Lore Breakdown of New Cinematic (WoD)

Arthas? Ner'Zhul :p, he was the one controling arthas, since his soul WAS in the blade, the blade was destoryed, but someone took its essence and IT CAN BE RECONSTRUCTED. Nerzhul foresaw everything , it is explained in Warcraft III the frozen throne, since Ner'Zhul knew that lich king would die and he still WANTED to proceed. Anyway , yea , Bolvar Fordragon is regaining control of the Remaining Scourge, and he might use his troups as Allies of the Horde or Alliance... we do not know it yet , its just a speculation.


We'll that's the thing, it's not really nerzhul anymore either. 1 parts arthas, 1 parts nerzhul, who was shattered and torn apart, so whatever he is now is really distorted, and now 1 part bolvar. We don't even know if bolvar can control whatever is in that helm, or if his mind was swallowed up with whatever that thing is. I don't think we'll hear anything soon from him though. Blizzards on a Horde binge lol.
 
We'll that's the thing, it's not really nerzhul anymore either. 1 parts arthas, 1 parts nerzhul, who was shattered and torn apart, so whatever he is now is really distorted, and now 1 part bolvar. We don't even know if bolvar can control whatever is in that helm, or if his mind was swallowed up with whatever that thing is. I don't think we'll hear anything soon from him though. Blizzards on a Horde binge lol.

There are alot of Exspansions that we are going to experience, and in these one , there will happen something with Lich King, and yeah, WoD is --- lets say Horde, but there are draeneis too, wich means alliance.
 
Are you talking about Ilidan (our timeline), or Ilidan (WoD) ?
Ilidan is pretty mutch DEAD in our timeline, Akama and Maiev Shadowsong hunted him down in the Black Temple. As for Ilidan in WoD blizzard confirmed that there WILL NOT be connections with Azeroth(WoD Timeline) .
Illidan is dead in our time since the end of BC, but he is alive and imprisoned somewhere under stonetalon mountains or hyjal in WOD timeline (35 y ago), he will be released by Tyrande during B. Legion invasion.
 
Yeah , had seen this be4 you bost it and EVERY story that that channel offers.
I have to counter something here, Orcs DID not become green because of Demon Blood.The demon blood only make their eyes RED. The green color came from practicing Dark Warlock spells/rituals. Gul Dan used to be a shaman , but the elements never helped him because Guldan was serving the legion and the elements knew that the Draeneis WERENT the"evil ones", and they stopped supporting him , sure , Kil"jaeden had to act, and he gave them demonic powers, then by using that power the body becomes green by the use of FEL MAGIC! ---- Something interesting is the fact that Thrall is green , what kind of connection could Durotan or Draka have with Fel magic ?!??!

I've heard that Thrall was born green because his father was in the presence of powerful Fel magic (Grom after drinking Mannoroth ), although Durotan did not become corrupted, the Fel magic aurora has been passed onto Thrall, making him born with green skin.

http://wowpedia.org/Orc#section_6


However, those who drank or used more and more Fel Magic eventually became more and more corrupted and become red and very very ugly (Fel Orcs)

Blood elves had earned green eyes after using Fel magic to help their thirst, like orcs if they drank too much they will change red completing the Blood Haze transformation.



and what you said is also true, when Gul'dan had influenced Warlock-like practices to the orc shamans, those in its presence had become tainted with Fel Magic and after drinking demon blood, the corruption has accelerated, making them have green skin and glowing red eyes.

The rituals did not make them go through the Blood Haze, the demon blood did :)
 
Illidan is dead in our time since the end of BC, but he is alive and imprisoned somewhere under stonetalon mountains or hyjal in WOD timeline (35 y ago), he will be released by Tyrande during B. Legion invasion.

Blizzard explained very well taht there WILL NOT BE A CONNECTION with Azeroth -35yr ago. Just WoD!
 
Garrosh has influenced the "Iron Horde" into invading "our" Azeroth, the plan isn't to just conquer Draenor, but all worlds in existence.

ofc it is a pc game and they can do anything with it since it is all pixels and shit, but logical, i dont thing it is possible to go back in our timeline once the changes in past are made. in order to get back to ours, they must first return to the point before changes in timeline are made.
They can conquer the other version of azeroth in their timeline. our must stay as it is.

Anyway not fan of text walls. all can say is that they dig more graves for themselves with this one.
Since after WoD there must be a total revamp of azeroth expansion and we endup having 2 azeroths.

May aswell just make portal to baby garosh and kill it. Awww to much rip of?
 
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ofc it is a pc game and they can do anything with it since it is all pixels and shit, but logical, i dont thing it is possible to go back in our timeline once the changes in past are made. in order to get back to ours, they must first return to the point before changes in timeline are made.
They can conquer the other version of azeroth in their timeline. our must stay as it is.

Anyway not fan of text walls. all can say is that they dig more graves for themselves with this one.
Since after WoD there must be a total revamp of azeroth expansion and we endup having 2 azeroths.

May aswell just make portal to baby garosh and kill it. Awww to much rip of?

Not true, the portal is created to go threw worlds, and he said we will be conquerors, there are IRON HORDES ALREADY invading blasted lands , thats where the portal takes palce , (the actual Outland portal will be taken to Caverns of Time. And they cant change anything , since is LoreBased.
Anyway , its very complicated. if somethign wrong happens there it might influence our reality. in WoD Velen dies. Because he was told so for the greater good. There is a link between timelines, there are 2 Burning legions.
 
Its just like they changed history. And Ive heard that arthas is not dead.

Arthas IS dead, as for changing the lore, no, it is the right of every expansion to add more lore to wow, the main quest to defeat old gods and the burning legion still lies before us ;)!!
 
Yes to all except this



Guldan has always been about himself, which is why he sold his race too the demons in the original timeline



Hellscream didn't trust him because Garrosh has already tipped them off in the 2nd timeline

He's actually a pretty bad ass villain, no cheesy "was good but went bad" because old gods/burning legion corruption. Which is like 99% of all wow villains. He's just a power hungry dude that wants to rule as much as he can.

Originally they were all coerced by Guldan into thinking that the Draenei were planning on wiping them out, this wasn't true of course, but orcs aren't very bright. The only one that was bright (Durotan) drank the demon blood anyway, knowing full well the truth of the Draenei, but feared his wife/clan being slaughtered for not joining.


While the cinematic looked great, and the time travel/dimension hopping story somewhat interesting, i'm disappointed they're focusing on Orcs yet again, and in the process retconning one of very few epic moments for the Alliance. It's the entire reason an Alliance was even formed, to defend Azeroth against the evil, bloodthirsty Horde.

I mean really, not a single Alliance character in the cinematic? They could have showed Velen using his "prophet" powers and sensing the Horde threat that is amassing, Or maybe Maarad off in the distance watching as it all unfolded. Something, ANYthing would have been great. Anyway, i'll play through it just to see how the story develops, even if the Alliance gets another shitty expansion, lore wise.

/end rant


Edit: Also, if they could make Orcs look as bad ass as they do in that cinematic, i'd totally play one. You can be a giant brute without a hideous hunchback. <_< Same goes for cows and trolls.

Overall this lore summary you gave is pretty wrong, unfortunately. You're close though! First, Gul'dan didn't start the orcs off killing dranei, Ner'zhul did. KJ, in the guise of his "greatest' ancestor and his then-dead mate, tricked Ner'zhul into thinking that he had to kill the dranei because they were going to destroy sacred areas/artifacts to orc culture/mysticism. However, Ner'zhul found it weird that he no longer could summon the elements, talk to his ancestors or anything like that given that he was literally the most powerful orc shaman at that point (and the most venerated). He went to Oshu'gun (the giant white mountain in Nagrand) and prayed to his ancestors who, surprisingly to him, treated him like a monster. His real wife's spirit told him KJ was manipulating him, and he swore that he would break the oath that he had to KJ. Unfortunately, Gul'dan followed him (Gul'dan, at the time, was his apprentice as he showed the type of connection to the elements that really only Ner'zhul had before). Gul'dan went back to KJ before Ner'zhul could and told him what was going on and Ner'zhul was basically shimmied to the side completely powerless and denounced

Durotan actually never drank demon's blood (in any timeline). Also, you're forgetting the strongest Orc warlord, Ogrim Doomhammer, who also didn't partake. Durotan, and every other warlord, was warned by Ner'zhul to not do so and he was the ONLY warlord to listen to Ner'zhul after he'd been denounced by KJ and Gul'dan etc. Therefore, Ner'zhul actually saved the orcs before being fucked into becoming the Lich King. Gul'dan was and is probably the strongest mortal warlock there has ever been. Also the orcs were plenty bright (you know this is a game right? just because you're Alliance fanboying doesn't mean you can make up shit). At the time, the orcs were just as strong as the dranei with the exclusion of Velen (who was one of the major three proto-Eredar). Hell, the only reason dranei even come off as moderately capable is because they have Naaru telling them everything and helping them. You forget the best and brightest of the dranei became demons, were killed off in the wars or were simply purged/died in the crash. What's left of the dranei is mostly a motley crew of some great fighters and otherwise civilian populations.

Anyway, I digress. Orcs were plenty smart, the Iron Horde shows what would have become of the Horde had they never been sidelined by the demons (ie: seriously, the orcs would have kicked some major ass) with the addition of Garrosh's machinery/weaponry 35 years before it even is possible (imagine gatling guns and planes during Napoleonic times).

Also, what Alliance? There isn't one in this world. You're treating the alternate universe (AU) here like it's the current universe (CU). In this new AU you have to actually convince the dranei that they should be a part of the Alliance because they don't know who the fuck you are. The Orcs aren't even Horde. They are Iron Horde but they HATE the Horde that actually exists. You understand that right? Garrosh was betrayed by his "own" Horde. He isn't coming to take over Azeroth for the Horde, he's coming to take over Azeroth for HIS Iron Horde.
 
Alright lore peps can anyone tell me why King Varian has crazy goggles face? Or maybe it's a scar...

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scar from being a gladiator when captured by the horde orcs


can someone explain why he is so very hideous....even Garrosh is better looking then him!!!!
 
Overall this lore summary you gave is pretty wrong, unfortunately. You're close though! First, Gul'dan didn't start the orcs off killing dranei, Ner'zhul did. KJ, in the guise of his "greatest' ancestor and his then-dead mate, tricked Ner'zhul into thinking that he had to kill the dranei because they were going to destroy sacred areas/artifacts to orc culture/mysticism. However, Ner'zhul found it weird that he no longer could summon the elements, talk to his ancestors or anything like that given that he was literally the most powerful orc shaman at that point (and the most venerated). He went to Oshu'gun (the giant white mountain in Nagrand) and prayed to his ancestors who, surprisingly to him, treated him like a monster. His real wife's spirit told him KJ was manipulating him, and he swore that he would break the oath that he had to KJ. Unfortunately, Gul'dan followed him (Gul'dan, at the time, was his apprentice as he showed the type of connection to the elements that really only Ner'zhul had before). Gul'dan went back to KJ before Ner'zhul could and told him what was going on and Ner'zhul was basically shimmied to the side completely powerless and denounced

Durotan actually never drank demon's blood (in any timeline). Also, you're forgetting the strongest Orc warlord, Ogrim Doomhammer, who also didn't partake. Durotan, and every other warlord, was warned by Ner'zhul to not do so and he was the ONLY warlord to listen to Ner'zhul after he'd been denounced by KJ and Gul'dan etc. Therefore, Ner'zhul actually saved the orcs before being fucked into becoming the Lich King. Gul'dan was and is probably the strongest mortal warlock there has ever been. Also the orcs were plenty bright (you know this is a game right? just because you're Alliance fanboying doesn't mean you can make up shit). At the time, the orcs were just as strong as the dranei with the exclusion of Velen (who was one of the major three proto-Eredar). Hell, the only reason dranei even come off as moderately capable is because they have Naaru telling them everything and helping them. You forget the best and brightest of the dranei became demons, were killed off in the wars or were simply purged/died in the crash. What's left of the dranei is mostly a motley crew of some great fighters and otherwise civilian populations.

Anyway, I digress. Orcs were plenty smart, the Iron Horde shows what would have become of the Horde had they never been sidelined by the demons (ie: seriously, the orcs would have kicked some major ass) with the addition of Garrosh's machinery/weaponry 35 years before it even is possible (imagine gatling guns and planes during Napoleonic times).

Also, what Alliance? There isn't one in this world. You're treating the alternate universe (AU) here like it's the current universe (CU). In this new AU you have to actually convince the dranei that they should be a part of the Alliance because they don't know who the fuck you are. The Orcs aren't even Horde. They are Iron Horde but they HATE the Horde that actually exists. You understand that right? Garrosh was betrayed by his "own" Horde. He isn't coming to take over Azeroth for the Horde, he's coming to take over Azeroth for HIS Iron Horde.

I'm pretty wrong, but close? Those words... in that order.. i don't think they mean what you think they do.


You're right about Nerz being the first one contacted, however he turned back at the last minute. Guldan is like i said, the one who sold his race into slavery.
You're correct about Durotan not drinking the demon blood, i assumed because he was green he had, but like lenny said earlier, it was from being near fel magic. This detail, i'll admit i had forgotton.

Durotan's character, good or bad is up for debate, he still commited genocide on the draenei with the rest of the orcs. Regardless of what his intentions were.

As for the orcs being smart, they've been traded and traded from one villain to another, back and forth always following orders and leaving destruction in their path. I don't really think they are intelligent. Just a tool to be used. This will be what, the 3rd or 4th time their entire race has again, been used to wreak havoc?

As for the entire time travel scenario, i think you misunderstand what i said. I dont really feel like explaining it either, because the entire plot is a convoluted mess.

Those orcs from draenor, ARE the original horde, w/o binging on demon blood. Whether its Garrosh or Guldan, from timeline B or A, they both had the same idea, which was too invade other worlds and steal their resources for themselves. I don't believe this was really up for debate but you made it sound as if i hadnt already said this. Now obviously Guldans idea was more of an order from KJ, and we don't know whos pulling Garroshs strings at this point, if anyone. He doesnt live past patch 1 so it doesnt matter. BUT, it's probably a good bet that it's KJ as well.


As for Alliance actually getting a nod in the cinematic? Yes, i realize that at that point there wasn't an Alliance. Which is why i said a nod too the Draenei would have worked, since they are supposably 50% of the expansion plot, and future/past members of the Alliance.


I don't understand your attitude, and i don't really care. But if you want to be pissy, thats your choice. Stay classy champ.

Heres some reading material for anyone interested

WoW Insider's chronological guide to Warcraft novels, manga, comics, and short stories
 
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Awesome heads up! 35 years ago, lorderon wasn't destroyed, arthas was probably a kid or not even born, and they might even introduce the Quelthalas landmass that's been barren and blocked off for ages. And that Karazhan crypts might end up being something.

I'm not sure if they have anything huge in Azeroth planned, but it would be a shame if they just fucking skipped all of these possibilities with all of this ancient, blocked off content.

I'd also like to see some extra features on Northrend. Since its still a beautiful, up to par land with many possibilities. If they revolve around orcs and burning legion the whole xpac, that will be annoying and repetitive.

Also, Gilneas might be back to its former days again!

But it's probable not going to be unless instanced. Due to it screwing up starting and questing zones.
 
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there is one thing i don't get?

in the original time line, the orc though they have wipe out the draenei, got bored nothing to kill or conquer, til one night mental slumber party gul'dan have with Medivh(Sageras possessed), that Medivh invite them to Azeroth and show how to open the portal.

i imagine Iron Horde was able to open a portal from Alternate Universe to our universe, with the help of the renegade bronze dragon Kairoz.

in this alternate Universe, the Iron horde haven't finish off the Draenai, some of the Draenai capital cities haven't even fall yet. so why split your forces to fight 2 foes, the Alternate Universe, Draenai with the AU Velen feeling something wrong and won't hold back anymore, AND Our universe Alliance+Horde forces?

scar from being a gladiator when captured by the horde orcs


can someone explain why he is so very hideous....even Garrosh is better looking then him!!!!
i remember blizzard want him to look badass, not a pretty face. for the "bring back war in warcraft"
 
there is one thing i don't get?

in the original time line, the orc though they have wipe out the draenei, got bored nothing to kill or conquer, til one night mental slumber party gul'dan have with Medivh(Sageras possessed), that Medivh invite them to Azeroth and show how to open the portal.

i imagine Iron Horde was able to open a portal from Alternate Universe to our universe, with the help of the renegade bronze dragon Kairoz.

in this alternate Universe, the Iron horde haven't finish off the Draenai, some of the Draenai capital cities haven't even fall yet. so why split your forces to fight 2 foes, the Alternate Universe, Draenai with the AU Velen feeling something wrong and won't hold back anymore, AND Our universe Alliance+Horde forces?


i remember blizzard want him to look badass, not a pretty face. for the "bring back war in warcraft"

I guess the iron horde is confident that they'll wipe out the draenei and be able to mount an invasion at the same time.
 

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