EU+US Private Server section / XPOff server?

[Mvq]

Okay, i agree with the idea of Tabards and Turtles, then. But i just don't agree with "It'd prob ruin the reputation of Twinking in Blizzards eyes, but we have no reason to care what Blizzard thinks of us." because all in all, this tournament is managed by people that are willing to take this project to a professional level, and this year they made a good example of it, posting an entire thread in a very professional way and so on. Dabbling into Illegal stuff would be a step back in a way, which is why i think the GG19 and Twink Cup organizers may not come to an agreement with this.

But why should we care what Blizzard thinks of us?

 

[Druiddroid]

How does creating this xpoff private server take more than a week? No offense.

 

[LennywBT]

But why should we care what Blizzard thinks of us?

I think we have to chose now, its one way or another. We either generate money from this site, and we know that Blizzard Entertainment, Mmo-champion... and other Blizzard sites have accounts here, and are in agreement to this page being the most popular Twinking forum.
So we either chose one method losing the other, perhaps forever.

 

[Mvq]

LMAO...

https://www.google.dk/webhp?sourcei...1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q="can+you+win+an+argument"

Here's millions who disagree with you.

 

[Hamcake]

How does creating this xpoff private server take more than a week? No offense.

I wouldn't want to make yet another garbage server, dunno what everyone else would be happy with. If I was involved in making another it would need to be at least a little bit different than what we've seen in the last 8 years

 

[Mvq]

Ah...
Wiki, kept up to date by the young and by the perpetually unemployed( different than the regular unemployed). What a great resource for information.

In all of those "millions"'of pages that you read, did any of them state there has to be two parties arguing? There seems to be only one. Care to guess which party that could possibly be?

So you don't think we were argueing? What in the world were we doing then? You had an opinion, I had an opinion, I tried to change your opinion, you tried to change my opinion.

And do you have a source to back up the statement that they're perpetually unemployed?

 

[Muskie]

i want a server run by @Cheesetoast and @Hamcake and i will give you my firstborn if its pre-cata

 

[Shadez]

Do it I'll donate cash and buy tcg items


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[Shadez]

Cata!


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[Aredruidsop]

I think this is a really interesting idea and part of me thinks it would be great for the website and our community. But then there is also the point of it being illegal which i do not like at all because i enjoy xpoff and its staff and i would be kinda sad if they got sued and knowing i was part of what caused it. I am looking forward to see how this turns out. (thanks for the good read ally and mvq)

 

[Hamcake]

to think it'd be sued means believing the server would attract a playerbase in the thousands. a nice dream, but it's not going to happen

 

[Powerlol]

Hi guys,

I did read the whole thread and I thought I could give my opinion too. PoV from a P.server player since almost 5y already.

I'ill present myself first if people don't know me.

I'm Powerlol and I'm playing twink since late vanilla/early BC.
Played w/ the frenchies such as (if people recognize them); Clysthene, Neverh, Xau, Spam, etc etc. I'ill prolly be unknown for alot of you guys because we didn't play in the same BG/language (Name was Powerpoweuse till Cataclysme, Isa bought me a xfer to the realm : Culte de la Rive Noire where I did change my name into Ðxz for the whole expansion.. Didn't play MoP and came back into WoD for a few months played w/ the frenchies on Draenor http://eu.battle.net/wow/fr/character/draenor/Powerlol/simple).
I did quit pre patch MoP expansion since I wasn't attracted to what was Twink on retail anymore. And I did start to play actively on private server. I did play on many servers (will not list them all but like +- 10) regarding twinks. Mostly 3.3.5a where the twink were more balanced than it was actually on retail. (Didn't say it was perfectly scripted tho, just regarding what every class could do against other classes, it was).

I'm not gonna go in a discussion like "Hey what u sayin ? MoP/WoD isn't about skill? wuuut u idiot m8"
I'ill just show 2 records :
Cønfident during MoP :

Madock during BC :

Feel free to discuss in which expansion we requires the most skills.

So here is my PoV of a 335a player:

So first of all, at the moment there is not a simply good private server(twink one). if you guys (hamcake tho) could make a decent (maybe the best) server that the twink scene have seen that would bring alot of people (Arthas ya know MVP). I do remember myself a server called cyclone19 which had 400 people on release and easily 200 online for the first month.. But yeah Macchiato released it and has quit his post as owner 1 week after the release. So it died quit easily. So if it's decent it will bring alot of people (and alot of people are actually playin 19s in 3.3.5a, there are Russians, polish, french, english people on different server) and I know alot of people who will be interested to play on a server that would be released by hamcake himself.

So it's 2 good points atm :
It will be surely active if it's good scripted and blizzlike
Will ofc make money for the TC


But.. I want some challenge !

In my opinion WoTLK (or even Cataclysme/BC) still gives more challenge than on retail(tl;dr look the video on youtube I did link). And why not bring the twink cup (non official, organized by the owner himself) on private server scene too and maybe doing it each year on another expansion (Since I saw alot of people askin for BC/Cataclysm server too, it goes like this :begin w/ BC ending w/ Cataclysm) which will bring more players into your server to actually afford more for the retail TC.


But.. But.. I want other things than a WoTLK server

At the moment, the most played by twinks is in the WoTLK expansion.. There are alot of WoTLK servers that makes it simply the most played in term of twinks. There are fews in Cataclysm & BC but not that many.. So if a server should release to afford money for the TC.. It should be FIRST a WoTLK. Then regarding to the community release a BC/Cataclysm later(tl;dr previous point makin a Non official TC in every expansion)


But.. But Blizzard is goin to shut us down?

Like MvP did say.. Only one server got shut down in the last 10y.. and it was Nostalrius.. Why ? Because alot of big streamers were playin on it like "Sodappopin, Alexsensuals, etc etc" that's the main reason how it got attention by Blizzard. I don't think a small community can get attention of those guy (not right now) and like MvP said we can only host it in russia. Like many other servers did.

So.. There is no risk at all.

So this was my point of view. I hope you guys will find it interesting. I don't have the perfect english, but I think I'm easily understandable

ps; do not want to flame but what ALLYBEBOBA said.. I think he's stupid.. Isn't he ?

Peace !

Powerlol

 

[partygirl]

It'll be fine now start working!! Xddd

 

[Cheesetoast]

I would donate my heart for another hamcake run server. hamcakeland 2.0.

 

[Mvq]

You were attempting to argue something with me. As I stated, it takes two to argue. I did not argue. What opinion did I try to change? You may have tried to sway my opinion by slandering me. (not a good tactic by the way)
One could state I am debating the point of you stating that you actually tried to argue with me. That is hardly arguing though. That is more of a defense.
You just have seem to have a difficult time realizing that I did not debate your point with you. What you don't understand is I never acknowledged your point. You even harped on that several times yourself.

Be excellent!

If you defend your opinion and I'm attacking it we're argueing. hello?

 

[Cheesetoast]

active if it's good scripted and blizlike

why not bring the twink cup (non official, organized by the owner himself) on private server scene too and maybe doing it each year on another expansion

At the moment, the most played by twinks is in the WoTLK expansion..

(:::

Didn't you and arrowdynamic win the cyclone 2v2? That pet stun 0.-

 

[Conq]

I would like to start by saying that on a moral level I have nothing against private servers, I use to create large guilds on twink private servers such as RiSeN WoW, Strife, World of Dalaran, and others. I had some of my most enjoyable moments in this game playing these servers, all of which I found on Twinkinfo.com.

Fast forward all these years and here I am, no longer a no name user, but an actual owner of XpOff. The two previous owners besides Myself, Drayner, and Myrm had no real interest in growing the online retail community outside of progressing their website. So there was a private server section during Damon, and Shane's years at the helm.

Once Myrm took the reins from Shane he removed the private server section and the auction house section because he had big goals for our community on blizzard's servers, he believed down the line that we could have some form of relationship with blizzard. I am not a fan of what blizzard has become since being sold to Activision, I believe they are starving their own game because it benefits their bottom line to go about things in the way that they have for the last few years. This i believe is the underlying cause of nostalrius’ success, which isn't to take away from what I've heard was an incredible server. I do not want to work with or for blizzard, I do not support their business as it is today, if by some miracle blizzard asked The NWL to run a blizzcon tournament I would be tempted to say no, based on morality alone.

However like Drayner, and Myrm I myself have an interest in growing the community on blizzard servers, I've given away items valued in thousands of dollars, spent countless hours with The NWL and Twink Cup, and spent more than a grand on TI/XpOff, all to grow the community on blizzard servers.

An XpOff private server would serve to do the exact opposite of that, instead of trying out legion, some people may go to our private server instead, leaving less room for overall growth and exposure. Now it was mentioned that Vquality didn't hurt EU but the truth is I've talked to blackout, and watched him, Vquality made PuGs a lot harder to achieve on EU, this much is obvious, and I think a server such as this may have even more drastic impacts on blizzard servers, potentially crippling our communities ability to expose itself in a few months during legion. Imagine if Twinkinfo did this when we were segregated into experience locked battlegrounds, would twinking outside of F2ps still exist to this day? I'm not sure but the chances are probably slim.

I have to ask myself if this is the direction I want the website to go, it is not. My goals in legion for this website and The NWL are largely intertwined (obviously), I've recently opened up an Endgame sub forum because in legion I intend to run RBG Tournaments alongside level 19 NWL seasons, along with being entered into the mainstream of players in game come legion, with these tournaments I hope to enter into the mainstream of twitch, both these things could increase our user base by thousands, it is my hope that we can eventually become a sort of WoWhead for blizzard Esports.

That being said I will not be running the 2017 twink cup, and most likely will not be contributing to any prize pool tournaments for lower brackets as I believe they are unhealthy for small, niche communities. So in short I cannot support an XpOff private server, or private server section because it's potential is counter to everything we have worked for the past couple of years, the group function will remain as a form of compromise (much like the underbelly) where moderators will not intrude on any content (within reason), creators of private servers are able to create groups and have access to an impressive amount of features they can use to maintain and grow their groups, I welcome anyone still interested in this to utilize the group feature as a base of operation. However that is all the support this website or myself can offer.

 

[Muskie]

I would I have I use I I found I am I am I believe i believe I do not I do not support I I myself I've given I've talked I think I'm not I have I want My goals I've recently I intend I hope I will not I believe

I cannot support an XpOff private server, or private server section because it's potential is counter to everything we have worked for

However that is all the support this website or myself can offer.

twinking deserves to be its own game.

 

[Selaya]

I would like to start by saying that on a moral level I have nothing against private servers, I use to create large guilds on twink private servers such as RiSeN WoW, Strife, World of Dalaran, and others. I had some of my most enjoyable moments in this game playing these servers, all of which I found on Twinkinfo.com.

Fast forward all these years and here I am, no longer a no name user, but an actual owner of XpOff. The two previous owners besides Myself, Drayner, and Myrm had no real interest in growing the online retail community outside of progressing their website. So there was a private server section during Damon, and Shane's years at the helm.

Once Myrm took the reins from Shane he removed the private server section and the auction house section because he had big goals for our community on blizzard's servers, he believed down the line that we could have some form of relationship with blizzard. I am not a fan of what blizzard has become since being sold to Activision, I believe they are starving their own game because it benefits their bottom line to go about things in the way that they have for the last few years. This i believe is the underlying cause of nostalrius’ success, which isn't to take away from what I've heard was an incredible server. I do not want to work with or for blizzard, I do not support their business as it is today, if by some miracle blizzard asked The NWL to run a blizzcon tournament I would be tempted to say no, based on morality alone.

However like Drayner, and Myrm I myself have an interest in growing the community on blizzard servers, I've given away items valued in thousands of dollars, spent countless hours with The NWL and Twink Cup, and spent more than a grand on TI/XpOff, all to grow the community on blizzard servers.

An XpOff private server would serve to do the exact opposite of that, instead of trying out legion, some people may go to our private server instead, leaving less room for overall growth and exposure. Now it was mentioned that Vquality didn't hurt EU but the truth is I've talked to blackout, and watched him, Vquality made PuGs a lot harder to achieve on EU, this much is obvious, and I think a server such as this may have even more drastic impacts on blizzard servers, potentially crippling our communities ability to expose itself in a few months during legion. Imagine if Twinkinfo did this when we were segregated into experience locked battlegrounds, would twinking outside of F2ps still exist to this day? I'm not sure but the chances are probably slim.

I have to ask myself if this is the direction I want the website to go, it is not. My goals in legion for this website and The NWL are largely intertwined (obviously), I've recently opened up an Endgame sub forum because in legion I intend to run RBG Tournaments alongside level 19 NWL seasons, along with being entered into the mainstream of players in game come legion, with these tournaments I hope to enter into the mainstream of twitch, both these things could increase our user base by thousands, it is my hope that we can eventually become a sort of WoWhead for blizzard Esports.

That being said I will not be running the 2017 twink cup, and most likely will not be contributing to any prize pool tournaments for lower brackets as I believe they are unhealthy for small, niche communities. So in short I cannot support an XpOff private server, or private server section because it's potential is counter to everything we have worked for the past couple of years, the group function will remain as a form of compromise (much like the underbelly) where moderators will not intrude on any content (within reason), creators of private servers are able to create groups and have access to an impressive amount of features they can use to maintain and grow their groups, I welcome anyone still interested in this to utilize the group feature as a base of operation. However that is all the support this website or myself can offer.

Well one could argue that by (trying to) grow the live twinking population alone you`re supporting Blizz` business, but yeah

Also Nost staff was a bunch of crybabies and basically sacrificed their whole playerbase for nothing and again nothing. Blizz either just bullshit them and told them a buncha nothings `bout 'Legacy servers', or they will fuck it up anyways.
I didnt really give a fuck `bout Vanilla, but I heard it was a decent server. However, what they did to their playerbase was some really ungrateful shit.

 

[Hamcake]

cool bye