New to the 20s Twinking First Try Need Some Help

[The Abomb]

Hello everyone, I just caught wind really of the 20s Twink and have done twinking in the past before separate Ques. So for my first attempts I have two 20s made, sub runs out in 4 days. I have my Spriest and had a twink in Cata so it's pretty straight forward I think and my fall back on.

However my passion project that I want to make work I'm kinda lost on. Which is my Prot Pal and I have always mained Prot at max level in PvP since TBC. Now where I really need help is in the gearing since what makes a Prot Pal OP is Mastery and more Mastery.

I miss my BFA Prot with all mastery gear, gems, and corruption amps. So I thought make a 20 Prot Pal twink. However locating the Mastery gear required is daunting so far. I been following the traditional guides of TBC dungeons for socket gear which I have acquired some but... I need Mastery. (are there any good working mastery gems?)

I still haven't gotten the Dragonling cause on Darkspear there doesn't seem to be much Twink gear sold. So the first goal is I need to get too 50% Mastery. This is where Prot Pal really starts to shine with Block and Dmg reduction. Would love to get it as high as possible but really hoping to get to this point.

Finally, I don't know if this is possible but is there any way to get Naga Hide enchant to work again? I tried the old enchant heirloom on a main and switch but it doesn't work. This enchant was OP at one time and works great in a Mastery build as the Absorb procs all the time from block. I also am looking for other Absorb options since Prot Pals benefit the most from Absorbs of any class.

I been trying to soak up as much information as possible and everyone here seems awesome and was turned onto this site from CigNus youtube guides which have been great. So any tips appreciated!

Thanks

 

[Goesid]

Legion greens if vet BfA greens and legion epics if f2p. The only dungeon item worth using if you want all mastery is the shield from Rezan in Atal'Dazar with a socket proc. Though id consider using the legs from old hillsbrad, the head from auchidon, blackout truncheon from slabs and the chest from auchidon quest. The only gem is a 1 haste 1 mast gem. Better off using steady talasites. A few mastery heavy legion pieces is gonna give plenty of mastery. Think it has to do with weapon ilvl, so no. Crusader is still brokenly op though.

 

[The Abomb]

The only gem is a 1 haste 1 mast gem.

Dam, yea my old JC main has that recipe - Energized Dark Jade. I was hoping of finding something better. Thanks for the info

Better off using steady talasites.

I don't know, I don't want a stam tank though as it doesn't make the mechanics of the build work. I mean a few of these is fine but I really need Mastery to make the Block build work and it's damage.

A few mastery heavy legion pieces is gonna give plenty of mastery.

Ok I think I'll switch from TBC to Legion at Chromie then. Since Mastery is so so valuable and really the focus of the build. If it's not possible to make a fully decked out Mastery Prot Pal, then I just won't move forward with it this project.

I did craft a 19 ring with Mastery and socket. I almost in the final build would prioritize Mastery > str/stam. Since I have to hit Block and Dmg breakpoints.

Thanks for the tips greatly appreciated and I'll spend some time trying to farm some Mastery items today.

 

[Goesid]

Dam, yea my old JC main has that recipe - Energized Dark Jade. I was hoping of finding something better. Thanks for the info



I don't know, I don't want a stam tank though as it doesn't make the mechanics of the build work. I mean a few of these is fine but I really need Mastery to make the Block build work and it's damage.



Ok I think I'll switch from TBC to Legion at Chromie then. Since Mastery is so so valuable and really the focus of the build. If it's not possible to make a fully decked out Mastery Prot Pal, then I just won't move forward with it this project.

Thanks for the tips greatly appreciated and I'll spend some time trying to farm some Mastery items today.

Legion greens need to be farmed at lvl 24-25. You can farm them at 20 in Nazmir and Drustvar in BfA aswell though.

 

[The Abomb]

Legion greens need to be farmed at lvl 24-25. You can farm them at 20 in Nazmir and Drustvar in BfA aswell though.

Ok thanks for the tip. I don't have a 24-25 toon atm. I guess I can do BFA then on my 20.

Yea like I said this Prot Pal is my passion project and seems like the gearing will be the most difficult compared to other Twinks. The point of the Mastery build is to hard counter Casters and all spell Dots making you nigh-immune to them basically. Guess I'll get to work and stop typing and see what kind of Mastery gear I can find to make the build function.

Thanks again.
[doublepost=1630596531,1630595427][/doublepost]Edit - Omg thanks for the tip, Just switching to legion the very first quest gave me a massive upgrade ring. +8 mastery,crit,haste which is better than the +4 str crit/haste ring BOA ring from TBC dungeon bags. Maybe the immortal Mastery Prot Pal will be born again

Legion questing and dungeons it is.

 

[ZenwØw]

YUMMY !

 

[Chops]

Its not directly related to your question but the thread below is a collection of all the guides and useful info you might need for twinking at 20. Goesids got you handled so far, but you could do worse than spending an afternoon familiarizing yourself with all this stuff. Its a lot to take in! But its worth putting in the time, for sure.

https://xpoff.com/threads/20s-guide-index-and-faq-read-before-posting-new-threads.95324/

Welcome to the bracket!

 

[CigNus]

Also take a look at some of the toons in the Armory thread for some ideas

 

[The Abomb]

Also take a look at some of the toons in the Armory thread for some ideas

Thanks and love the youtube channel

I think the problem is... Well has anyone else ever built a Mastery Prot Pal Twink? That is where I was finding myself lost as the typical gearing is sorta all wrong for the build. It was after grinding TBC dungeons for awhile I realized I had to come here because I wasn't progressing with the build.

The same concept goes for Mastery Prot Pal at max level and I made the build popular in BFA. As you become nigh-immune to casters. Not only do they do no real damage to you but Dot specs actually kill themselves by attacking a Mastery Prot Pal due to Holy Shield mechanics. So trying to duplicate it at low level. It also has some funny interactions with some other specs, like when attacking a Brambles Druid it causes a dmg feedback loop (if enough mastery) with Holy shield 1 shotting them. Was a lot of fun in BFA at max level Min/Max for Mastery.

So this is my Twink project and not sure if anyone else is running one which also seems interesting. If it could be pulled off might be fun for a lot of other Twinks if they weren't aware of Mastery interactions with Prot Pal.

Welcome to the bracket!

Thanks I'm sure this will take a couple test runs. Likely will have to sub for a month again to tweak here and there and do a better Prep. I'll check out the guides, thanks for the info.

 

[CigNus]

Thanks and love the youtube channel

I think the problem is... Well has anyone else ever built a Mastery Prot Pal Twink? That is where I was finding myself lost as the typical gearing is sorta all wrong for the build. It was after grinding TBC dungeons for awhile I realized I had to come here because I wasn't progressing with the build.

The same concept goes for Mastery Prot Pal at max level and I made the build popular in BFA. As you become nigh-immune to casters. Not only do they do no real damage to you but Dot specs actually kill themselves by attacking a Mastery Prot Pal due to Holy Shield mechanics. So trying to duplicate it at low level. It also has some funny interactions with some other specs, like when attacking a Brambles Druid it causes a dmg feedback loop (if enough mastery) with Holy shield 1 shotting them. Was a lot of fun in BFA at max level Min/Max for Mastery.

So this is my Twink project and not sure if anyone else is running one which also seems interesting. If it could be pulled off might be fun for a lot of other Twinks if they weren't aware of Mastery interactions with Prot Pal.



Thanks I'm sure this will take a couple test runs. Likely will have to sub for a month again to tweak here and there and do a better Prep. I'll check out the guides, thanks for the info.

You'll have to farm ilevel 28 boe gear for that mastery you're looking for

 

[The Abomb]

You'll have to farm ilevel 28 boe gear for that mastery you're looking for

Yea, I'll have to get familiar with the best way to do that. This is all pretty fun though and like learning an entire new aspect of the game again.

On a positive note just doing questing in Legion has brought me up too 42 points of Mastery sitting just under 19% Mastery so I am at least now optimistic about the build. This puts me at 39% block which is still way too low but I got a lot of work to do. Breaking for lunch then going back at it.

Not sure if anyone is on Darkspear or has Twink guilds there. Would love to pick up the Dragonling to get me closer to the Mastery break points I need.

 

[Hashbrowns]

I think the problem is... Well has anyone else ever built a Mastery Prot Pal Twink?

I got you
https://retail.safe-armory.com/en/character/610d4d2b6d502

A few things, Blessed Hammer is down right nuts for PvE. I can keep Hammer of the Righteous and 65% armor almost 100% of the time. I think for PvP you'll want to block spells, its just so strong. But either could work. If you run Blessed Hammer I'd consider https://www.wowhead.com/item=136978/ember-of-nullification?bonus=1826:1472

Other things you'll want to change for PvP, you need cc break trinket. Weps, I'd run BfA green shield, you can go spike or +4 stamina/+4 vers. The spike hits for 8 damage but it adds up decently well, just a bit below Hidden Satyr. Purp shield from a quest is nice too, higher block value I would think. Wep I'd probably run https://www.wowhead.com/item=28311/revenger?bonus=6710, the heal scales off your ap>sp conversion so it's around 200s I believe. Crusader is your best option. Life Stealing is also quite good for PvE I hear, not sure about PvP.

 

[The Abomb]

I got you
https://retail.safe-armory.com/en/character/610d4d2b6d502

Sweet! Yea that is a crazy BoE collection lol. Cool to look at for sure!

I think for PvP you'll want to block spells, its just so strong.

Yea that is what made Prot Pal actual Gods in BFA and why I'm stacking Mastery. You just take no damage when you hit the right break points due to blocking poisons, spell dots etc. I could actually fully absorb a Gpyro from a fire mage with Block mechanics. Not only that, well you do big damage as well since it increases your attack power.

you can go spike or +4 stamina/+4 vers. The spike hits for 8 damage but it adds up decently well

Right now I got on a +3 mastery enchant just trying to make the build work lol. Kinda interested in the spike though as I'm unsure how it will work in the Holy shield mechanic for blocking dots. If it really triggers on all blocks even blocking dots then that would be the way to go.

In BFA my top damage came from Holy Shield every BG due to reflect mechanics.

Wep I'd probably run Revenger, the heal scales off your ap>sp conversion so it's around 200s I believe.

That's an interesting idea since I'm making an attack power build by default. Where do I scoop this guy up? Also Blocks from Holy Shield register as attacks so technically I could get healed just from Blocking.

Crusader is your best option. Life Stealing is also quite good for PvE I hear, not sure about PvP.

Yea seems Crusader is pretty cut and dry. Although I love to tinker and think outside the box and make something else work. Just really wish I could use Naga hide. I'd be interested in Life Stealing and might try that first.

Thanks for all the tips!!! Definitely giving me some ideas to play around with

 

[Hashbrowns]

Sweet! Yea that is a crazy BoE collection lol. Cool to look at for sure!



Yea that is what made Prot Pal actual Gods in BFA and why I'm stacking Mastery. You just take no damage when you hit the right break points due to blocking poisons, spell dots etc. I could actually fully absorb a Gpyro from a fire mage with Block mechanics. Not only that, well you do big damage as well since it increases your attack power.



Right now I got on a +3 mastery enchant just trying to make the build work lol. Kinda interested in the spike though as I'm unsure how it will work in the Holy shield mechanic for blocking dots. If it really triggers on all blocks even blocking dots then that would be the way to go.

In BFA my top damage came from Holy Shield every BG due to reflect mechanics.



That's an interesting idea since I'm making an attack power build by default. Where do I scoop this guy up?



Yea seems Crusader is pretty cut and dry. Although I love to tinker and think outside the box and make something else work. Just really wish I could use Naga hide. I'd be interested in Life Stealing and might try that first.

Thanks for all the tips!!! Definitely giving me some ideas to play around with

I would think it procs from spell block but haven't tested, the best spike is https://www.wowhead.com/item=12645/thorium-shield-spike

Sword is from https://www.wowhead.com/the-botanica, you'll need to walk in and a flight to get there. Also Legacy loot I think, so you can get an agility drop.

Yea you missed Naga by a few weeks and it is indeed nuts. I still think sader is bis for pvp though so don't worry.

Oh and probably run Spinal Injector on belt, that's 1400 health every min. You could go frag belt though if you want the interrupt. I like my belt chant so far, but it's really for PvE only. The shield is low compared to scaled Spinal and it has some fail effects that can most likely 1 hit you in pvp.

 

[The Abomb]

I would think it procs from spell block but haven't tested, the best spike is Thorium Shield Spike

Yea that would be huge if it did since there are so many Dots on you from Locks/Priest. I just picked up a mithril before you posted and was all that was in AH. So maybe ill get an idea.

Sword is from https://www.wowhead.com/the-botanica, you'll need to walk in and a flight to get there. Also Legacy loot I think, so you can get an agility drop.

Cool

Yea you missed Naga by a few weeks and it is indeed nuts.

Yea really wish I could use one haha.

 

[Goesid]

revenger was nerfed months ago afaik, truncheon or cudgel is the way to go.

 

[raziel83]

If you run Blessed Hammer I'd consider Ember of Nullification

Hi abomb (you're famous from the wow official forums!). Your mastery prot pal sounds super fun, hope you pull it off. As someone that plays multiple casters that trinket I quoted above is OP. You should def use it even though it has no mastery imo.

Oh and don't be fooled by the Spinal Injector on belt saying it only heals for 400. Inside BG's it's 1200 or so base + scaling from vers. Also you know your mastery will scale down slightly in BG's too? For example my hpal's crit is 33% outside of Bgs and 28% inside Bgs. I'd recommend queuing a BG at 20 with exp on just to check all your stats / items then /afk before the game starts.

Make sure your experience is turned ON before letting your sub expire. Otherwise you can't queue BGs.

 

[The Abomb]

Hi abomb (you're famous from the wow official forums!).

Yea, I been around for a bit Some love or hate Abomb for his Prot PvP passion over the years.

Your mastery prot pal sounds super fun, hope you pull it off.

Thanks! I realize it will likely take a lot of work and won't have him anywhere close to ready when sub runs out. Likely a long term project that will take a few times to get right as I learn and explore all the gearing options. I did gear my Spriest some tonight as my backup as I likely will play both some then get another month to make adjustments and fully prepare and Twink.

As someone that plays multiple casters that trinket I quoted above is OP. You should def use it even though it has no mastery imo.

Good to hear that, I really haven't looked into the niche items with procs yet but will focus on that as well now that you mention it. Was just trying to get the barebones build up and running first stat wise before I dive into all these specialty items. So I appreciate all the suggestions and have this thread to reference and these forums to figure out the most fun options.

Also you know your mastery will scale down slightly in BG's too? For example my hpal's crit is 33% outside of Bgs and 28% inside Bgs. I'd recommend queuing a BG at 20 with exp on just to check all your stats / items then /afk before the game starts.

I figured that, Just hope it's not too much and this is a good suggestion to give me an idea as Prep.

Thanks

 

[raziel83]

Thanks! I realize it will likely take a lot of work and won't have him anywhere close to ready when sub runs out.

If don't mind spending $$$ you can just xfer a finished lvl 20 to an inactive account to instantly play. Also you can buy tokens on a big twink server like bleeding hollow / tichondrius?, buy a bunch of 28 mastery socket plate then xfer them off. That can get expensive quickly though so it's probably wise to make your bare bones build to test first lol.

 

[The Abomb]

That can get expensive quickly though so it's probably wise to make your bare bones build to test first lol.

Yea that's what I'll do to tinker and take suggestions here.

I do wish there was anything Twink related on Darkspear there is nothing. No BoE, No dragonlings, Nada. Gotta farm everything.