Why are 29s so attached to their twinks? Why couldnt they just adapt and make a new 20?
Yes, adapting is making 20s and queueing to get crushed by Enanolo’s new 29 Surv match after match. The idea that the sentiment of a handful of zealous f2p players on a forum could influence every low-level twinker in WoW to resist running 25/27/29s in a new 20-29 xp-off Twink bracket is asinine.
This is where I personally see the issue. Most ppl here, when they say “we need to adapt”, they mean “20s need to swallow it”. If they would care even a tiny bit about a healthy bracket, competition and other buzzwords, they would also just level 20s.
and i get that we aren’t paying customers, and why would they gimp themselves and all the other bullshit, and it’s completely okay, but then get off your high horse, and don’t act like you care about the bracket and competition.
Again, there’s some dissonance here. I absolutely care about the bracket and competition because I see the reality that people will play non 20s - that’s just what happens in the face of a change like this from bliz.
The can of worms is opened and it's straight stubborn denial to think that everyone could be convinced to drop their plans and go back to playing level 20 in the face of the newly available options (many of which are enjoyable specs that were just recently under-kitted/unviable, and which now stand a better chance at pressuring the lol29survs).
If you want to keep the bracket alive, you don’t just go against the changing momentum by not queueing or only queueing 20s and ranting at others to only make 20s. That will just cause more disillusionment, less balance in BGs, and less pops for everyone. But if you genuinely love f2p and don't mind dropping PvP/simply don't want to join this new fray, then that's obviously the healthy choice to make.
"20s need to adapt or die" is pretty rich from a bunch of people who have spent 2 years crying about their precious 27s but never made any effort to get a scene going. The audacity to now latch onto a bracket and activity built and nurtured by 20s and demand that we continue to fuel your games while preaching like you somehow overcame adversity to play your twinks again... just complete lol
To me, the adapt or die sentiment isn’t about past scenes. it’s just looking at what Bliz has put right there in front of us, right now. For a lot of people, the recent f2p bracket’s scene was nurtured by it being the only low-level xp off instanced PvP option. It also had fast queues and access to levelers.
Yes, non-die-hard f2p twinks converged on the the bracket and didn’t engage deeply in the scene. And they didn’t need to due to the circumstances of how the PvP was shaped. While it’s important for some die-hards to lean into their hardcore scene, that’s not how everyone plays. People don’t need to have to cared about nurturing an old 27/29 scene to justify playing what’s available now.
Many twinks (less so on this site) are casual players that went harder in the old days but play less now and just want to queue into what’s available. And that’s fine. We don’t need to all have a years-long obsession and investment into a bracket to justify playing it how Blizzard shapes it today.
Kill the bracket ques Once the ques die blizz will respond.
the only way 29s will get pops is by multi account afk queuing. That will get noticed quickly.
Take it to the forums and open ptr bug reports. Daily. Log in starter edition accounts and complain there as well.
I don’t think Bliz cares that much if this xp-off bracket dies. Look at how they killed the other twink brackets without care. And they already just showed they were willing to nuke the bracket for f2ps.
This move to separate queues was for levelers wellbeing, not twinks. Which isn’t surprising, as the f2p twink group is minuscule in volume compared to the group of paying levelers/genuine trialers.
Is anyone here complaining about that? Or are we just laughing at 29s and going about our day?
While you’re better at feigning detachment, I disagree that people haven’t been genuinely complaining about it over the past week. They have.
