You attempted a speedrun in public areas, not instanced content, within an MMORPG. You had the aid of ANOTHER body. which by definition means not solo. You began the run out of video. The same rules that apply to instance content apply to outside content. You cannot kill a boss or start RP for a dungeon on another toon then enter the dungeon(This is why we reset). Likewise you cant do the same in the overworld and have it be considered solo. Unless you didn't setup the bird and some joe-blow was there. Meaning you got good rng in the PUBLIC area you chose to route through. THIS IS THE BIG ISSUE HERE, the line is thin and gives some allowances. Now I know you are going to try to have it look more organic or use a homie. But that's where I ask you to be honest and you make a choice. The issue isn't your method it's the transparency of the run and the rankings therein. I and Speedrun.com didn't know what to do with it once we communicated. Was it solo was it not? We chose to make our own choices about the matter after taking more time to think about it. They are making their choice about your submission and I am making mine. You can ask speedrun.com what they think about the run. They didn't make a final choice last I talked to a mod about it. I am willing to give you a category of "A" for Assisted. This is not a solo run because you used 2 bodies. YOU organized another body to assist you. Outside of and out of view of the speedrunning toons timer. Therefore I cannot verify it as solo. if you want to run like this route we can make another category. Im more than willing. but if SOLO title or ranking is so precious to you that we cant work together than im sorry hun.
Yes, its "required" because you did it within the submission. If its not required then dont do it? In order for you to get this time you felt the need to do it therefore it was required for this specific routes time. if not required, again, just dont do it.
Transparency is key here, trust is given automatically until situations like this are met. I am not saying your cheating im saying your not being transparent if you use another toon to set a run up like this.
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The use of 2 toons is not solo, it's assisted. An organic player you happen open in the open world can be considered good or bad rng depending on the "event" said rando started. But using 2 toons, 1 of which I have no timer or pov of, means imo its not solo. Im not DQ him, im offering him another category for the method used.
Ah I see, your definition of solo means with no aid from other bodies. That’s cool, let’s extrapolate this definition into scenarios and see if this definition works in correctly identifying solo speed runs.
A: You are doing a quest in a speedrun, and you need to kill a quest boss. You go to kill it, and someone on the same quest helps you with killing the boss mob.
According to your definition, that would disqualify the run.
B: Before starting a 1-60 run, you mail your toon equipment and consumables to speed up the run.
According to your definition, this would be a assisted speedrun.
C: Somebody killed mobs before you and when you got there the mobs weren’t there.
According to your definition, this would not be a solo speedrun.
I didn’t begin the run before making the toon, the run starts when you move. What other time do you think the speedrun should start?
You’re right, when we do instanced speedruns we reset. But, that only works for instanced speedruns because you can’t restart the overworld. Because you can’t restart the overworld, the rules differ from instanced speedruns where you CAN restart the world. Rules for instanced speedruns shouldn’t apply to rules for overworld speedruns, because the paradigm is extremely different. The variables and scenarios that can occur are very different, instances are a controlled environment and the overworld is completely uncontrollable. Like I said before, the only way to enforce the rule is to force every speedrunner to speedrun on a private server where they can control the overworld. Until you enforce that, your definition of a solo speedrun is dumb.
My definition might allow some iffy situations that you might not believe are solo speedruns, but it’s one that realistic and sets the best standard for the most truthful solo speedruns. Your definition only works when the overworld is controllable, which is only possible on a solo private server.
How am I not being transparent by doing something that wasn’t uploaded? Would you apply to the same standards to somebody who doesn’t explicitly explain every trick they do, all addons they use (settings included), all macros they have, all the gear they use, all their preparations? I can send you the footage of me setting up the run if you’d like, but I don’t feel I need to since that would be horrid. Imagine having to explain everything you do before every speedrun lol, +5 minutes added to the time for no reason. A speedrun should just be a speedrun, and that’s it.
When you say something is required for a run, you are inferring that if you don’t do it the run is disqualified. If you didn’t mean this, you couldve said it’s “required” for the specific route you are running. That would make more sense.
You have to set concise rules and definitions, you can not disqualify runs just because you don’t like them. Set a definition of what a solo speedrun is, stick to it and we can argue over the definition. You can say “it’s not a solo speedrun!”, but that means nothing and adds nothing to the conversation. Argue with my points, prove my points wrong. Maybe the overworld is controllable in the main game, prove this stuff to me instead of just saying “no, it’s not a solo speedrun”.
Also, I didn’t use “2 bodies” in my speedrun. I only controlled my character, my character was not getting external help on my command. I prepared by starting an event before making the character, but I didn’t get any external help by my command in the run. Two completely separate instances in time, If you want to say this is two bodies helping each other then you would have to bite the bullet that is “anybody helping you disqualifies you from your run”. You can’t make a enforceable rule that both disqualifies me for starting an event, while also allowing other people to start the event before me. You can say to “not prepare for solo speedruns by doing things that would help the speedrun”, but then you would have to bite the bullet of saying “speedruns where you mail items to your toon aren’t solo speedruns”. Also, that rule wouldn’t be enforceable, because it’s impossible to know whether somebody starting an event was a person who did it on purpose for the run or was simply coincidence. Impossible.
I thought you said you were willing to hear an argument, but in the next breath you say you aren’t going to approve my run of being a solo speedrun without explaining why? Lol ok “hun”
Im heading out of town for the day so I wont be able to respond to any responses for awhile.
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