Is this really bannable??
- Thread starter bigpappa
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Chops
Soccer Dad
im telling you. Your Weak Aura that auto accepted roles on the 4 accounts that were grouped and being boosted. This ones pretty clear cut, man. You used a software program that streamlined the multiboxing process which is explicitly against policy.
Wowplayer
New Member
As far as I know, yes.
cletus
Member
People tend to lump permabans together with account suspensions under the umbrella of "ban".
bigpappa
Member
I'll just have to accept it as being this. Won't even get confirmed anyway either way
Spazzrella
Member
I don't have a weak aura, but I've had an addon that does this for years. Blizzard would change it to require a physical key press if this was truly an issue (like they did for /follow).
Chops
Soccer Dad
yea, its a real shame that they dont tell you but I can also understand why they dont. Giving people too much information makes it easier for bot programmers.
It fucking sucks, man. Im sorry. Perma is just way too harsh for a first time offense for using a WA that would be fine solo but is suddenly not ok with multiple accounts.
@Spazzrella its probably because, like i mention above, its fine on a single account and they take umbrage when its used to multibox? Thats my best guess but I gotta stress, this is all just guess work. It also needs to be stated very clearly (and apparently quite frequently) that just because you havent gotten pinged for the behavior doesnt mean its fine. Theres a lot of lowkey shit just about everyone on these forums does thats teeeeeeechnically against TOS but just probably not severe enough for anyone to care... right up until Blizz needs to be seen as "doing something" about "this problem"
Spazzrella
Member
I run 5 accounts at a time, it's why I use it, makes queueing much easier than having to alt-tab between all 5. I still have to alt-tab to accept the queue, so not saving me a ton of time, but it's a convenience item. I've been using it for years like I said. And they can easily block that if it's the case.
cletus
Member
A lot of people think this ban wave is about bypassing the XP debuff by grouping with an XP-locked toon. This is all speculation. It would make more sense that Blizzard is going after boosting than they are going after twinking.
But once again, Blizzard created this problem by letting level 10s and level 80s be in the same group while having TERRIBLE SCALING.
But I agree with the comment you're replying to: using a weak aura to avoid having to input is technically against ToS and you risk Blizzard deciding to enforce that at some point. My recommendation would be to stop using a WA to auto-accept role or any other such input bypassing. You're just asking to be banned.
Spazzrella
Member
That's a slippery slope than. That's like saying any addon that auto turns in a quest is technically against ToS. The vast majority of addons are made to trivialize something (lets go back to vanilla, fast quest text for example) and I see this ability as nothing more than that. Mine only auto accepts a role check if the leader is on my friends list. I don't want to auto re-queue with randoms at the end of a timewalking run for example.
cletus
Member
Blizzard is nothing if not inconsistent.
I agree that auto-accepting or handing in quests or even skipping cutscnes is potentially problematic. Blizzard has seemingly decided this isn't an issue.
But apart from that, Blizzard takes a very dim view of anything they view as "automation".
At the end of the day, do what you like but IMHO you're asking for trouble and I absolutely wouldn't do that myself.
Spazzrella
Member
What you're suggesting is to play with ZERO addons because at any point Blizzard could permaban people. Same with macros, heck might as well say "don't play the game." That's why I said it's a slippery slope argument. There is zero difference between auto accepting a role check (something they allow) and auto accepting a quest. And there are other things in game they don't allow you to automate as they have a way to require a physical input (key or mouse click), so it's like they've decided what is and isn't allowed to be automated. That's why I disagree with it. I've disabled my auto accept role check addon for now, though I don't believe that has anything to do with this.
bigpappa
Member
The weakaura just did exactly the same thing, accepted roles. I manually entered the dungeons.
There's been a lot of different scenarios in this thread and its difficult to pinpoint what happened or what triggered each and every ban.
I only level boosted my own character along with 3 trial accounts to fill the group, so I can't even say it was from player reporting. Neither was I using the macro, just manually entering specific dungeon and hoping all my characters got the same queue pop.
One thing is for sure is that it really is a shame because it made me really enjoy the game again and now this has made me not really feel like playing my main account anymore either. Was looking forward to season 2 as well.
Spazzrella
Member
Same, I have only been using a twink to level my army of 70+ toons to 80. It's been a nice break, and allows me to run 4 at a time up (exactly how I leveled them in remix). I'm building up a level 20 now to use instead of my 11's as there's no macros, queueing up separately, etc. required to do it. Just join group and queue.
bigpappa
Member
What's the deal with level 20s, I haven't even looked into it. Can it be a trial account or do you still turn XP off? I read they aren't as good damage or whatever but if I could still solo dungeons while boosting myself for good XP gains it would still be fun.
cletus
Member
That's hyperbole.
Blizzard's stance against automation is that no addon (or WA) should automatically send an input to the client. This has come up multiple times.
When Blizzard banned input broadcasting multi-boxing, this was the standard used: one input, more than one client means you're automatically sending an input to at least one of your clients.
This was clarified around Battle Pet scripting. Even though you're just spamming "A", each keypress corresponds to using an ability (1-3, forgeit, swap) so if a given fight takes 20 separate ability presses, pressing "A" 20 times is "equivalent" so isn't "automation".
This came up again when auto-follow WAs were banned (and the API changed to require follow to need a user input).
You can argue with me all you want but I'm not the one you have to convince. Nor am I the one enforcing any of this. I'm trying to explain to you Blizzard's reasoning and how auto-accpeting roles WILL (IMHO) be viewed as "automation" (and thus against ToS) by Blizzard. Don't say you weren't warned.
But my speculation thus far from the current ban wave and (admittedly. unreliable) user reports is that bypassing the XP debuff may well be the roort cause of many if not most of the bans. That is of course speculation. It seems too prevalent in accounts to be a coincidence however.
Spazzrella
Member
If you're disabling XP, it's the same as a level 11. The purpose is to use a trial account where you can no longer gain XP at 20, and thus you can queue for dungeons in a group, etc. with out having the XP disable buff hitting the entire party. It works the same way at 70 on an account that doesn't have TWW purchased, but unless you have one laying around already highly geared, this is a MUCH HARDER character to build up than a level 20.
Spazzrella
Member
I know what you're saying, but as I said, if you start thinking this way, than literally every thing every addon does falls into this category.
Spazzrella
Member
I was using the macro up until Monday (got busy with work since than). I had leveled 80+ toons doing so in the last 2-3 weeks. I just cancelled my account my twinks were on.
Chops
Soccer Dad
well this isnt true. damage meters, threat meters, way points, candy bucket, etc all do very useful things without automating inputs.
That said, yea. One of the most consistent things blizzard has been against is add-ons that automate inputs.
Just remember, as I've said a thousand times, "access is not permission". Just because an add on exists, just because its use hasnt been discouraged (yet), doesnt mean that what its doing is within the TOS. In the war of escalation between add-on writers and Blizzard, Blizzard is losing. So dont be shocked if an add-on youve used for years to automate inputs all of a sudden kicks off a ban wave.