Llare said:There's just no point trying with you.
Johneffer said:I don't think you all are comparing my gear over - a 1900 hp holy paladin with 1k mana = better then my set, why can't you see that that is what this conversation we are having is about? Thats an FC set, not a healer set.
Llare said:Can't heal if you're dead. You have to adapt you're gear to changes considering the fact Paladins do not oom, and all the burst in this bracket. One silence, whether it be Avenger's Shield or Improved Counterspell, can easily fuck over a squishy cloth wearing paladin with lower health. Your health, with 2/3 people on you, targetting you, will be spiking up and down constantly, sometimes getting too low.
The "Up" is your heals in counter to their damage, and the "Down" is there damage, constantly applied on. When you spike down a bit, and have to wait for Holy Shock CDs etc, thats when an Arcane Mage or Paladin is just going to pop up and press AS/CS, this silences you, this means your health (which was already really low, due to your lower base health) is 25% ish; which for any 2-3 fully geared twinks, is no problem to burst out. You are now dead.
Look at your dead corpse, now back to me, now back to your dead corpse, now back to me; you aren't an unkillable 2.1k buffed Holy Paladin, running with the air freely brushing my golden locks across my face. An Elemental Shaman, Rogue and Disc Priest have just ganked me, I trinketed the Psychic Scream; look again, I managed to survive, using my varied array of high armor giving items, in addition with my already strong instant heals, in order to survive any attempt they would have on killing me. Wait, whats that, it's the triumphant sound of my teamates rushing toward the 3 creatures attempting to gank an armor wielding Holy Paladin. The creatures have been slain, through no real effort; my heals still strong, easily keeping my team mates alive. That's the sound of the horn, of me capturing the 3rd flag; anything is possible when you're an armor stacking Holy Paladin, I need a nerf.
Owait that's coming soon, thankgod.
Johneffer said:I have adapted, I adapted to staying alive by using jumps and such. IMO I would rather have equal amounts of health and mana (1500 - 1600) then an odd 1.9k health and 1k mana. Sorry if you disagree, thats bad for you. I explained my self and I hope I dont have to comment on this thread again.
Llare said:Then you get AS'd and die. I've provided evidence of the better gear, and you've overlooked it. You OBVIOUSLY haven't tried it, so please don't insult me.
Johneffer said:Insult you? the whole post is you and your little english buddies insulting me. I won't try it and i never will.
Llare said:None of those individuals even know me. And post after every post has been a slap in the face. Even when it was just me genuinely trying to point you in the right direction.
edit: right direction*, lolo
Johneffer said:Crystalline cuffs is 3int 3stam 2 spirit and why 9 stam on yours.
why savage trodders, spider silk is 8 stam and 7 intell.
8 stam to cloak
why blood ring O_O
Defender gauntlets of the eagle with 16 sp opposed to gold flecked gloves with 9 stam and 6 intell.
I could see how your shoulders are going to be BiS in cata but arent right now imo
10 stam belt
7 stam to your artic buckler, i like vitality
darkweave breaches are better imo
im sorry, im just trying to prove my point.
Eliot said:That's not much proof I agree with you on the gloves and the boots though. Honestly when I'm speeced holy I often run around in a sort of FC set when I get fed up with the rogues. The burst is just too much to take semi-useless stats such as spirit over armor and stamina!
But hey, use what works!
Johneffer said:Ok here it is, i have 1700 armor in that set, the only ambush crit ive ever had on me was 700, the burst is being talked about like it is actually THAT effective. Rogues ambush harder then they used to - ok... Paladins can survive that... I think that you all are forgetting that it is impossible to die against any sub rogue unless you are retarded. "omg ambushed him for 1k!!! oh wow wow... instant heals? wow wow back to full health? wow..." <-- rogue
OH! im using even less mail now Inferno robe
Johneffer said:arent right now imo
i like vitality
are better imo
im sorry, im just trying to prove my point.
Johneffer said:Well, come down to this... I here by pledge that I will make pvp videos of both, arena and gulch to show what I am putting on the table.
Johneffer said:Just a heads up, making a follow up video tomorrow.