we must work much harder to achieve our goals. Again our greatest strength is communication. It's not much, a seperate section, but utilized efficiently it can make an enormous impact. It really would be a shame to watch the trial legacy bleed out, when very small efforts can revive it. We have many options to overcome the challenges we face. We needed a dedicated place to nurture our creativity, which is the best way to improve the situation. Presentation is nothing trivial.

Even if Vets and F2Ps had the same goals(most don't) No system Q events and wpvp would give advantage to the P2P vets and defeat the purpose of the events.

 

[Yde]

I think it's an important point that the current level of activity shouldn't factor into the decision. Bracket activity comes and goes. F2P might be in a lull right now, but might pick up again in the future.

I think it's more about the differences in potentially relevant information, and sorting information is the point of subforums.

The fact that there are fewer F2P activities might make a separate F2P forum look slow for a while, but relevant threads wouldn't be bumped off the first page.

 

[Trialmop]

i think it's an important point that the current level of activity shouldn't factor into the decision. Bracket activity comes and goes. F2p might be in a lull right now, but might pick up again in the future.

I think it's more about the differences in potentially relevant information, and sorting information is the point of subforums.

The fact that there are fewer f2p activities might make a separate f2p forum look slow for a while, but relevant threads wouldn't be bumped off the first page.

exactly!

 

[Trialmop]

I think it's an important point that the current level of activity shouldn't factor into the decision. Bracket activity comes and goes. F2P might be in a lull right now, but might pick up again in the future.

I think it's more about the differences in potentially relevant information, and sorting information is the point of subforums.

The fact that there are fewer F2P activities might make a separate F2P forum look slow for a while, but relevant threads wouldn't be bumped off the first page.

This is why we need YDE!

 

[Yde]

This is why we need YDE!

Haha, thanks. Just sharing my opinion.

Swoops and Björke do make good points, and the status quo seems fine, I just feel the disadvantages of a forum split are fairly insignificant and an added subsection would create a clutter-free platform for future F2P activities.[

P.S: Hallo Björke, es ist sehr toll zu sehen, dass du noch spielst!