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Sosaye said:
yep
i have more 19 twinks than anything. i don't play 19s that much anymore, although i have played on my paladin recently. skill > class.
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yep
i have more 19 twinks than anything. i don't play 19s that much anymore, although i have played on my paladin recently. skill > class.
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[char=Bloodscalp]Trashmob[/char]Mother Goose said:
if it's not unbalanced, then taking them away won't matter.
BTW, 21 stam > 4 stam and 4 int.
i'd rather have the HoT.
i realize mining sucks.
skinning is for mainly AP builds and such.
150 engineering is easily attainable by a 19, twink or non-twink.
are they overpowered? sure. 2k bandage vs a random pug with bandages that heal for ~400. seems unfair by the logic i'm using.
to say there's no imbalance is kind of weird : /
it's +7 stam for hat, and then with libram +170 hp. if you discount engineering, it's +250 hp. random pugs will have 250 less hp, or 170 less if they got the engineering goggles
for clothies, fishing boots + boar's speed has 17 more stamina than the next best boots if you want minor speed. for leather wearers, the difference is a bit less, and for mail wearers it's just a stam stacking item. but it is pretty overpowering for casters.
again...
skill > gear
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Maj said:
it's more like you're getting paid that last paycheck.
you have the advantages still. once the company closes down, your checks stop coming. but the company is still up, so you're still getting paid.
when 3.1 hits, the company is going down.
see my point?
if you've had fishing gear for quite sometime, you've had the advantages for a very long time. the work you put in was probably worth it. sure the company is shutting down, but you've earned a ton of money.
for anyone that just got their fishing gear recently, that BLOWS. all i can say about that lol
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anyways, i want to make this clear. i do support the upcoming changes because they will allow puggers to play a fairer game. however, it does suck that all that time and work is going to be taken away in 3.1.
i just hope everyone sees what is, IMO, the bigger picture, and ask: what will these gear changes do for the fundamentals of the 19 bracket?
my answer: it will allow for twinks to continue to be twinks, and retain mainly the same twink balance as before, while allowing puggers to play in fairer games.
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Rayekk said:
i guess to each their own. some will be mad about the changes because their enjoyment of getting gear that takes work will be gone.. some won't care for it because their way of having fun is just playing in twink BGs. (i know that personally, i hate the gear grind, i just want to go out and play some games.) i just hope you look at what is IMO the bigger picture: what WSG will be like in 3.1, not what work you have lost to 3.1.
woot for quadruple post. i guess there's a reason i have so many posts
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I wouldn't have been upset if they had implemented only one or two of these changes; in fact, i would've been extremely happy. People DID have too much health, and taking away 400ish or so of it would've been fine.
But when Blizz starts to take away what is starting to look like 1k or more life, its too much. Its like a building; take away too many supports and it comes crashing down.
I support these changes, but its beginning to look like too much. If by balance Blizz means hunters/rogues as king, then I guess they hit the mark.
But when Blizz starts to take away what is starting to look like 1k or more life, its too much. Its like a building; take away too many supports and it comes crashing down.
I support these changes, but its beginning to look like too much. If by balance Blizz means hunters/rogues as king, then I guess they hit the mark.
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Druiddroid said:if it's not unbalanced, then taking them away won't matter.
BTW, 21 stam > 4 stam and 4 int.
it's +7 stam for hat, and then with libram +170 hp. if you discount engineering, it's +250 hp. random pugs will have 250 less hp, or 170 less if they got the engineering goggles
for clothies, fishing boots + boar's speed has 17 more stamina than the next best boots if you want minor speed. for leather wearers, the difference is a bit less, and for mail wearers it's just a stam stacking item. but it is pretty overpowering for casters.
again...
skill > gear
21 stam? The point is BC enchants should be level 35+ making your arguement on boots being unbalanced worthless.
12 stam + cloth armor = 4 stam 4 int 8 spellpower cloth armor pretty much
12 stam + cloth armor < 9 stam and mail armor < 7 stam, 3 strength and mail armor
12 stam + cloth armor < 3 strength, 8 agility and leather armor < 3 stam, 7 agility and leather armor < 6 stam, 6 agility and leather armor
And before you say well why would I want boots anyways then, its because I WORKED for them. Maybe I like having max fishing skill for instance?
Hat is 15 stam, goggles are 8 stam and 7 spirit. While stamina may be more important of a stat it is still 15 stats, and if they didn't nerf spirit then the goggles are arguably just as good depending on who you are. Since spirit is nerfed why not change that on goggles to 8 stam and 7 int or something useful?
Oh and what do librams have to do with it? They can be applied easier to goggles than hat as you can do it yourself and they're being removed with the patch anyways...don't see where you were going with the addition of librams there.
Nerfing a piece of gear that people put hours and hours of work into, not to mention sheer dedication, research at times is completely wrong when you can just nerf the 35 BC enchant that can be put on them. Period end of story there is no arguement against that Druid I'm sorry.
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Mother Goose said:
so then you shouldn't use the fishing boots. yes you worked for them, but they are not the best anymore.
so what's the big deal about them being 35+?
again, it sucks that the work is tarnished, but it's not going to take much more work to get better boots.
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Druiddroid said:
You're avoiding the entire point, why should fishing boots be 35+?
And why should the BC enchant (that you're really complaining about tbh when it comes to 'balance') not be 35+?
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they just are. that's how blizzard made them. as for why, hell i don't know.Mother Goose said:
i was talking about pre-3.1, sorry.
anyways, if fishing boots are taken away, it's not going to be a huge loss. same with hat.
loss of fishing gear isn't a big deal.
ok guys... first fo all, have you considered that maybe, just maybe, they were gonna put a level requirements on EVERYTHING, thus twinks would end up being people with enchants and nothing more. did it happen to you... i actually think blizz is putting out everything we have. not because they don't like twinks, but because twinks are not suppose to be what we have now. i mean, if for you twinks is all about having more gears then others and having easy killing, then sorry to say, but that was never suppose to be in the first place. i can't wait to see what 3.1 will bring balance wise, they had been waiting for at least 4 years before even starting to notice their PVP had problems, too big for our needs.
as for the ugy who said i was contradciting myself in my latest post...
guess what nope i wasn't... casters do get hits the more then others... they use life to survive while other dps do not. but then again with more SP to back them up, with less life on everyone else too, that fireball of the mage is bound to hurt when it lands. not to mention all that +hit rating we suddently get.
rogues/hunters/paladins, being the all time class in BG because they are OP. i'm sorry to say, people do not create them because they are OP, they create them cause they are the easiest to twink. want me to proove this to you, simple, buy a fishing book for 1G and put it on AH for 10G, you will be surprised to see it get sold during the next 24hours. same goes for Rumsey Rum black label, i bough like 5G of em, that's like 250. more thne enough for me to handle a few months of BG. but i decided to put 100 of them in AH... 5 at a time instead of 10, i sold em 10G for 5, guess what, they all sold, all 100 of them... point prooved. people are lazy !
other classes needs you to do quest, needs you to do a few chains, gets a few things in dungeons. most people only look at AH, heck i even met people that actually thought twinks meant being equipped all blue ! so why would people actually create casters when they are easy to kill and very hard to gear ?
hunters and rogues being OP in all brackets is just that, a myth !
we are killable, we are easier then people think.
the only thing is, not everybody is weak.
you just met the wrong people or you're skill needs a boost !
1v1 i own everybody, in a BG, i get owned more often, worse they suddently decides to kick my ass everytime they see me 5 v 1.
it all depends on what happens, and your skills, not the class you're playing !
EDIT:
i do agree on one thing though...
item level shouldn'T be at all
after all its what causes the problem to begin with.
thus all item level should be the same as required level !
thus if you see venomstrike as an item level 24, shouldn'T it be a level 24 item to begin with ?
wouldn't that breaks everything we know ?
wouldn't that makes things a lot easier for blizz and for us ?
as for the ugy who said i was contradciting myself in my latest post...
guess what nope i wasn't... casters do get hits the more then others... they use life to survive while other dps do not. but then again with more SP to back them up, with less life on everyone else too, that fireball of the mage is bound to hurt when it lands. not to mention all that +hit rating we suddently get.
rogues/hunters/paladins, being the all time class in BG because they are OP. i'm sorry to say, people do not create them because they are OP, they create them cause they are the easiest to twink. want me to proove this to you, simple, buy a fishing book for 1G and put it on AH for 10G, you will be surprised to see it get sold during the next 24hours. same goes for Rumsey Rum black label, i bough like 5G of em, that's like 250. more thne enough for me to handle a few months of BG. but i decided to put 100 of them in AH... 5 at a time instead of 10, i sold em 10G for 5, guess what, they all sold, all 100 of them... point prooved. people are lazy !
other classes needs you to do quest, needs you to do a few chains, gets a few things in dungeons. most people only look at AH, heck i even met people that actually thought twinks meant being equipped all blue ! so why would people actually create casters when they are easy to kill and very hard to gear ?
hunters and rogues being OP in all brackets is just that, a myth !
we are killable, we are easier then people think.
the only thing is, not everybody is weak.
you just met the wrong people or you're skill needs a boost !
1v1 i own everybody, in a BG, i get owned more often, worse they suddently decides to kick my ass everytime they see me 5 v 1.
it all depends on what happens, and your skills, not the class you're playing !
EDIT:
i do agree on one thing though...
item level shouldn'T be at all
after all its what causes the problem to begin with.
thus all item level should be the same as required level !
thus if you see venomstrike as an item level 24, shouldn'T it be a level 24 item to begin with ?
wouldn't that breaks everything we know ?
wouldn't that makes things a lot easier for blizz and for us ?
Xposure
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So.. looking more and more like these changes go live. So, what should I do? I was planning on fishing with my warrior this sunday. But, he allready got hat, and since there is a slight chance the boots will be unavaiable for 19s, should I just fish on some of my twinks who has got none of the fishing gear? Many of my twinks miss it tbh.
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Xposure said:
Well, at the minimum, the boots will no longer allow you to have a BC enchant on them (given the way the PTR is going) and that being the case, they're not as "epic" as they once where. Sure, they're good for a stam set, but not much else. Add to the pot that they may have a level 35 requirement then I'd say you're better off spending your Sunday doing something you love/want to do rather than trying to fish up these boots.
It’s a gamble either way, and I tend to play the odds, not the longshots; and the fishing boots remaining unchanged in 3.1 is certainly a longshot.
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3.1 sucks. look at the priests SS ont he front page. fully twinked with like 1500 hp on live and not even 500 on the ptr. this is rediculous. as for the fishing gear, its so dumb to take these away. ive spent the past 3 years fishing on various toons and have only caught 2 hats . but those that have the boots deserve to keep them, as for some they spent a ton of time to get these. also, that one argument about the paycheck and enjoying them while they last, im sure that some people just got them recently and are going to be taken away soon, they have minimal enjoyment of this accomplishment. things are just going to be rediculously unbalanced in all brackets. who cares about non twinks really in bgs? theyre just going to level out the next day or whatever. were here to stay in our respective brackets, we should be able to enjoy it. being on the same level gear and statswise as people just bging before they level totally defeats the purpose of twinking imo.
. but those that have the boots deserve to keep them, as for some they spent a ton of time to get these. also, that one argument about the paycheck and enjoying them while they last, im sure that some people just got them recently and are going to be taken away soon, they have minimal enjoyment of this accomplishment. things are just going to be rediculously unbalanced in all brackets. who cares about non twinks really in bgs? theyre just going to level out the next day or whatever. were here to stay in our respective brackets, we should be able to enjoy it. being on the same level gear and statswise as people just bging before they level totally defeats the purpose of twinking imo.
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Unstablle said:
a priest that can have that much health, mana, and spellpower is rediculous.
who cares?!
do you ever join pug games?
most games aren't even 1/2 twinks. to say 'who cares' is pretty ignorant. not only do they take up 1/2 of the BGs, they are also leveling in and out of the brackets, so there are FAR more non-twinks than twinks.
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yeah but it takes away the factor when you enter a game and see that one feared player or guild on the enemy team. now its like oh, everyone has the same gear, so its completely even. i dont play 19s to make the games completely even. i hope were outtwinked so we have to work harder to win. i geared my various twinks of the 19 and 39 bracket to hopefully make a difference. i certainly didnt twink to be on an even footing with people just leveling through.
im not saying who cares about non twinks in general, just about them in bgs. this isnt the sole purpose them playing this game. i dont just play twinks really, i enjoy leveling at times (usually to make another twink though lol). i dont mean to be ignorant although it seems it came off as that, but to spend all that time and money to get an advantage over nontwinks, and to be able to compete with the better twinks and players in general (gear and skillwise) makes it so much more fun. now, as i said before, its just like why am i spending all my time doing this when people who dont even twink are on the same footing?
im not saying who cares about non twinks in general, just about them in bgs. this isnt the sole purpose them playing this game. i dont just play twinks really, i enjoy leveling at times (usually to make another twink though lol). i dont mean to be ignorant although it seems it came off as that, but to spend all that time and money to get an advantage over nontwinks, and to be able to compete with the better twinks and players in general (gear and skillwise) makes it so much more fun. now, as i said before, its just like why am i spending all my time doing this when people who dont even twink are on the same footing?
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Unstablle said:
oh noes, we're on even footing. ROFL.
come ON, you have to be kidding. i'm not trying to be insulting, but i mean how can you want it to be so unfair?
that's how it will be, amongst everyone.
now anyone that has skill will shine, if they are experienced 19s or just leveling through.
it will be more skillbased. what's wrong with that?
just an FYI - someone who is just leveling through and paying no attention to gear will still have worse gear. to get the best gear it does take some effort to get. so twinks will probably still have a slight advantage over non-twinks. it will just be less of an advantage.
Unstablle
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lol people dont make 19 pvp chars with no enchants and bad gear, they make them stacked with the best possible gear and chants so were not on an even footing with everyone. as for the 3.1 changes, everyone can get enchants for little to no gold. people will use them to level faster as well as twink.