On Double Standards.

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So, after participating in the drama fest that was Lils public execution. It's led me to feel the need to post on the subject of double standards, and how they play out in this forum. To start, I'd like to say that I've used this website for the better part of 3 years, only joining after lurking for a year, feeling out the waters. For the most part, It's been a great asset, for myself and many players looking to further their knowledge on the subject of twinking. I've seen nerfs and buffs come and go, and I've swam through the seemingly endless QQ/Troll/Rage posts. The majority of which the Alliance is the subject, more specifically Alliance hunters, and the Alliance advantage. The all mighty eyepatch. This item, more than anything else, is steeped in resentment, and false assumptions. It is currently -okay- and has been since this brackets conception and the rise of the original AP community, to berate anyone who plays the opposite faction. Players who do play for blue team are considered at face value to be unskilled, their opinions invalid. The amount of hate we received when my original server began premading was staggering. When we lost it was said we were "terrible" and when we won it was because of our "skillpatch" Fast forward to today and not much has changed. The majority of the arguments brought up in the "please ban lil" thread boiled down to "shes an alliance hunter, so her opinion doesn't matter" Others posted examples where she wasn't particularly nice. Now, I'm not saying she's a saint. But let me ask you a question, what do you think drove her to speak and act in such a manner? I've watched as you guys continuously picked on and berated her, over the past 2 years, and that was considered OK. When all you see as an Alliance player combing over this website, this forum, Is nothing but venomous, abrasive, hateful comments aimed at YOU, it wears thin, pretty quickly. The most infuriating thing about the whole subject on the Allies eyepatch advantage, is the fact that Hordes advantages aren't even acknowledged. Your goblin pets and your totems, your amazing int buffs, your bis caster gear, your awesome racials, your near instant pops which has led to a massive influx of horde 24s looking for quick, easy games. Your typically diverse, random bg comps, which has set you up nicely as more and more classes are brought on par with the rest, lets not forget that horde can, and does play hunters. Which are OP even without an eyepatch. All that aside, when these people that you've been shitting on finally return your attitude, all of a sudden it's "wrong" and "uncalled" for. I am all for a healthy, thriving community, but there are issues here beyond a few posters. It's a mentality that needs to change, and it won't unless you start practicing what you preach. Respect is a 2 way street.


For those of you still convinced that eyepatches are really the most unfair imbalance in all of Azeroth, I'd like to point out that i personally witnessed Snowjobs and the BWL crew play circles around an eyepatch team, with the weakest classes/specs currently in game. Maybe you should ask them for a few tips instead of constantly whining and looking for excuses.

Edit: I'd like to point out that this isn't meant to defend Lil's negative posts, only to highlight where they came from, and the only thing I'm looking to provoke on this subject is thought.
 
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Shame Lil was banned. However, she did bring it upon herself. I do not recall seeing a more negative personality on this forum. Now, whether that is ban worthy or not I cannot say as there are LOT of negative personalities that frequent these forums.
A linch mob must have went out and hunted her down to get her banned. Why someone would want to do that, I do know either. Must be a personal grudge.
Hopefully she will be allowed back. As I am sure this is a hobby she throurougly enjoys, as we all do.
/cheers

Sweetsidney
 
Well wrote, good points.

As an Alliance player I have never experienced any hate towards me, only some comments about my UP classes being viable being utter BS as I can know nothing playing a prottie. However, I have seen some not very nice comments towards Lil for example from Inoobyoupro (yes, I have to bring him up). You can't judge a person based on a class he/she plays, it's silly. There are some psychological connections between playstyle and mentality, but they they tend to show up early in the gameplay. The longer you play the more skilled you get, and your mindset changes - you learn your role, rogue mains no longer roam through mid ganking warlocks for easy kills to stress off. A skilled Rog will be the scout, calling positions, stealing buffs, locking healers, but they still will hear nonsense about being braindead rogues. Same with hunters - for example, my realm mate Doumatjee is a great player, he has played many classes and hunter being his main i can say he is pretty skilled. But when he backpeddaled a little on my PvE (!) video there were negative comments about that.
You can't be a perfectionist forever. When you hear over and over that you suck because you play a hunter, you are a fat nerd because you play a paladin, you are a loser because you play a rogue, you will eventually break in the inside.
 
I agree with you, and tbh, it makes me sad.
Now I can't even send messages to Lilil :ccc
As far as I remember (i wouldnt know much, I've been playing for about 2 years), this forum has been always the same. I don't even feel comfortable posting 'cause I know this is Troll Info. I am not sure what's "different" now.. why her attitude (which was followed by many, many people) is worth banning now...
Hell, half of the posts here are pure trolling, but who cares?, let's just ban her.
Even that f2p meme thread, don't you think my post is racist?? aren't some memes @ someone?? Ohh, wait.. yea, that's totally acceptable, I forgot.
Can we make a Lil's haters section on the p2p and f2p forum? :D :D -.-
 
eyepatch is the most overpowered faction only item because it makes the overpowered classes even more overpowered..
ps: overpowered is a nice word

oh and on top of that the skillpatch classes are usually nightelf or human, so they have 2 trinkets or a vanish/restealth
overpowered class + overpowered item + overpowered racial = ? yes, overpowered

edit: and im not sure why lil is banned but prolly because she couldnt write a single sentence without insulting p2ps, but thats none of my business :)
 
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eyepatch is the most overpowered faction only item because it makes the overpowered classes even more overpowered..
ps: overpowered is a nice word

oh and on top of that the skillpatch classes are usually nightelf or human, so they have 2 trinkets or a vanish/restealth
overpowered class + overpowered item + overpowered racial = ? yes, overpowered

And, it's that really their fault? Shouldn't we blame Blizz for making them that way?? 'cause if they weren't available, no one would use them.
This feels pretty much like the p2p and f2p discussion. The options are there, what we (they) do is take a decision, whether we like it or not, it's still a decision and we can't blame them for rolling things that are just available in-game. It'd be different if it was some kind of exploit, then yea... shame on that person.
 
I though the "eyepatch avantage" was a rolling joke. Nothing serious. But, seriously, Horde players care about eyepatch?

Horde have better rare gears for casters from quests than Alliance. I never saw an Alliance complaint about it.
Quests like: A Blight Upon the Land, Dread Head Redemption (Garrosh's Pardon), etc...
 
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I though the "eyepatch avantage" was a rolling joke. Nothing serious. But, seriously, Horde players care about eyepatch?

Horde have better rare gears for casters from quests than Alliance. I never saw an Alliance complaint about it.
Quests like: A Blight Upon the Land, Dread Head Redemption (Garrosh's Pardon), etc...

Yes, they care. Even when their Tauren HPalas are rocking almost 2,5k hp and a 0.5s AoE stun.
People take this game too serious. Blizz, pls, just unify rewards so this bullcrap ends.
 
Yes, they care. Even when their Tauren HPalas are rocking almost 2,5k hp and a 0.5s AoE stun.
People take this game too serious. Blizz, pls, just unify rewards so this bullcrap ends.

But then, where are the douchebags going to play as faction? ;)
Horde is always known as the "douchebag faction". But this, it's a rolling joke. :)


I'm a lore nerd personally personally, and Draenei are my favorite race in the WoW universe. Maraad reading an incantation from his tome and hoisting up his giant hammer in TBC cinematic really sold me on Paladins.

That's the same reason why, most of all time, I play only female dwarf.
 
I'm a lore nerd personally, and Draenei are my favorite race in the WoW universe. Maraad reading an incantation from his tome and hoisting up his giant hammer in TBC cinematic really sold me on Paladins.
Maarad is dead... in Wod...
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Hunter is op... eye patch just gives advantage.. anyway.. there aren't lots of ppl who use arc Intel and yes petotem is good berry good.
 
But let me ask you a question, what do you think drove her to speak and act in such a manner? I've watched as you guys continuously picked on and berated her, over the past 2 years, and that was considered OK.

What you don't understand is that nobody just woke up and was like, "Hey, let's go pick on Lil! STUPID HUNTER!" for no reason. The reason I had a problem with her is that she made constant attempts to show people on TI that first me, then the people I play with, were below everyone on this forum. Posting screen shots and scoreboards about stuff nobody cares about to prove her worth vs ours, meanwhile being very hypocritical, illogical and delusional. From there, it snowballed onto larger groups in the community resulting in this. This did not start because she is an alliance hunter.
 
I came here expecting to learn more about the stacking Battle Standard + Alterrac Valley Flag.

I was not disappointed.
 
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