Salute, Nat Pagle's.

[Druiddroid]

Imbad i hear what your saying that it makes it more fair for everyone, and i completely agree with that. I like fairness in PVP. Regarding this matter though, one thing that keeps me playing wow is the satisfaction and hard work it took to get certain items/gear etc. For instance, when i got 12 Arena Masters and made my AGM, it made me very happy to know my hard work and month of trying to solo gurabashi for the chest paid off. Is AGM extremelely overpowered? Everyone knows the answer to that. Can anyone, even the level 1 toon get it? Yes, with some long work. Are you seeing my point? AGM, Fishing gear and the like seperate the hardcore twinkers from the casual twinkers, and theres nothing wrong with casual twinkers might i add.

well, personally i like the changes. i like to see the effects: what will these changes do fundamentally to brackets? i don't like to focus on things like how much work it took to get the stuff. that's just me though.



i guess that maybe some people who twink won't like the changes because their gear will be taken away. that sucks for them (and me), and i hope they keep playing despite their work being tarnished.

 

[iaccidentallytwink]

for 14's too.



except there aren't many 14 vs 14 battles

I don't mean 14 vs 14. I mean 10, 14, 15 vs 19.

 

[Bromrotama]

well, personally i like the changes. i like to see the effects: what will these changes do fundamentally to brackets? i don't like to focus on things like how much work it took to get the stuff. that's just me though.



i guess that maybe some people who twink won't like the changes because their gear will be taken away. that sucks for them (and me), and i hope they keep playing despite their work being tarnished.

Honestly, im also excited about the changes. I think its going to shake things up and sorta make things fresh in a way. Im def going to keep playing, and i also hope everyone else does.

 

[yesugie]

I'm not sure how I feel about this one, the part of me that saw them as a mark of a completed twink wishes they would leave them alone, but it will open up a lot of other choices for that stat slot and remove TBC enchants from the bracket without bliz having to put a lvl on the TBC chants.



I just think we need to see what else they have planned before focusing on all the things being taken away.

 

[Druiddroid]

I don't mean 14 vs 14. I mean 10, 14, 15 vs 19.

if you're a perfectly geared 14, you won't beat a perfectly geared 19 of the same skill level, pre-3.1 and post-3.1. at least from what i've seen (never seen any good 14s TBH)



it does suck that 3.1 looks to take away many of your advantages. in fact, it may ruin 10/14 twinks altogether. i just hope you move up to 19s or keep playing at 14 and are happy with the changes. certainly the level 14 crowd is going to get hit really hard with the changes to fishing gear

 

[Mother Goose]

I'm still trying to grasp at the unbalance of fishing hat and fishing boots.



So is Engineering unbalanced now? I mean you can get a sheep that can unstealth rogues and do 300 burst dmg, you can get goggles that no one else can get that have 15 stats on them (same as hat mind you). I mean let's be serious here it's getting a bit out of hand.



Fishing boots before TBC were rarely used by classes other than cloth users why... well because they weren't that great without BC enchants. Now cloth users have the, imo, better option of Spidersilk 4 int, 4 stam, 8 spellpower (16 stats mind you, boots only has 12).



I just don't get it at all. What's unbalanced again?

 

[Rayekk]

Just so you understand, I’m not QQing of the gear aspect- but moreover the fact that they are taking away something that I earned, and not easily either. Just like AGM, getting the fishing gear takes more than just a decision to “show up;” it requires leveling your fishing to 225 (arguably the most BORING aspect to the game) and then fish in a zone where everything can kill you during a contest that happens once a week for only two hours in the HOPES that you’ll land the right rare spawn fish. To me, it would be the same as if you have a level 80 hunter, and Blizzard came back and said “Hunters where OP while you leveled from 70 to 80, so we’re resetting your level back to 70- happy grinding!”



It’s complete and total BS. And those of you who are preaching the Skill>gear argument, that may be true, but Class>skill is true to- don’t believe me? Dual a hunter with any other class and see how far you get.

 

[Noo]

Ouch on the hat.



I would expect them to change that as well....but then again...who really knows?

I doubt they will tbh. Reason Nat Pagle's got a lvl req. was because it's iLvL is 35+, therefore giving a lvl 35 item to a lvl 19. If this is the case, I wouldn't be suprised if Inferno Robe, and level 29 items (that are iLvL 35+) that get level requirements.

 

[Zuty]

Ultimatium: If you have the fishing boots on your 19, you deserve a free Turtle mount.



I really do applaud you all for your work on getting them. I was to lazy to work on them, but I do see this as a nice change and a step in the right direction. You have to remember that EVERYONE is going to feel this, so don't think that you'll be gimped while other 19s run around in Fishing Boots with TBC chants on them.



When I did play, I hated getting into pugs. I'd either face a team who all have Fishing gear or be on the team with all the fishing gear. (and usually get asked to leave because I didn't have fishing boots/hat) So either it was a slaughter or it got really boring. I enjoyed fighting other twinks and saying that you twinked because you liked wearing OP gear is just feeding into the BS that anti-twink players talk about.



If these really do make it to live, I am sure you'll all be over it within a week. But seriously, Turtle Mounts for all you boot wearers.



~Zuty

 

[lofi]

So after reading this entire thread I'm still unsure as to what's changed. Is the quest unavailable? Will this affect those who already have the boots? Do the boots have an added "Requires Level 35" to them? Wowhead PTR still has no info about this. Can someone please post a picture to confirm. Thanks.

 

[Bansil]

http://www.wowhead.com/?item=19969



itemlevel 40 -> useable at 35. thats it.



hat will be the next one and then they have to fix the enchants. enchanting 150+ is skillable at lvl 20, so no enchants 150+ should be in this bracket and so on...

welcome to minor stats (+1)!

 

[Druiddroid]

So is Engineering unbalanced now? I mean you can get a sheep that can unstealth rogues and do 300 burst dmg, you can get goggles that no one else can get that have 15 stats on them (same as hat mind you). I mean let's be serious here it's getting a bit out of hand.

herbalism gives a HoT. skinning gives you extra crit. also, you can level profs as you go up. it's not like it's difficult to level a profession, as long as you do it as you level.

Fishing boots before TBC were rarely used by classes other than cloth users why... well because they weren't that great without BC enchants. Now cloth users have the, imo, better option of Spidersilk 4 int, 4 stam, 8 spellpower (16 stats mind you, boots only has 12).

and it's past TBC. and we've moved into an era where you can either get +21 stam boots or 4/4 cloth boots. now blizzard is changing it again.



in 3.1, supposedly spidersilk will be wearable by 19s and be one of the best boots. so wear those.

I just don't get it at all. What's unbalanced again?

if there's not much of a difference between fishing gear and the other gear you can get, then there's not much reason to complain about their changes. which further proves my point that you can deal without them, less QQ more pewpew

 

[Druiddroid]

To me, it would be the same as if you have a level 80 hunter, and Blizzard came back and said “Hunters where OP while you leveled from 70 to 80, so we’re resetting your level back to 70- happy grinding!”

it's more like they're deleveling you back to 70, and resetting the cap at 70. you don't have to regrind to 80.



i realize that there is work being taken away. but you're basically being placed down closer to other peoples' levels, not below their level.

It’s complete and total BS. And those of you who are preaching the Skill>gear argument, that may be true, but Class>skill is true to- don’t believe me? Dual a hunter with any other class and see how far you get.

actually, anyone who can use LoS well should be able to beat most hunters.



skill > class





anyways, i just hope that everyone sees what is IMO the bigger picture -- what will the changes do to the fundamentals of the bracket?

 

[Bromrotama]

it's more like they're deleveling you back to 70, and resetting the cap at 70. you don't have to regrind to 80.

Cited for a much more accurate analogy

 

[Xposure]

This is sounding more and more like a april's fool joke... removing all twinks benefits that has been there for ages from all the sudden, that just isn't true.

 

[Rip]

@Natasya

Thank you for letting us know about this change, you'll see a post about this on the front page later this afternoon (with some /props to you, ofcourse)

 

[Rayekk]

it's more like they're deleveling you back to 70, and resetting the cap at 70. you don't have to regrind to 80.

I guess that depends on how you look at it, and if you already have viable twink boots. For a hunter/rogue that has the fishing boots and not the Feet of the Lynx, they are certainly going to have to "grind" something, be it gold, or a specific boss, in order to remain competitive.



And while yes, LoS works with a hunter, it still is very environment-specific, and not a true "skill" component. My point: you cannot count on being able to LoS as you can a class ability, say like concessive shot + webs + hamstring + kite. Or range issues, or tracking stealth. In my opinion, if you really want to make the Skill>everything else, then you have to consider it pure; IE a duel using class skills and not being reliant on the environment.

 

[shanker]

i don't believe Blizz should nerf the item to req-35 to equip. the real problem is the BC enchants. if they flag them to req-35+ in order for them to be active, that would fix all the gear loopholes at once in 19 and 29 brackets. they should have consider just making the fishing boots a lvl-34 item, that way they can't receive BC enchants and would make current BC enchants inactive



i was on PTR last night and totally missed this one. i have a 10 and two 19's with these. my 19 rogue is set with back-up "feet of the lynx" and "footpads of the fang". my 19 hunter had trailblazer boots but i vended them long ago, will have to farm the boots from WC. my 10 rogue will either be deleted once 3.1 rolls or leveled to 39/49.



once PTR server is up, i will go on and leave feedback. hopefully others who have twinks on there do the same. i'm sure some classes would still want these even if not BC enchantible

 

[Goner]

I like the other changes. But this one is a little annoying just because it is available to everyone for the same amount of work. Maybe slightly more work now that 80s are trying for salty titles, but it was never easy to get.



Mostly I am just against nerfs to fishing gear because they have almost always been in the bracket... way before BC. It doesn't make sense to nerf an item that only limitation is suppose to be having the correct fishing skill.

 

[Tetox]

Yeah right, gear balance is the reason you started twinking :S.

Isn't twinking trying to max out all your items, spells and gear?



I'm just saying: A normal non-twink hunter is now hard enough to take down.. When i'm downscaled (equal to the hunter in gear) there is no possible way to kill him, can't even annoy him with my lousy dmging spells.



GRMPF!

Wow...it sounds like you are terrible at this game. You have decided that you will be unable to beat an untwinked lvl 19 hunter just because you lost fishing gear? Jesus fucking christ your awful