maybe more 24s coming to this bracket?

[l30t53dd6p]

I don't know who's dodging who? I've stated some facts that you can't deny and still you go on the road to nowhere.

And again don't misunderstood "complaining" with "stating the reality of PRESENT days" . The info you're so proud of disclosing, was already in my signature and on my profile.. doh..

Like i said, try harder.

I don't like to argue with a person like you (you are always right so no discussion possible at all) and i dont want to be part of this stupid discussion of yours while you played to much f2p and took that whole stupidity that is called trials seeking fairness and hate on p2p's. It is that simple.

 

[CripzBlood]

whats the problem with p2ps? you guys arent crying about the fotm players who roll the most overpowered f2p class each patch so why the hell do you cry about p2ps?
blabla f2ps want a challenge, thats why they only play fotm classes.. doesnt matter if aggramar, spine,TN, magtherion, destromath (biggest german community) or the frenchs, 85% of all are fotm classes.
this bracket is sh^t and everyone who playes it longer than 2 month knows it, double standarts everywhere.

all f2p ppl who roll the most overpowered class each patch (majority of the bracket) are just too poor to pay for their superiority

deal with it or play endgame

U dont see 24s rolling fury warr, affli lock, enh sham either.

U play Rdruid, Disc Priest since MoP release, does that makes u 24 wannabe? why didnt u roll ret pally or frost mage.

Dont u play in this bracket for the challenge?

We players cant do anything about balance of classes at lvl20, thats up to blizzard, ofc if most bracket was playing UP classes other players wouldnt worry about rolling UP classes, but rolling FoTM, best spec of each class happens in every bracket, and u cant change that so u have to deal with it.

Theres a big diference btw f2p and p2p.
Though a F2P with scrolls has same stats as P2P 20-24.

 

[Neon]

full of shit? its an interesting read and u learn from it.

But just 1 thing, achmed dont generalize why 24s twink in this bracket, its true for some and its not true for others.

Funny to see we did same thing when we twinked at 24.

What is there to learn, or is there nothing and you just like to condradict people?

 

[madhombre]

U dont see 24s rolling fury warr, affli lock, enh sham either.

U play Rdruid, Disc Priest since MoP release, does that makes u 24 wannabe? why didnt u roll ret pally or frost mage.

Dont u play in this bracket for the challenge?

We players cant do anything about balance of classes at lvl20, thats up to blizzard, ofc if most bracket was playing UP classes other players wouldnt worry about rolling UP classes, but rolling FoTM, best spec of each class happens in every bracket, and u cant change that so u have to deal with it.

Theres a big diference btw f2p and p2p.
Though a F2P with scrolls has same stats as P2P 20-24.

i think you dont understand my point,
if you do the same sh^t other ppl do stop complaining, and YES f2ps do the same sh^t, they want to be overpowered.
i dont complain about this bracket anymore, im just tired of the double standarts from this "holy" f2p community

if you cant handle the truth ignore this post, but dont come with an other retarded answer like LOL YOU PLAY RESTO if youre not able to read and/or understand simple things

 

[CripzBlood]

What is there to learn, or is there nothing and you just like to condradict people?

well if u dont like to read other ppl about opnions about the twink brackets or history of twinking u dont have too.

Maybe u already know it all.

But i think u didnt even read... amirite?

 

[madhombre]

Why do i pay for my account and still que 20's with my F2P? Just saying...

i (and a few others) do the same, but guess what... we are the minority

and yes, in my opinion as a nightelf rogue (not that rogues are overpowered enough without skillpatch/shadowmeld) you dont have the right to complain about p2ps

edit: and im not sure why you play on a f2p even if you have an active p2p account.. my reason is all my mates i met in this bracket are f2p, simple as that. do i play f2p because its fair? hell no ( not anymore)

 

[CripzBlood]

i think you dont understand my point,
if you do the same sh^t other ppl do stop complaining, and YES f2ps do the same sh^t, they want to be overpowered.
i dont complain about this bracket anymore, im just tired of the double standarts from this "holy" f2p community

if you cant handle the truth ignore this post, but dont come with an other retarded answer like LOL YOU PLAY RESTO if youre not able to read and/or understand simple things

i understand perfectly, f2ps complain about 24s being OP and then roll FoTM class of every patch.
Still 24s are more OP.

Now think abit why most dont roll UP classes, maybe they know what to expect from the enemy team.


Its just abit hipocrite to complain about f2p rolling FoTM when u did the same.

 

[madhombre]

jesus crips i dont complain about rolling op f2p classes, i complain about ppl who do this and still complain about other op classes/24s, please play less huntards and read a book or something..
and YES, 24s are more op, but does it matter?
both are scums, ofc 24s are "bigger" scums but in the end, both are scums

edit: btw the druid was my first char in this bracket (yes im a f2p mop hero) and i had no clue about class balance.

 

[CripzBlood]

jesus crips i dont complain about rolling op f2p classes, i complain about ppl who do this and still complain about other op classes/24s, please play less huntards and read a book or something..
and YES, 24s are more op, but does it matter?
both are scums, ofc 24s are "bigger" scums but in the end, both are scums

so lets take into example cripz or samscraft, u are complaining about that.

ppl who complain about 24s being OP but when they have chance they roll 24 themselves.

i can speak from 2 of them, they do it cuz bracket is full of 24s, fight fire with fire, which after time it was fun experience but thats not the way to turn this into "The F2P Bracket".

 

[madhombre]

achmed, youre talented in writing sh^t without actually dealing with the problem.
both, you and crips try do avoid the core of my posts:
if you play a fotm/overpowered class, dont complain about ppl who do the same.

edit: i dont play p2p in this bracket ( well sometimes my affli lock - 35 dot ticks even with 300 spellpower) so yea..

 

[The Saint]

U dont see 24s rolling fury warr, affli lock, enh sham

i did.

No matter what [MENTION=2465]Achmed[/MENTION], thinks of me I proved the other night, I do NOT farm on my 24s. So what's my ulterior motive?

 

[CripzBlood]

achmed, youre talented in writing sh^t without actually dealing with the problem.
both, you and crips try do avoid the core of my posts:
if you play a fotm/overpowered class, dont complain about ppl who do the same.

understood, its abit hard when u are editing ur posts 24/7.

So 85% of F2P out there u dont have right to complain so shut up and deal with it.

 

[CripzBlood]

i did.

No matter what [MENTION=2465]Achmed[/MENTION], thinks of me I proved the other night, I do NOT farm on my 24s. So what's my ulterior motive?

ye ive seen couple, especially enh sham, but im talking about 85% of the 24s who roll OP.

 

[madhombre]

i correct typing mistakes (english isnt my mothertongue) so dont act like i change the sense of my posts to make you look like a fool, your posts make you look like one)

but youre right, shut up and deal with it

 

[CripzBlood]

i correct typing mistakes (english isnt my mothertongue) so dont act like i change the sense of my posts to make you look like a fool, your posts make you look like one)

but youre right, shut up and deal with it

i completely understand that, its not my mother language either, i didnt say u changed the sense of ur posts, just saying sometimes its little hard to get ur points, i identify to it.

No need to insult me just cuz my english is bad or im being nice.

 

[Kincaide]

[MENTION=18606]madhombre[/MENTION], here is the problem with your argument.

You are saying that people who play the most powerful F2P classes are doing so to easily beat the F2Ps that don't play those classes, and therefore what they're doing is equivalent to P2P 24s doing the same thing to F2Ps. If those F2Ps are doing the same thing as P2Ps, then they can't complain.

Your argument is flawed on at least two levels.

One, you're using a false premise: "OP F2Ps roll those characters for the purpose of stomping on regular F2Ps." Not only have you not substantiated the basis for that claim, that claim is easily disproved by actually talking to people. I, for example, have only been playing my hunter and rogue characters for some time now, not because I want to maximize my stompage on other, lesser F2Ps, but rather, because I want to minimize my own stomped-age at the hands of those 24s.

Which brings me directly to point two: Your argument completely lacks an accurate sense of scale. The difference between a fully BIS and skilled F2P "OP class" is negligible compared to the difference between any F2P and a fully chanted and scrolled P2P 24. Please show me any F2P that can solo, or hell, even duo, a P2P guardian druid with >6000hp before his team arrives. That comparison would be like saying that a 13 year old beating up a 12 year old, is equivalent to a 25 year old beating up the 13 year old.

Look, I understand where you're coming from. You don't like having to listen to people go on, day after day, pointing out the very real fact that 24s roll in this bracket because beating F2Ps is like shooting fish in a barrel. It's uncomfortable to have people point out when we're being abusive, exploitative, selfish assholes. But for pete's sake, there's no need to stoop to victim-blaming in order to assuage the guilt. Oh wait, hahaha, just kidding, there is no guilt, only untenable rationalizations.

 

[Whatgoesup]

 

[madhombre]

[MENTION=18606]madhombre[/MENTION], here is the problem with your argument.

You are saying that people who play the most powerful F2P classes are doing so to easily beat the F2Ps that don't play those classes, and therefore what they're doing is equivalent to P2P 24s doing the same thing to F2Ps. If those F2Ps are doing the same thing as P2Ps, then they can't complain.

Your argument is flawed on at least two levels.

One, you're using a false premise: "OP F2Ps roll those characters for the purpose of stomping on regular F2Ps." Not only have you not substantiated the basis for that claim, that claim is easily disproved by actually talking to people. I, for example, have only been playing my hunter and rogue characters for some time now, not because I want to maximize my stompage on other, lesser F2Ps, but rather, because I want to minimize my own stomped-age at the hands of those 24s.

Which brings me directly to point two: Your argument completely lacks an accurate sense of scale. The difference between a fully BIS and skilled F2P "OP class" is negligible compared to the difference between any F2P and a fully chanted and scrolled P2P 24. Please show me any F2P that can solo, or hell, even duo, a P2P guardian druid with >6000hp before his team arrives. That comparison would be like saying that a 13 year old beating up a 12 year old, is equivalent to a 25 year old beating up the 13 year old.

Look, I understand where you're coming from. You don't like having to listen to people go on, day after day, pointing out the very real fact that 24s roll in this bracket because beating F2Ps is like shooting fish in a barrel. It's uncomfortable to have people point out when we're being abusive, exploitative, selfish assholes. But for pete's sake, there's no need to stoop to victim-blaming in order to assuage the guilt. Oh wait, hahaha, just kidding, there is no guilt, only untenable rationalizations.

yes, f2ps are the victims of their own ppl.

btw as i said i dont compare fotm f2ps to p2ps in their potential, im just saying that BOTH (p2p and f2p fotm roller) play to kill weaker ppl, the p2p fraction pays for it, the f2p doesnt. this is the only difference between the f2p majority and the p2ps, p2ps PAY to kill scrubs, f2ps dont.


edit: just in case even more ppl throw stupid examples on my head: i know that p2ps are waaaay stronger than f2p, but thats not the point.

 

[Kincaide]

yes, f2ps are the victims of their own ppl.

btw as i said i dont compare fotm f2ps to p2ps in their potential, im just saying that BOTH (p2p and f2p fotm roller) play to kill weaker ppl, the p2p fraction pays for it, the f2p doesnt. this is the only difference between the f2p majority and the p2ps, p2ps PAY to kill scrubs, f2ps dont.

Like I said, you're basing your argument on a false and easily disproved premise. You can't just say "F2Ps roll fotm classes in order to kill weaker people" and have it magically be true just because you said it. Do you have some evidence, that supports the idea that all people who play fotm classes (which itself is a subjective distinction) do so to easily kill other F2Ps? Do you really, honestly think that that assertion holds up to even a small amount of scrutiny? I've already given evidence of a different explanation, based on my own decisions as a F2P. I play my hunter and rogue characters, not because I want to easily kill other F2Ps (which isn't ever easy, mind you) but because I got tired of being so easily killed by 24s.

If you want to make an acceptable argument, you have to prove your own assertions.

 

[madhombre]

yes ofc you guys all play rogues/hunters because its such a fun class..
achmed: youre trash
kin: its honorable defending this bracket, but this bracket is trash. its a pool of ppl who wanna get the best possibilities without paying and ppl who pay for this game and take advantage of the ppl who dont.

if you think this bracket is a place with skilled friendly ppl who seek challenge and play the classes they enjoy to play you are definitely the person who should visit a doctor... or just stop dreaming

edit: are p2ps ruining this bracket? yes, as much as the f2ps themselves