Merry Christmas! (Jesus was a Socialist)

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"31 When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory.
32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.
33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
34 Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world.
35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in,
36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’
37 Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink?
38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you?
39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’
40 The King will reply, ‘I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.’
41 Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink,
43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’
44 They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’
45 He will reply, ‘I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’
46 Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”



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Not only do churches have a history of supporting socialist revolutionary movements. Not only has the current Pope claimed the label of socialism. But Jesus himself was a socialist!


Matthew 6:26 Look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they?

Luke 16:13
No servant can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and money.

1 Timothy 6:10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.

Proverbs 28:20 A faithful man will abound with blessings, but whoever hastens to be rich will not go unpunished.

Romans 13:1-7 But when you give a feast, invite the poor, the maimed, the lame, the blind, and you will be blessed, because they cannot repay you.
14 You will be repaid at the resurrection of the just.

Luke 14:13 If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven.




Act 1 44/45 "And all that believed were together, and had all things in common;
And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need."

Act 2 44/45: And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.
33 And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all.
34 Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold,
35 And laid them down at the apostles’ feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.
36 And Joses, who by the apostles was surnamed Barnabas, (which is, being interpreted, The son of consolation,) a Levite, and of the country of Cyprus,
37 Having land, sold it, and brought the money, and laid it at the apostles’ feet

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_theology

Liberation theology could be interpreted as an attempt to return to the gospel of the early church where Christianity is politically and culturally decentralized.[13]

Liberation theology proposes to fight poverty by addressing its alleged source, the sin of greed. In so doing, it explores the relationship between Christian theology (especially Roman Catholic) and political activism, especially in relation to economic justice, poverty, and human rights. The principal methodological innovation is seeing theology from the perspective of the poor and the oppressed. For example, Jon Sobrino argues that the poor are a privileged channel of God's grace.

Some liberation theologians base their social action upon the Bible scriptures describing the mission of Jesus Christ, as bringing a sword (social unrest), e.g., Isaiah 61:1, Matthew 10:34, Luke 22:35–38 — and not as bringing peace (social order).[better source needed] This biblical interpretation is a call to action against poverty, and the sin engendering it, to affect Jesus Christ's mission of justice in this world.

Gustavo Gutiérrez gave the movement its name with his 1971 book, A Theology of Liberation.[14] In this book, Gutiérrez combined populist ideas with the social teachings of the Catholic Church. He was influenced by an existing socialist current in the Church which included organizations such as the Catholic Worker Movement and the Jeunesse Ouvrière Chrétienne, a Belgian Christian youth worker organization. He was also influenced by Paul Gauthier's The Poor, Jesus and the Church (1965). Gutiérrez's book is based on an understanding of history in which the human being is seen as assuming conscious responsibility for human destiny, and yet Christ the Saviour liberates the human race from sin, which is the root of all disruption of friendship and of all injustice and oppression.[15]

Gutiérrez also popularized the phrase "preferential option for the poor", which became a slogan of liberation theology and later appeared in addresses of the Pope.[16] Drawing from the biblical motif on the poor, Gutiérrez asserts that God is revealed as having a preference for those people who are “insignificant", "marginalized", “unimportant", "needy", "despised", and "defenseless". Moreover, he makes clear that terminology of "the poor" in scripture has social and economic connotations that etymologically go back to the Greek word, ptōchos.[17] To be sure, as to not misinterpret Gutiérrez's definition of the term "preferential option", he stresses, "Preference implies the universality of God’s love, which excludes no one. It is only within the framework of this universality that we can understand the preference, that is, 'what comes first'."[18]

Gutiérrez emphasized practice (or, more technically, "praxis") over doctrine. Gutiérrez clarified his position by advocating a circular relationship between orthodoxy and orthopraxis seeing the two as having a symbiotic relationship.[19] Gutierrez' reading of prophets condemning oppression and injustice against the poor (i.e., Jeremiah 22:13–17) informs his assertion that to know God (orthodoxy) is to do justice (orthopraxis).[20] Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger (later Pope Benedict XVI), however, criticized liberation theology for elevating orthopraxis to the level of orthodoxy.[21] Richard McBrien summarizes this concept as follows:

God is disclosed in the historical "praxis" of liberation. It is the situation, and our passionate and reflective involvement in it, which mediates the Word of God. Today that Word is mediated through the cries of the poor and the oppressed.
 
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conq is a sociali-
oh, wait nvm.
 
how are the esports?
Work is good, thanks for asking. Company just brought in 2m in investment and acquired a tier 1 StarCraft team this week. Announcement and details after the new year.
 
The purpose of religion is to strive to be a better person, be self dependent, don’t trust authorities who say they will make ur life better and to put ur faith in god not the govt. There’s a reason every socialist movement tries to destroy religion first, u must have the population depend on govt before god. Also u destroy a society’s moral compass and it’s easy as fuck to control them through mass media.

JESUS WAS A CHARITABLE CAPITALIST
[doublepost=1577300502,1577297949][/doublepost]https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.da...ite-Bible-Quran-reflect-socialist-values.html
 
anyone who doesn't agree doesn't know what socialism is.

In fact, one of Karl Marxs' two primary influences was Ludwig Feuerbach, a German Philosopher who believed Christianity to be the winner in the war of religions as judged by it's highest ethical standard being love. As is with socialism.

“Love determined God to the renunciation of his divinity. Not because … God is love, but because of his love, of the predicate, … ; thus love is a higher power and truth[.] Love conquers God. It was love to which God sacrificed his divine majesty. … [W]hat sort of love was that? … t was love to man. … [T]hough there is … a self-interested love among men, still true human love … is that which impels the sacrifice of self to another. Who then is our saviour … ? Love; for God as God has not saved us, but Love, which transcends the difference between the divine and human personality. As God has renounced himself out of love, so we, out of love, should renounce God; for if we do not sacrifice God to love, we sacrifice love to God, and, in spite of the predicate of love, we have the God – the evil being – of religious fanaticism.”
― Ludwig Feuerbach, The Essence of Christianity

[doublepost=1577302159,1577300893][/doublepost]OP updated with basic info on liberation theology

"Moreover, he makes clear that terminology of "the poor" in scripture has social and economic connotations that etymologically go back to the Greek word, ptōchos"
 
Guys, don’t let this guy gaslight you. If you’re gullible enough they’ll have you believing that Stalin, Maduro, Castro, Mao and Hitler are the good guys and the US and Churchill the bad. You’re also not morally deficient for refusing to become their serf.
I understand someone in this thread was arrested for assaulting an elderly immigrant woman and sending her to the hospital. I doubt I’ll ever meet anyone here, but as someone who was raised by an elderly woman who was second generation herself I promise everyone here that if I ever meet that individual in person - he will be held accountable for that right there and then. Here in America, we defend elderly women from thugs - and a man will take care of business if I meet that piece of shit, that’s a promise.

Merry Christmas to the rest of you.
 
Guys, don’t let this guy gaslight you. If you’re gullible enough they’ll have you believing that Stalin, Maduro, Castro, Mao and Hitler are the good guys and the US and Churchill the bad. You’re also not morally deficient for refusing to become their serf.
I understand someone in this thread was arrested for assaulting an elderly immigrant woman and sending her to the hospital. I doubt I’ll ever meet anyone here, but as someone who was raised by an elderly woman who was second generation herself I promise everyone here that if I ever meet that individual in person - he will be held accountable for that right there and then. Here in America, we defend elderly women from thugs - and a man will take care of business if I meet that piece of shit, that’s a promise.

Merry Christmas to the rest of you.
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[doublepost=1577307484,1577307286][/doublepost]Btw myt I'm guessing youre a god fearing individual. You should heed his words in this thread, otherwise i fear the worst for your soul in the afterlife. Also again with the physical threats. Not very Christian of you. Where is your holiday spirit?
 
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[doublepost=1577307484,1577307286][/doublepost]Btw myt I'm guessing youre a god fearing individual. You should heed his words in this thread, otherwise i fear the worst for your soul in the afterlife. Also again with the physical threats. Not very Christian if you.
Wait - are you implicating yourself in something? Why did you respond to my post? I said someone - was it you? If it was you that was arrested due to an elderly immigrant going to the hospital and identifying you as an attacker, please tell us your side of the story so we can determine what we believe.

Also re: threats, I didn't make any physical threats. I told everyone that if I encounter someone that assaulted an elderly woman I'll avenge her. Re: God, I'm pretty sure he'd be understanding in that case. ;) I turn the other cheek when it's me that's been wronged, but when someone wrongs children or the elderly then I get involved.
 
Wait - are you implicating yourself in something? Why did you respond to my post? I said someone - was it you? If it was you that was arrested due to an elderly immigrant going to the hospital and identifying you as an attacker, please tell us your side of the story so we can determine what we believe.
Seeing as this was discussed with you yesterday, publicly, I'm going to disregard your posturing.

I will go ahead and once again link an article about the situation. It felt good to be vindicated. My legal team is preparing to seek justice against relevant partie(s).

https://thegrayzone.com/2019/12/07/...menthal-arrest/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

This was dropped because it was obviously manufactured, even the judge knew it when he was forcing the intelligence agencies to turn over all their data. Your willingness to try and exploit that shows you once again siding with fascist oppressors and manipulating the truth for your own ends. Repent for your sins MYT. repent. The way to heaven is still open for you. That being said I doubt God would take kindly to you violating his ethics on his birthday of all days. Pledging physical harm, committing slander. Oof.
 
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There are a ridiculous amount of bad claims in this thread and I love obliterating liberation theologians as much as the next person but it’s really really hard to look over how dumb @MYT looks using ad hominems to answer bad args.

On the other hand, it’ll be nice to see him get a really fucking heavy hit for breaking 3 or 4 of the new rules on this site. Even under VERY lax interpretations of the rules here, this is a clean cut ‘8 strikes and you’re out.’

Conq if you want to get decimated on this topic, keep trolling the defense of it. I’m chomping at the bit honestly. I thought all of the liberation theorists were long past dead and I’m still skeptical whether you’re on this or not.

oh btw shout out to the comment about Marx having any inkling of interest at all in the foundations of liberation theology LOL.
 
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Bullshit.
Jesus asked people to give their goods to the poor but he never used force to do that. Socialists force others to give their goods to the poor.
These are 2 very different things and your post is low IQ
 
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There are a ridiculous amount of bad claims in this thread and I love obliterating liberation theologians as much as the next person but it’s really really hard to look over how dumb @MYT looks using ad hominems to answer bad args.

On the other hand, it’ll be nice to see him get a really fucking heavy hit for breaking 3 or 4 of the new rules on this site. Even under VERY lax interpretations of the rules here, this is a clean cut ‘8 strikes and you’re out.’

Conq if you want to get decimated on this topic, keep trolling the defense of it. I’m chomping at the bit honestly. I thought all of the liberation theorists were long past dead and I’m still skeptical whether you’re on this or not.

oh btw shout out to the comment about Marx having any inkling of interest at all in the foundations of liberation theology LOL.
Hey bud - like I said, I hold people accountable for doing bad things to children or the elderly. Trust me that some forum mods aren't going to change that, plus some never been like conq or you (in fact do you even play wow or do you just troll game forums you're too bad to even play the public in?).
 
Hey bud - like I said, I hold people accountable for doing bad things to children or the elderly. Trust me that some forum mods aren't going to change that, plus some never been like conq or you (in fact do you even play wow or do you just troll game forums you're too bad to even play the public in?).
Unfortunately some of this is true, fascists and racists only ever show their teeth when they know there are no reprocussions. We call them paper tigers, they melt in the rain.
 

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