Discussion in 'Level 70-79' started by Onlydreams, Jul 21, 2017.
Oh alright, fair enough.
i helped mango tweak his feral druid yesterday. held 5k on a dummy (more than most of my twinks) i think as someone said- feral if done right is really strong. i know its not the same as in a raid, but we literally took it form mid 3k to 5k so im exicted to see what he can do in a raid now
Just got back from holidays and had a quick play with feral, only pulling 3.6k on dummy over 3mins ish (berserk at start and stop on cool down reset) This is around the 6k mark when you add in ilvl multiplier.
No buffs or weight stones, but still how did you gain so much increase? Not using thrash and hitting 60 dummy?
Interested to know the set up, Current set up iam using is 678agility, 32% crit and 31% haste.
I had run a sim on a similar build a month or so ago but this included heroism and raid buffs and was showing a 5k dps output on patchwork boss. However tonight could not get past 3.6 somthing on dummy.....
Maybe iam just out of practice
never use thrash unless theres like 4+ mobs AND you have a proc for a free one. moonfire adds a ton to your dps, your crit is too high. 24%crit 30 haste, then agil. and open your rotation with stealthed rake
the character used was appleberry, ask mango to log out in is feral setup
edit- its not quite bis (imo) but its the closest ive seen so far
Really nice. That's ~9k instanced. Which consumables were used if any? What about bl?
no bl and no comsumables, just the class and race cds edit and trinkets
Damn, in that case I'm expecting at least 10-11k in perfect instanced conditions. Please test it asap and keep us posted
tested my ferals dps on target dummy for awhile with 24%crit 30%haste 718 agi.. kept complete up time of bleeds and moonfire and was sitting at roughly 3.6k.. so however you were able to get up to 5k and keep it there im all ears open to listening!
I think @Onlydreams is right with 6k raid dps for feral because my results are the same as yours. Iam bis apart from neck, that iam currently farming khorium for. The pvp neck is not that much different however and I doubt I will see much increase from that.
I also have gf head enchant and glove enchant which gives me an additional 19ap and extra crit.
Simcraft is telling me 5k buffed dps with bl... but iam not even close to this and when you consider it dose not even calculate http://www.wowhead.com/item=34427/blackened-naaru-sliver proc unless you use @Fx formula which I didn't.
I will try double http://www.wowhead.com/item=41121/gnomish-lightning-generator with http://www.wowhead.com/item=44050/mastercraft-kaluak-fishing-pole tonight and post results.
alright, im goin to try and figure out why there is such a huge difference.
edit: its because appleberryy is ilvl 152 i think.
so, the set i posted in my feral thread and appleberryy both sim at 4.9k. the set i posted is 158 though, so im gonna say ferals CAN get to 8k. its just one of those things you have to do perfect... like demo
edit2: ok so im holding from 3.8k to 4k on a training dummy on my horde druid who has alch and herb as proffs, and doesnt have the bt boots or hyjal belt...
Just curious if there is a general opinion for healer and tank tier lists?
Have an old monk I was going to finish off and was wondering if it was worth gearing brewmaster and mistweaver?
when i did my test. i was using stanchion with mark of the thunderlord. my gear may not be BIS atm, but i believe with the proc neck and the constantly refreshing crit from my staff enchant was the short answer to why my dps was so high. i can go do it again when i log back on tomorrow to break down exactly what i used etc.
I haven't done any in depth research on this at all but general opinion is blood DKs and holy+disc priests are the best at what they do. I wouldn't be surprised if MW is amazing too since they were great in both MoP and WoD.
Blood DK >>>>> Prot Warrior=Prot Paladin(?) >>> Guardian Druid=Brewmaster Monk
Holy Priest >= Holy Paladin (?) >> MW Monk(??) >> Disc Priest = Resto Shaman >>>>>> Resto Druid
The reason I put Disc in the middle is because I think it's outclassed by the two Holy specs on almost every fight with just a few exceptions, so you have no reason to play Disc as healer most of the time.
Is the Healing of such a priority (with say 5man BT's, etc) that you wouldn't desire the added DPS from a Disc WHILE they're Healing? Just curious as the only other (2) 70's I have any interest in making are a Priest and Warrior, Healer/Tank. For 70's I like to keep my Twinks as reasonably close to what was possible back then since I started during TBC. That means no DK for me, or Monk, Panda, Goblin, Worgen, Troll Druid, Tauren Pally, etc.
Really going to cut back on your bis then xD. Since gnomish is wotlk. Nightmare tear is too, and any Dragons eyes(not that they do shit anymore)
Indeed, but that's why I say "reasonably" close to what TBC was back then. I also have a full set of TBC available only Gear on my Hunter atm. Unfortunately it's impossible to get 100%, but I still enjoy trying to keep it old school, of sorts.
Disc uses way too much mana to keep atonement up so you just go oom and then you can't actually abuse the atonement which means you have to heal normally at which point you should just be playing holy.
Disc is pretty good as a dps spec, and it's a niche healer like I mentioned before. Disc is required on Reliquary of Souls for example.
That's the problem with r Druid. It goes oom so quickly as a solo healer. And I agree delyndsey that's why I don't play brackets where bis is non raid or dungeon gear. I like to try and stick as close to the times as possible, that's why I also dislike 79
pulled 9.6k as demo tonight on hydross with no food, and potion of wild magic instead of haste potion.
also pulled 9.1k as afflic on leotheras
this is what i used, not quite bis, so im gonna say 10k is possible with demo (maby more if you can figure out the shadowflame implosion rotation) and afflic might be able to do 10 aswell, this is the first actual raid ive done on a lock so... i might not be that great at it.
armory: 21%crit 29%haste 796 int demonic calling/implosion/powertrip
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