Johneffer's holy/prot/ret sets
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Llare said:
You finally figured it out. He doesn't address 99% of anything you bring up, and the 1% he does has nothing to do with the progression of the conversation. If I could thank, I would thank every post of yours in this thread. Just don't bother with him.
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Johneffer said:
Can't heal if you're dead. You have to adapt you're gear to changes considering the fact Paladins do not oom, and all the burst in this bracket. One silence, whether it be Avenger's Shield or Improved Counterspell, can easily fuck over a squishy cloth wearing paladin with lower health. Your health, with 2/3 people on you, targetting you, will be spiking up and down constantly, sometimes getting too low.
The "Up" is your heals in counter to their damage, and the "Down" is there damage, constantly applied on. When you spike down a bit, and have to wait for Holy Shock CDs etc, thats when an Arcane Mage or Paladin is just going to pop up and press AS/CS, this silences you, this means your health (which was already really low, due to your lower base health) is 25% ish; which for any 2-3 fully geared twinks, is no problem to burst out. You are now dead.
Look at your dead corpse, now back to me, now back to your dead corpse, now back to me; sadly you aren't an unkillable 2.1k buffed Holy Paladin. But if you stopped stacking Cloth like an idiot you could easily handle an Enhancement Shaman, Sub Rogue and Disc Priest ganking you, I trinketed the Psychic Scream; look again, I managed to survive, using my varied array of high armor equipment that I'm currently utilising; where are you? You're still dead, released at graveyard, your ghost drooling in awe at the Paladin your Paladin should gear like. In addition with my already strong instant heals; this negates any attempt they would have on killing me. Wait, whats that, back at me, it's the triumphant sound of my teamates rushing toward the 3 creatures attempting to gank an armor wielding Holy Paladin. As for the creatures? Easily slain, through no real effort; my heals still strong, easily keeping my team mates alive. That's the sound of the horn, of me capturing the 3rd flag, another surefire victory in any WSG you come across; anything is possible when you're an armor stacking Holy Paladin, I need a nerf.
Do do do, do do, doodoo do.
Owait that's now, thankgod.
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Llare said:
I have adapted, I adapted to staying alive by using jumps and such. IMO I would rather have equal amounts of health and mana (1500 - 1600) then an odd 1.9k health and 1k mana. Sorry if you disagree, thats bad for you. I explained my self and I hope I dont have to comment on this thread again.
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Johneffer
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Johneffer said:Crystalline cuffs is 3int 3stam 2 spirit and why 9 stam on yours.
why savage trodders, spider silk is 8 stam and 7 intell.
8 stam to cloak
why blood ring O_O
Defender gauntlets of the eagle with 16 sp opposed to gold flecked gloves with 9 stam and 6 intell.
I could see how your shoulders are going to be BiS in cata but arent right now imo
10 stam belt
7 stam to your artic buckler, i like vitality
darkweave breaches are better imo
im sorry, im just trying to prove my point.
There you go Eliot. 'Johneffer's Wonderful gear'... hm, eliot?
Eliot
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That's not much proof I agree with you on the gloves and the boots though. Honestly when I'm speeced holy I often run around in a sort of FC set when I get fed up with the rogues. The burst is just too much to take semi-useless stats such as spirit over armor and stamina!
But hey, use what works!
But hey, use what works!
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Johneffer
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Eliot said:
Ok here it is, i have 1700 armor in that set, the only ambush crit ive ever had on me was 700, the burst is being talked about like it is actually THAT effective. Rogues ambush harder then they used to - ok... Paladins can survive that... I think that you all are forgetting that it is impossible to die against any sub rogue unless you are retarded. "omg ambushed him for 1k!!! oh wow wow... instant heals? wow wow back to full health? wow..." <-- rogue
OH! im using even less mail now
Inferno robe
Llare
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Johneffer said:Ok here it is, i have 1700 armor in that set, the only ambush crit ive ever had on me was 700, the burst is being talked about like it is actually THAT effective. Rogues ambush harder then they used to - ok... Paladins can survive that... I think that you all are forgetting that it is impossible to die against any sub rogue unless you are retarded. "omg ambushed him for 1k!!! oh wow wow... instant heals? wow wow back to full health? wow..." <-- rogue
OH! im using even less mail now
We are talking about your survivability in WSG, a team based capture the flag objective mission, not stupid duels, whether they be in the Gulch or not. 1v1s have no place, in ANY 19 twinking talks anymore. All they are is a way to pass time now, the end. If I'm with a Mage, and a Rogue and I'm a Prot Pally, do you know what happens when Joneffer walks along? He dies, in less than 2 seconds. Damage is SUPREMELY high this patch, do not be that bloody ignorant.
And all your "reasons" for choosing your gear? Are you being serious?
Johneffer said:
Listen to what OTHER PEOPLE SAY, we are TRYING TO HELP YOU.
You have, no point, everything you say is null and void. People are laughing Jon, alarm bells should be ringing right about now. You're losing Protector of the Innocent proccing on healing yourself now. You won't be able to derp crutch on instant heals anymore Jon, you'll be having to fakecast due to your low armor and with the rogue infestation, which'll be still after 4.0.3, with them in different specs, you're going to have a VERY, VERY hard time. Dare I say, Holy Paladins might take an ounce of skill to play.
I can't fucking wait.
INB4 DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUR HOLY PALS SUX -.-
Llare
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Johneffer said:
And I'll always try and correct you on anything that stops you playing your class to it's full potential, namely gimping survivability by equipping cloth. Gulch videos can't really show much, and are we even getting arena back? Literally, the whole point, in every post I made, is to be playing your Paladin to the best that the gear+itemisation can provide; stacking cloth is the opposite to this. This isn't skill, skill is completely different, you can be skilled on an undergeared 80 without any pvp resi items and you WILL get fucked in the ear, due to the fact it's how the game is.
Gear to the best possible survival your character can have, unless you're damage. With the huge damage outputs currently, to survive, and to heal, because you can't heal if you're dead or having spam heal yourself, it's best to go for survivability > extra heals, by a tiny bit. It's why 15 SP to Bracers is a filth enchant for any casters now, simply because the stam from +9stam is much too great in comparison; it adds to the base health you need to survive against certain things burst. Then you can stun/CC/pop your escape mech, in whatever way you see fit, turn around and instant heal up or just beat them down with sustained damage.
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