US Official 19 TC Jumps
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Pitter
Boots Thief
I don't see much of an issue with the simple lamp hops... though this gives Alliance an advantage (however small).
Hunter only jumps probably aren't the best idea at this point, though.
The reason the video is so small (and missing a lot of jumps) is because I want the twink cup games to be as fair as is possible, and I did research to make the jumping on each side roughly even.
Zehj
Legend
if you consider running up stumps as a jump then this video misses out a hell of a lot of routine jumps frequently used in pugs
hopefully it wont happen but you might see petty teams gunning for a dq or w/e because the efc does something minor that isn't in this video
imo I think you will find the list of bannable jumps a lot shorter
hopefully it wont happen but you might see petty teams gunning for a dq or w/e because the efc does something minor that isn't in this video
imo I think you will find the list of bannable jumps a lot shorter
Freestylex
Legend
I think it's more of a "hey watch out for this" since this year has way more teams, way more prize money on the line, & much more hype. We've run tournaments like this before in other brackets, people get very petty very fast in a "tournament setting". If they choose not to do the video that's on them, it's not much more work & in the end may save them the headache of making tough decisions in a already busy + headache filled weekend coming up.
Fancy
Veteran
Want us to stop bitching? Why wasn't the guild leader of each guild in the decisions of what was going to happen. That's why we bitch cause no damn democracy.
Freestylex
Legend
Cipe
Legend
Lol.
Troye
Grandfathered
If you don't like how the tournament is being run then don't play in it. This isn't like North Korea where you aren't allowed to leave the country.
Troye
Grandfathered
Then this would not be the video consisting of jumps not allowed that people are demanding.
Once again, you fail to understand the logic of having one video. No tough decisions will have to be made. Either it's in the video and therefore allowed, or it's not.
The hype video that you are talking about should be made by someone participating, like Darkchewie. The rules committee is here to present the rules, not necessarily hype up the tournament.
Painaid
The Immortal
This does create gray area whether intentional or not. Video only shows one way to the front lip of the horde tunnel roof. But there are at least 5+ more ways to do it.
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So are the other variations of the horde lip jump 'OK' by virtue of being among the same class as the one shown in the video? Or is it banned?
And there are other places to jump over the horde fence... ones that don't require invisible nooks and are much more 'open and obvious'. Are these included because they are among the same class, or are they banned? i.e. -
Since the stumps were shown in the video, it calls into question what constitutes a jump. So would this be a jump, and thus be illegal?
What about the other stumps on the field that were not included? Are they banned? Or are they included by virtue of being of the same character as the others?
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This may seem like splitting hairs, but if an FC were to do something extremely similar, yet not in the video, it could cause controversy as to whether it should warrant adverse action. As evidenced, you're probably going to want some room to pivot on these rules.
i.e. -
And there are other places to jump over the horde fence... ones that don't require invisible nooks and are much more 'open and obvious'. Are these included because they are among the same class, or are they banned? i.e. -
Since the stumps were shown in the video, it calls into question what constitutes a jump. So would this be a jump, and thus be illegal?
What about the other stumps on the field that were not included? Are they banned? Or are they included by virtue of being of the same character as the others?
i.e. -
This may seem like splitting hairs, but if an FC were to do something extremely similar, yet not in the video, it could cause controversy as to whether it should warrant adverse action. As evidenced, you're probably going to want some room to pivot on these rules.
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Pitter
Boots Thief
So are the other variations of the horde lip jump 'OK' by virtue of being among the same class as the one shown in the video? Or is it banned?
The variations of the horde lip jump are fine... you end up in the same place in the end. This goes for all jumps in the video -- if there is a slightly different way to execute a jump then it is okay.
And there are other places to jump over the horde fence... ones that don't require invisible nooks and are much more 'open and obvious'. Are these included because they are among the same class, or are they banned? i.e. -
Open and obvious jumps over the fence like that are fine, as that is not even remotely an exploit.
Since the stumps were shown in the video, it calls into question what constitutes a jump. So would this be a jump, and thus be illegal?
The problem with allowing something like this is that it makes things uneven. Horde side would have (easier) access to this , Alliance would not, something like this could be made legal if another jump on Alliance side was also made legal (perhaps jumping on top of the flag on Alliance side?) This can be discussed within the rules committee
What about the other stumps on the field that were not included? Are they banned? Or are they included by virtue of being of the same character as the others?
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I considered including this jump but opted against it, this one is open for debate as it able to be used from both sides (it is a 2-way jump). The reason we opted against it was because a speed boost is required to complete the jump on Horde side, making it uneven. The other stumps not included are fine as long as there is no clear exploit used to get onto them.
This may seem like splitting hairs, but if an FC were to do something extremely similar, yet not in the video, it could cause controversy as to whether it should warrant adverse action. As evidenced, you're probably going to want some room to pivot on these rules.
No, you are perfectly justified in voicing your concerns, and I agree with you.
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Boots Thief
Is the use of goblin jump to get to these locations allowed?
Plain and simply - no. This is for the same reason that hunter only jumps aren't allowed.
Darkchewie
2014 & 2015 TC Champion
Not allowing the final stump jump that Painaid shows is just wrong. That jump has been a staple in warsong gulch since I started playing in 09.
have you an update on the horde tunnel jump that i showed you?
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Boots Thief
We're still discussing the stump you are referring to along with your tunnel jump.
You have to keep in mind that we are trying to make things balanced... make one jump legal and the other side needs one to compensate.
Rusks
Legend
the whole video should have just outlined what constituted a banned jump and showed what those were and explained why said jump was banned and left it at that. this video was great but should be used as a "here are some common jumps you may see" rather than only these are ok jumps to use. since you missed a bunch of things that could be done
also banning the 2 hunter/lock/goblin jumps is kinda silly except the alliance arch one because that falls in the "not a shortcut" category
also banning the 2 hunter/lock/goblin jumps is kinda silly except the alliance arch one because that falls in the "not a shortcut" category