Just sharing some mail I recieved this morning from Blizzard Customer Support

Discussion in '19s (Vanilla)' started by Healbotz, Dec 16, 2019.

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  1. TwinkMike

    TwinkMike Member

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    I provided GMs response from Blizzard. Which wasn't really needed as the opening to this was already a response from Blizzard warning of this behavior in the first place. What other thought's is there to have on the subject? Unless this is a forum to complain that Blizz has rules against this, it's pretty open and shut.
     
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  2. Hbotz

    Hbotz Grandfathered

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    It's just upsetting, so I suppose I am complaining. Or maybe just venting, either way I had gotten excited over an authentic classic experience and time and time again its been obvious that's not going to happen. Luckily what was also drilled in on my three days back is that the rules are sure topsy-turvy so maybe some individual guilds will agree to allow them in premade content. Pugging for the most part I'm fine wth giving up jumps in, though it will simplify the kiting routes quite a bit.

    Jumps in premades just seemed to add another dimension to warsong gulch that made it more enjoyable. The amount of traps that could be setup, the misdirects an fc could do once a team has a good handle on the jumps the FC is good with, or getting the clutchest save up a graveyard and healing up in the face of 2 rouges. Oh man and watching a squad of people trying to get the jumps, and doing so more frequently as the matches went on.

    Who knows maybe all the twinkers will just battle it out in giant 10v10 world battles until one side gets pushed back to the gy. Being forced into your flagroom will count as a score and the opposing team will be allowed to freely cap the flag. We've done a solid job so far agreeing on the way to make wuhsuhguh as fair as possible, so implementing that in pugs will be a breeze.

    edit: but ya you're right, actiblizzard put their foot down so all i can do is vent to people that wont read it haha
     
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  3. TwinkMike

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    I've just ran into so many people that defend the jumps as not actual rule breaking and it's frustrating being debated on fact. (This forum included). Solo queuing I lost 5 matches 2 days ago with a 2 - 0 lead. But the Horde get desperate, cheese and retake the game. And as a Hunter, I am left empty handed when I'm the only one who knows how to get up the tunnel roof.
    Now if this is just a venting post, I can understand that, and I can also understand it being fine when its agreed on. But in general games it's frustrating. 90% of my losses are solely due to this exploit.
    I do remember these being used back in TBC days, but sadly Classic can't be exactly what it once was in more ways than just this. The game is played totally different than it used to be. I personally remember everyone knowing the jump exploits back in the day so it was less of an issue in the first place.
    Maybe Blizz will fix the issue, or maybe the issue will fix itself and everyone will eventually learn the jumps making it less game breaking.
    I can understand it being frustrating and disappointing, but it goes both ways. I've seen the other side, 9 other Alliance members screaming at each other as their 2-0 lead turns into a 2-2 tie with the Horde GY rezzing to defend the tunnel roof for the 10th wave. Eventually winning over something the average Joe had no knowledge to counter.
    For the record, while I disagree with you on this being a fair exploit, I still think your posts are level headed unlike a troll or two scattered in the comments above. I just took this as a debate on the jumps being an exploit in the first place.
     
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  4. Twinkmkfour

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    The reason there is such a debate about this is because no one is clear on whats constitutes a jump vs exploit.

    And @TwinkMike , the message from the GM that you posted is so incredibly vague and he literally does not even know what you're talking about - "While I'm not sure what roof you're talking about with "jumping the flag on the roof"..."

    I'll break down the rest of his response in to something you hopefully understand because I know how hard it is for you to comprehend sentences that aren't grammatically correct.

    "Terrain exploitation, if it is something like wall hacking, is considered cheating". - You can clearly and easily run and jump on to both Horde and Alliance Top Of Tunnel without exploiting any terrain. Logically, this would mean it is not considered cheating.

    "... any time someone is doing something that is clearly not intended to work the way it's working, that is terrain exploit and we can assist".
    Again, look at this vague ass language from Blizzard. You cannot say that a GM said that the Top of Tunnel (or "roof" as you so vacuously put it) is a terrain exploit BECAUSE HE DIDN'T.

    You're very lucky @Zemmix came to your rescues because you seriously need a proper mental belting.
     
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  5. TwinkMike

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    It is clear that these terrain exploits and safe zones are not intended, whether you choose to see it that away or not. This is just silly. I'm personally done talking about it. I've made my point, people are being properly reported, and Blizz is warning people not to do so.
    Exploit at your on risk. I'll be watching. And reporting : )
     
  6. Twinkmkfour

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    It's not silly. Your whole argument just got decimated by the fact that you cannot say that Blizzard did not intend for people to jump on Top of Tunnel.

    The ONLY way you're vagueness would have ANY validity, is if you had a screen shot of a GM saying that The Top Of Horde and Alliance Tunnel is a terrain exploit and should not be used to jump onto.

    By the way, you can literally just fall into both tops of the tunnels but for argument sake, lets stick with absolutely non-skilled, brand new keyboard turning players; so inept at the game that instead of exclaiming 'Woah, thats really cool! once i get better at the game I should learn to do that, since it's clearly a common thing in the game already', instead exclaim how the jumps we did for 4-5 years over a decade ago are 'cheating' and 'terrain exploiting'.

    It's not even a discussion when you say "here's the most vague screen shot ever of a GM responding to me complaining about YOUR COMMUNITY that says literally nothing concrete on whether the top of tunnel is considered an exploit, that means it's ban-able and I will report you for it".

    Do you understand that at all? You haven't been told shit and you act like a GM gave you their internal Blizzard memorandum about what's considered terrain exploiting.
    You are in the minority on this here. Don't believe me? Make the thread and see what happens.

    Literally, the people you want banned for jumping are the most dedicated to 19s. They make this community, they make people want to twink. Ayone who doesn't want to learn the most skillful part of 19s, which is movement, are going to get creamed. We aren't going to stop, so report away and I'll report your reporting.
     
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  7. Ðoom

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    Just learn the jumps you god damn casuals.



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  8. Hbotz

    Hbotz Grandfathered

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    is there any way to give more than 1 like
     
  9. Frogturtle

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    Just ban any jump that doesn’t have an easily accessible alternate route.

    Example: ToT > Second, if you can’t do ToT jump you can just run up ramp. It will take longer but any player can still get there.

    This is so FCs can’t indefinitely stall out games. A team that coordinates will be able to kill an EFC that is using shortcuts by trapping them.

    Not much to complain about here, it’s a skill check. Just learn the skill. I literally have carebeared to show Horde players how to do some of the jumps on my Ally warrior.
     
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  10. Outofspace

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    Except no one in this thread was asking for a how to guide. It's a discussion about what people consider legit and what's bannable.
     
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  11. Ðoom

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    I'm not saying anyone asked for a guide, I'm just providing the information for a anyone to get better. If you can counter the people whom you feel is "cheating" by just getting better rather then filing a unnecessary report it's a win in my book. Blizzard have been quite clear on WSG jumps always and i've actively used them both at high-end RBG as well in Twink brackets without repercussion.
    Out of bounds is a no no, jumps which everyone can make isn't.

    So to get back to my main point "Just learn the jumps you god damn casuals"
     
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  12. TwinkMike

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    By your logic, everyone can still get out of bounds. Those are jumps we can all make still.
    I do agree though. Blizz has made the Tunnel jumps clear. Hence the warnings being sent out. Thanks for agreeing on this point : )
    Lastly, being forced into melee range on the Tunnel roof isn't fair to ranged classes so... Yeah.
     
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    lmao just drop it jeez the horse you've been kicking is a pile of mush at this point
     
  14. TwinkMike

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    Other points outside of "yOu mUSt bE a kEYbOarD TurNr" were made so I felt it was a valid time to respond.
    Plus why not?
     
  15. Twinkmkfour

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    No they haven't. The GM literally said to you that he was "... not sure what you are refering to when you say "roof"..." which means he doesn't understand you.

    So basically, after all your crying, it is about you not wanting melee to get away from your range?
    Line of Sight is a mechanic, not a exploit you god damn muppet.
     
  16. Ðoom

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    @TwinkMike The logic isn't regarding being able to re-produce but rather understanding the difference in between what is okay and not. The information I'm providing isn't to get out of bounds but to do the jumps within Blizzards take on "Clever use of game mechanics" if you're choosing to ignore this fact there's nothing more I can do.

    To get to @Frogturtle point, I've also many times made it painfully obvious where and how to jump and some people manage some don't, afterwards they're better at the game or hopefully wanting to know how the jumps are made and practice.

    Not managing something doesn't make it unfair just makes the other person better than you especially in cases where the "exploits" have been part of the game since the very start until the revamp recently.

    At the end of the day do whatever the fuck you want, I won't stop FCing in the manner i've always done because people are butthurt all of a sudden.
     
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  17. Hbotz

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    I suppose if you're still getting a kick out of it then sure, but yall just going in circles
     
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  18. TwinkMike

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    I don't see any difference between getting out of bounds, and out of bounds, but in a visible way still. You're splitting hairs and its boring.
    All you guys repeat is, L2P. How about you guys learn how to play by Blizz's rules? Instead of getting butt hurt at the messenger.
    You think out numbering me in a forum centered around twinks who have become accustom to these exploits makes me wrong. But of course the abusers are going to think abuse is ok.
    If I'm wrong, then why are people being warned? Again, there is no debate here.
     
  19. Hbotz

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    I think they're more butt hurt over your self appointed role as messenger. I can't tell if you actually feel passionately about the fact that people are breaking the rules, or if you're just trying to take some form of a moral high ground as to keep the responses coming. I mean shit, I guess its working. Do you see it as some sort of justice? Ultimately what's your point here? It's not like you're going to give anyone salvation in the eyes of our lord and savior actiblizzard.

    TBH you're just coming off as someone who likes to stir the pot, regardless of the stance. I'm surprised that all these twinkers here are lacking the foresight
     
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    I am obviously irritated by it. As I stated, most of the games lost are 2-0 till the Horde cheese and retake the game. Double it down when I can't decide if some of these forum posters are trolling, or legit think WoW put these jump exploits in as actual intentions.
     

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