Question about f2p twinks / 20-24 twinks

[Nohealsforju]

i get mad at 20s who do not play objectively and are bad... Even at 24s. Sometimes i get mad after losing 3 games 2 of which my team gets farmed. It gets annoying.

Ya i hate how most 20s on my team, when we are losing i tell them to do things. Then when they don't do what i told them right i point it out. They just say "well you think you are not good but you are terrible look at XXX look at you XXX done". I tell them "well this is CtF not death match i am the one trying to run the flag returning them or PLAYING CtF!" It gets annoying going into a game and people think Wsg is a death match.

 

[wut]

Except you had a choice when you entered this bracket, and you chose the option that requires the least skill possible. Speaks volumes mate

Says an ally hunter....

Again, you're saying that as if it's gospel, when really what you should be doing is backing what you say up. Allow me:


Miacon @ Bronze Dragonflight - Game Guide - World of Warcraft <--- Alliance

Anotherhuntr @ The Venture Co - Game Guide - World of Warcraft <--- Horde


This horde hunter isn't even 100% perfect (enchants), and his stats are almost the same as my own, with his hit rating actually exceeding my own. Even taking into account his extra AGM, it all boils down to a minute amount of damage and a negligible difference in hp. Skill will render such differences obsolete, period. I'll say it again, it's a reduntant argument used by bads.

You have:
+50 hp (even with the orc having Mining and +1 sta on bracers)
+22ap
+2% crit

And you're hit capped, the orc needs 7% hit cap if he doesnt want to miss against Nelfs

 

[Insects]

Isn't Maratian the one who bots all the time for HKs?

/derail sorry
carry on.

 

[Silinrul]

This thread has remained constructive, for the most part, until now. Please refrain from turning it in a direction where it would have to be locked and possible infractions issued. Ty <3

 

[verh]

Miacon, you not only have more attack power and crit, but you geared easier and faster to have better gear. Not only that, but he doesn't have a trinket in order to have the same amount of health (Yes, racials do count as a faction advantage).

 

[Geerraa]

Scoobydrood, just ignore the haters and salute the players that actually play for team, help others, know their classes and "how to" against opponents.
Good to see a geared flagcarrier on ally also who play his class well.

Cya in bgs!

 

[Omghax]

Touching on gear balance between factions, if one really looks at the issue in detail (and not just "QQ you haz eyepatch!!1!"), it really shouldn't be an issue at all. When looking at stats cumulatively, Alliance BiS vs horde BiS across all classes pans out surprisingly even. The point is, assuming even compositions, the better (i.e. more skilled) team should win. Anyone who even mentions the eyepatch is looking for a scapegoat.

To be fair there is a slight gear advantage to most classes on ally side.

The real issue though is ease of gearing on ally side. I am so sick of my only opportunity to get a LFH being a 2 hr window involving RNG.

But to your point, yes all things being equal skill is the most important part. But all things are not being equal ;p

Bob

 

[Riotxo]

Again, you're saying that as if it's gospel, when really what you should be doing is backing what you say up. Allow me:


Miacon @ Bronze Dragonflight - Game Guide - World of Warcraft <--- Alliance

Anotherhuntr @ The Venture Co - Game Guide - World of Warcraft <--- Horde


This horde hunter isn't even 100% perfect (enchants), and his stats are almost the same as my own, with his hit rating actually exceeding my own. Even taking into account his extra AGM, it all boils down to a minute amount of damage and a negligible difference in hp. Skill will render such differences obsolete, period. I'll say it again, it's a reduntant argument used by bads.

You forget, that's a BiS hunter. You can make that Alliance hunter (minus AGM's) in a day. As someone previously posted, you have better stats in every way except hit (but you're both capped so the extra hit is useless). In a bracket where the overall stat count is very low, the amount of stats you have over the other guy is pretty important (hence why your calling out his lack of enchants is ironic since that gives all of 25 HP or 15 HP/1AP/.03% crit). Moreover, he uses mining, which gives him a little more stamina than he already would have. Lets move on to what would happen if you dueled him. Well, he'd disarm you, and you would trinket, because you're a human. Now, lets say he has his trinket on, well lets cut down his HP by another 14 (since he is Surv). That makes a pretty big difference. He's now almost 200 HP below you. Moreover, he had to fish and farm a LOT for the gear that he has. I can get your gear minus the AGM in a day (as I said before) which means that the large majority of Alliance hunters (and rogues, warriors, ferals etc) far outgear Horde twinks. That's what leads to most PuGs going in the way of the Alliance.

At the end of the day, you sound like someone that has never played Horde; I've played Alliance and seen the difference.

 

[l30t53dd6p]

^ This, just proved my point. Thanks.

As for "good 24's" on EU, there are only 2 imo, Geera the mage, and Alpha (or something like that) the warrior. All the others are remarkably unremarkable in their play style, sorry.

Its Alphasky btw hes a level 20 f2p, a very nice guy and fun to play with ^^ Im glad we stand for the same things when it comes to ab and wsg.

 

[l30t53dd6p]

Really he should be taking skinning and +1 agi on bracers to maximise damage output anyway.

I don't agree with you on this. 1 agi is 2 ap wich hardly gives you dps increase and crit is a chance and he allready got 20 wich is a nice amount and you just have 2% more chance, thats nothing you wont increase dps in huge amounts with that. He did the right thing for a horde hunter seeing as they have way lesser stamina compared to any alliance hunter and he has to switch his agm with the pvp trinket every time compared to your human hunter.

 

[wut]

^ Which isn't significant enough to QQ about and use as a scapegoat for lost games.

Not QQ, just stating facts.
Those differences between bis hunters may be relative small,but compared to f2p enchants/armor kits they are big.Yet people still level and drop profession to get those enchants.
Theres a reason for alliance having 3 times more hunters than the horde.

That being said, I also think that skill > huntards/24s. People cry too much about them.

 

[l30t53dd6p]

Lol mate, we're talking about +1 agi or +1 stam here. Saying +1 agi won't make much of a difference is an obvious and moot point, because the alternative is no more significant. Despite what some bads may say, a hunters primary function in bg's is to damage and kill, followed closely by CC/peeling. This makes maxing damage a priority. Looking at what +1 of agi or stam actually gives, agi gives ap plus crit at 20, while stam only gives hp. As an SV hunter, agi is multiplied by 10%, stam by 15%. Even though the stam multiplier is stronger, a hunter does best maxing damage, so it should be +1 agi, which the best hunters (at least in the eu) understand.

He still made the right choice as horde. Silly wall of text you writing about the 1 agi. And yes 1 stamina and his stamina from mining makes it combined obviously better then maxing dmg with just 1 agi lol. On horde it works different then alliance hunny due to other/lack of gear. This is how bad alliance hunters are born who dont pay attention to damage/health ratio, he needs the extra stamina on horde.

 

[epicf2p]

found out the BoA's can be obtained by f2p. so that answers why i seen 20's with them and no chants and i thought they were p2p.

 

[Kearbear]

found out the BoA's can be obtained by f2p. so that answers why i seen 20's with them and no chants and i thought they were p2p.

Yep. The way to tell at a glance if someone is f2p or not :

Guild - p2p
Above 20 - p2p
Head/Cloak BoA - p2p
Blizz Store Mount - p2p
Cataclysm race (worgen/goblin) - p2p

Anyone else is probably on a trial account, although there are those on full accounts that play with restrictions they're a minority.

 

[Scoobydrood]

I think might have flustered a 24 hunter while kiting around, navigating tunel roof :

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Now didn't think this qualified as new thread but since were flirting the idea of what is taboo and not , I'm quite certain they are not ' exploits ' but is it frowned upon to navigate the top of the Alliance/Horde tunels in this bracket?

PS: was that a threat ?

 

[Yde]

Now didn't think this qualified as new thread but since were flirting the idea of what is taboo and not , I'm quite certain they are not ' exploits ' but is it frowned upon to navigate the top of the Alliance/Horde tunels in this bracket?

PS: was that a threat ?

Uh, I didn't think it was frowned upon.

 

[Klinda]

I maybe a little late to this thread but no matter what people may think about the matter, it wont change the fact that more and more people will roll 24s just for the fact that it is easy, it's possible that we may even see more 24s than 20s in the future, i hope not but this bracket will continue to evolve so all we can do is wait and see

 

[l30t53dd6p]

I think might have flustered a 24 hunter while kiting around, navigating tunel roof :

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Now didn't think this qualified as new thread but since were flirting the idea of what is taboo and not , I'm quite certain they are not ' exploits ' but is it frowned upon to navigate the top of the Alliance/Horde tunels in this bracket?

PS: was that a threat ?

Your img is shopped there. It seems this is not the actual screenshot. Mods remove it please because its fake.

Also it makes me think about that you faked a screen here to prove something, i guess that guy there was right with you using exploits too.

 

[Scoobydrood]

I was taken aback when you accused me of shopping this screen , first of all when you accuse someone please elaborate why you think this was shopped don't just throw something out there so lightly. Coming from senior member too, this smells funny to me . " proving something ' your wrong on both occasions. I opened the image on paint to cut the chat box , uploaded on imgur and thats the extent of my ' shopping ' . Maybe you should have been more thorough and try contact that hunter to ask about what he meant by exploit before blatantly accusing new member of getting up to mischievous activities , not very healthy for community, I'm disappointed. Here is original screenshot , not sure why I should even upload this in the first place hope this avoids any unnecessary drama locking this thread :

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[l30t53dd6p]

First the reason why i didn't eleborate it was because i wanted to see a reaction from you wich worked perfectly.

Seccondly it looks like it has pixely blurr over there and cause of that it looks like it was placed inbetween of the chat. It feels like it doesn't belong in there. Now that i stretched this picture it has it all over the whole chat, not just the part i point to wich seemed the clearest.



Also this hunter in question told, you didn't reply at all so i assumed what i saw in your picture there, you replied, was shopped in. You can see it to when he says "ok then don't answer it" that he didn't got any reply and then said something cause he was annoyed not getting a reply about your exploiting and the consuquences that will bring if he meets you again. Most people don't confess they are exploiting and don't talk about it or just don't see the problem of exploiting like you do with asking "why it would make wsg worse".

Getting back to the exploiting part, he never talked to me about using tunnel tops or w/e but walljumping the fence wich is bannable and considdered as an exploit by blizzard.

I might have judged you to soon with this, my apologies but i trust my irl friends when they say you were using walljumps to try to get the flag to the otherside of wsg in an allready lost match and i advised him to make a ticket if he sees that happening again.