Is skill necessary to excel in WoW?

Is skill required to excel in WoW?

  • Yes

    Votes: 28 57.1%

  • No

    Votes: 21 42.9%
  • Total voters
    49
  • Poll closed .
beating people in arena when you're 2-3 seasons behind them in gear, like what this guy is talking about, isn't even a demonstration of "skill". that gear difference is so massive that the only way you're ever going to win is if 1. the other team is absolutely horrible, or 2. the other team makes one or more enormous mistakes. i don't know many competitors who would classify either of these outcomes as having anything to do with "skill" or "outplaying" one's opponent(s) - the outcomes don't actually have anything at all to do with the winner's "skill", and in fact depend only on the loser's lack of it. any reasonable competitor would consider this kind of "competition" a complete waste of time. who wants to play a game where their own performance has virtually no effect on the outcome, win or loss?

and there is, of course, all kinds of "skill" that goes into pvping in WoW, or any other game. there's no such thing as a game in which skill does not play a huge factor. if you're interested in watching WoW pvp "skill" at work, watch recorded matches or live streams of the very best players playing (i'm assuming that people still stream WoW arenas, although i can't say i've checked in a very long time). these people play at a level where everyone has the very best gear, everyone is experienced and doesn't make stupid mistakes, and everyone plays optimal team compositions. what decides the overwhelming majority of matches between these people is what you are calling "skill".
 
There is always room for improvements, but the difference between a excelent player and a decent one wont easily show with some classes. A priest can get a dps increase from casting holy fire, but the difference between holy fire and smite is so little that most priests dont bother, especially since smite is a shorter cast. A perfect player will in certain cases find a moment to cast a holy fire, however the difference will be so small that nobody will notice.
There is almost always a way to play better, it just has to be alot in order to stand out. Gear makes a bigger difference then skill in most cases, but don't let that stop you from trying yo get better, because anything that can give you an edge over your opponent counts.

EDIT: These posts are getting to long (including mine) I don't think anybody will read this....
Lets test it:
All graveyard farmers are fags!
and now we wait...
 
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I'm not sure pushing 4 buttons and jumping around should be considered skillful.
 
They are indeed.
But back to topic....I think, that you need more than a strong class and good gear to excel. You have to use your brain to make decisions. Decisions which help your team win or at least do well. Skill is not just pushing correct buttons in correct time, it is much more complex thing. So yes you need it to excel.
 
OneWhoSayNi said:
But back to topic....I think, that you need more than a strong class and good gear to excel. You have to use your brain to make decisions. Decisions which help your team win or at least do well. Skill is not just pushing correct buttons in correct time, it is much more complex thing. So yes you need it to excel.
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This is actually an interresting look at skill. Indeed at this level taking the right desicions is alot more important in bgs and arena's then how trained you are at pushing buttons. But does this count as skill? A druid fc can be clever and avoid all its enemies, while he can also choose to beat them in a fight. The first is the best choice, but to beat the attackers might require more skill. I think i would list it like: Desicions/teamwork>gear>skill.
 
Swoops said:
ItIn WoW, skill is being aware of everything going on around you and acting on that. In a 1v1 battle, gear/class are most important in some order. But the thing that separates people in WoW PvP is situational awareness - working with your team, using line of sight, choosing the right ability to counter your opponents, etc. It's different from aiming quicker than someone and getting the first headshot in a FPS, but it is still skill.



This is how I'd see this fight working out at 20 in Cata:
Shaman purges PW:S, Fort and Renew. Priest has to spam Flash Heal to keep up with the damage. Shaman lines Wind Shear up with a focus dump, other hunter dies. If the Priest gets a fear off to CC the shaman, Earth Shield would have kept the hunter long enough for the Shaman to recover.


The skill isn't picking the right class, its knowing you picked the right class and taking advantage of that as much as possible.
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a 1.7k life hunter cannot die from a full focus dump :(, no matter what you do and shamans have no damaging spells.
Then priest can use fear.(After the enemy hunters focus dump) shield and penace his badly damaged hunter and while the enemy healer is feared they have 6 seconds to focus kill the enemy hunter(maybe more time due to shamans not having any insta casts)
Thats what Im trying to say working with your team is #1 priority.It just pisses me off when people scream skill, skill when in reality all AP/vasji is just people sticking up for each other (not always it still amazes me how many grave mistakes that could cost em a teammate could do) vs randoms who dont
 
Yeah, I was wicked tired and too lazy to describe a whole battle, but factoring in BiS (AGMs, high health pools, etc) the pressure that the shaman puts on with purge would be the deciding factor. The priest would oom first because of it (and the priest's hunter wouldn't get much out of AGM either). Also Shamans had no burst whatsoever, but their damage added up in melee range! It was solidly consistent pressure.

I don't know exactly how this conversation started, but I rarely notice people being called skilled just because they win in premades with AP/Vashj. Maybe I'm just missing it because I rarely premade anymore. Most of the people that talk about skill don't base it on rolling people by queueing with reliable teammates.

Skill in this game just isn't 100% mechanical. Excelling in WoW is largely from work and strategy. Put the work in to gear up and then use all your abilities efficiently in a fluid, fast pace environment against people who are trying to do the same.
 

didnt watch it all, but all I saw is he beat on some randomswho are apparently half asleep or something.I can make vids of beating on rbg randoms too.
What really confused me at 1:03 to whatever the fight wit the dk and the shaman. I have no idea how high level pvp works Ive done maybe 10 high level pvp games in cata and I have no idea how DKS work but I do know death grip, and ..DK..DK death grip peel off your healer .Like it seems they want people to train their healer and dont like peeling or something in those videos.It isnt skill they just mash their buttons and know their class ganking 2vs1 how it always worked in bgs and arenas or whatevre, all you gotta do. Not to mention that was a rogue , a ''OP'' class in cata.

.I did the same back when I was f2p, a 20 hunter had 420 AP vs a 24 hunter had 710 AP.Thats almost double power.You have no idea how many 24 hunters I beat.Bird disarm, focus dump, get close,scatter,etc.Heal pot if needed.Done.Was that skill?No it was just basic button mashing and knowing what I am capable of, but yes it felt good outplaying someone who has double of ur firepower.

PvP is a joke and just involves gear, common sense, button smashing the same buttons and mouse clicking end of story.
The main reason pvp seems hard in an organized enivironment is it is ,not just controlling but coordinating4-9 other people into not screwing up. That's not as easy as many might think.
 
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Licholas said:
edit: For the purposes of this poll, skill is how consistently and how quickly one reacts in the optimal manner to any given pvp situation.
Less skilled players will react optimally less consistently and/or quickly, or they will not react optimally as often, or any combo of the above
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There are many skilled mice... they hit those buttons quickly and efficiently to get that treat!

Ok ok - decent wow def of skilled kudos to ya ma'am ku-dos.

I think skill needs to go hand in hand with application and consistency when measuring overall wow pvp performance... some people are often lazy (read: me) or sometimes skilled players derp in mid or GY farm rather than playing the objectives.
 
Licholas said:
Someone who doesn't know much about endgame PvP probably shouldn't be analyzing it
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A persistent little number huh you just dont wanna give up but I see, Licholas you are a good troll , Il give you that,.Also you are a good theorycrafter you will probably make it on the list to the top 5 theorycrafters on TI.

When I pvpd on a ungeared level 74ish paladin, who had ret gear(i specd holy) i was still topping healing meters almost every game.I may not know how high level pvp works but I do know how deathgrip works and what it does. And that scrubby DK wasnt even utilizing his full potential. But like I said this is pointless words Ill gladly prove you otherwise ingame like ive done it MANY times to almost everyone.
Kalashnikov @ Daggerspine - Game Guide - World of Warcraft
Nastybimbo @ Daggerspine - Game Guide - World of Warcraft
you by any chance remember these 2 characters everytime we met i proved you and ANY of your vasji teammates wrong by sending you back to the GY.Sure I might have died in the process but multiply ur deaths by 5x or so.
Like I said please reroll horde ALL of your Vasji crew just go on aerie peak horde so I can enjoy disproving your theorycraft wrong ingame every single time.
I mean compare my characters pvp statistics to yours-
Statistics - Game Guide - World of Warcraft
Spetsnáz @ Daggerspine - Game Guide - World of Warcraft the numbers say everything.
 
Re: Is skill necessary to be skilled in WoW?

Licholas said:
edit: For the purposes of this poll, skill is how consistently and how quickly one reacts in the optimal manner to any given pvp situation.
Less skilled players will react optimally less consistently and/or quickly, or they will not react optimally as often, or any combo of the above
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There are now two problems with this poll. First, you didn't select a definition of skill until after several votes had already been cast. And second, you still have not defined excel. I'm curious how you can differentiate these two given your current definition of skill.

Deadvulcano's Rumblings: Defining Skill

Almost all problems in this topic--and most areas of disagreement--are related to communication. Everyone would be on the same page if we all thought the words involved meant the same thing.
 
I'm not particularly concerned with the legitimacy of this poll. I made it as part of a once-entertaining arguement, but it's lost its fun. No one listens to the person with whom I was arguing anyhow, and none of his/her points are even worth rebutting.

As for your definition of skill, I would love to use it were it not generalized into redundancy and uselessness. Please take that in the most impersonal way possible; you yourself are far more skilled in every way listed on your blog than I. But , =/= ;
 
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There is only one class that requires skill to excel, and because of this that class is endangered, the warrior class, so be proud to be one, all other classes are a joke, and i am proud i never gave up my warrior to a dk or paladin, since i like to be melee. Right now what do you see? Yep, a bunch of shadow priests, pre patch? roguies, blood deekays and mages, pallies will be always OP...... you don't see too many wares anymore, and probably won't change in MoP....... Yet, warriors are demolishing killer machines, but, it takes "SKILL" to unleash their potential.
 
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