Is 20-29 (and retail in general) twinking dying?
- Thread starter glancealot
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ohti
quit
If you think that web forum moderators should be responsible for keeping a twinking bracket alive, I don't think you know what the word moderator means
Anybody is free to do something about it if they feel their community is 'dying', the fact that nobody will is not the staff team's fault lol
Anybody is free to do something about it if they feel their community is 'dying', the fact that nobody will is not the staff team's fault lol
glancealot
Legend
inaction is different from sabotage.
telling someone who recently returned but had a couple bad games (with a very hard-to-master class nonetheless) to quit the bracket all together is the definition of sabotage.
telling someone who recently returned but had a couple bad games (with a very hard-to-master class nonetheless) to quit the bracket all together is the definition of sabotage.
Chops
Soccer Dad
You caught me, my grand, sinister plan is to encourage people to have a healthy relationship with their hobbies.
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wait a minute. That cant be right
Lell
Member
29s are a cancer feeding on the fact that not all f2p's, be they twinks or otherwise, have left the bracket yet. Its not gonna be instant but eventually 20s twinks and f2p'ers will be fed up with getting oneshot and new players will quit after their first battleground. That is if blizzard even wants the new player experience to be ruined like that and lets the bracket go on like this for more than a few months.
If yall 29s defenders were actually serious about having a sustainable healthy twink pvp bracket you would switch over to 39s or any other bracket where you arent ruining the enjoyment of levelers and new players. Its either that or stay on blizzards naughty list forever, and whine until the bracket dies naturally or is shut down by blizz.
If yall 29s defenders were actually serious about having a sustainable healthy twink pvp bracket you would switch over to 39s or any other bracket where you arent ruining the enjoyment of levelers and new players. Its either that or stay on blizzards naughty list forever, and whine until the bracket dies naturally or is shut down by blizz.
blue09
Legend
Just like in nature, where there are cycles, this bracket has periods and periods. Right now you may think of 20's as prey and 29's as predators. Until the recent bracket change and due to SL scalling of old content, the environment was favorable for the 20's, so they grew in numbers, and the community as a whole grew. When the bracket changed, the conditions are favorable for the 29's witch led to overpopulation of predators in a short time. This is akin to releasing an invasive species into a biome not adapted to them. They will consume the 20's populace until there will be none left (aka nobody queue the bgs) and then you are left only with the 29's (basically it will self-balance).
This is a permanent situation until future changes to the current climate (but I do not mean DF changes, those will just empower the 29's further).
TL;DR if you play 29, you will inevitably reach a point where you will compete only against 29, in huge long queues and you will pay blizz the usual subscription for that, just like end game. 20's have too much FREE pve content available to remain bounded to pvp content.
This is a permanent situation until future changes to the current climate (but I do not mean DF changes, those will just empower the 29's further).
TL;DR if you play 29, you will inevitably reach a point where you will compete only against 29, in huge long queues and you will pay blizz the usual subscription for that, just like end game. 20's have too much FREE pve content available to remain bounded to pvp content.
Lell
Member
Which Im not sure is something blizzard would be ok with. Ive seen the argument thrown around that blizzard wants this to happen because new players who get wrecked by 29s in pvp are more likely to get a sub so they dont get wrecked anymore.
But I think the opposite will happen, instead of getting a sub new players will simply quit once they reach 20 and dont stand a chance in pvp; and once blizzard gets wind of that 29s are busted.
Now granted maybe the end result will be a completely separate 29s queue and maybe there will actually be enough players to support it. If people want to shit on people with half their health in bg's for the time being I dont really care. But dont act all surprised if non wargame pvp twinking dies out within a year.
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Warglave
Veteran
My God, the hypocrisy is so thick. Lmao.
YouMayBeSeated
Member
I personally think Blizz let the F2P players reign last too long. They lose so much money by catering to the desires of the F2P. They most definitely need to find a way to balance the level gap of 20/29 so that the experience is not tainted for the F2P. But from a financial standpoint, Blizz needed to implement some type of incentive for F2P players to sub.
The easiest way to fix the current issues would be to raise the 20’s to 29 upon entering PvP like they do now. But in combination with the level raise, the gear should have an ilvl increase implemented to correlate the level increase. This would drastically lower the power gap created by the level difference, while still giving incentive to sub for more content/dungeon options for gear.
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Lell
Member
Not sure what you mean. I was talking about retail 39s not wrath 39s where people are indeed shitting on levelers but thats a whole other topic.
[doublepost=1666441121,1666439667][/doublepost]Just to clarify, what the reasonable people in this thread are trying to do is tell you why the 29 bracket is in a bad spot. The only pettyness and hypocrisy here is people flooding the bracket with high level characters, making everyone leave and then demanding forum mods who dont even play the bracket to fix it for them.
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Lateraldrop
Grandfathered
Don't pretend d that the obvious troll attempt represents a popular viewpoint.
Warglave
Veteran
Geared f2play and vets literally did EXACTLY what you claim the evil 29 are doing... ruining the enjoyment of levelers and new players. You could not be more spot on to the status of the xpon 20-29 bracket for a good long while.
And locked 29 dont even get levelers.
Only f2play/vet got that. LMAO such a disgusting and yet perfect example of the free play mindset.
edit- I'm almost half tempted to believe that you're Glancealot trolling on an alt account. It's that bad...
As it currently looks, it's gonna suck in the leveling brackets too. Huge talent/ilvl disparity.
Only thing saving that is that leveling is so quick no one can get decently geared before out-leveling it at normal progress.
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Bakedaflol
The Arthritic Arch-Druid
Geared f2play and vets literally did EXACTLY what you claim the evil 29 are doing... ruining the enjoyment of levelers and new players. You could not be more spot on to the status of the xpon 20-29 bracket for a good long while.
And locked 29 dont even get levelers.
Only f2play/vet got that. LMAO such a disgusting and yet perfect example of the free play mindset.
edit- I'm almost half tempted to believe that you're Glancealot trolling on an alt account.
^ This. It's not like the bracket as it is now, is any more unfair than what it's been.
I generally don't like to put myself in these threads. I have a positive outlook on the bracket, wich I've made pretty obvious allready.
But this kinda makes me wanna ask people: What's wrong with being the underdog for once?
Conzil
F2P Legend
But this kinda makes me wanna ask people: What's wrong with being the underdog for once?
People forgetting F2Ps were the underdogs for a few expansion, we don’t mind that. We dislike the bracket dying.
Chops
Soccer Dad
nothing
Everyone is missing the point, either intentionally like Glance or accidentally like Warglave.
We've gone over this. Ad nauseum. Most of us who have been around a while arent bothered by the current disparity of power in the bracket. Its not new or different to any meaningful degree than years and years worth of past xpacs. So we do what we did in years past.
What bothers us is that we put a lot of effort into 20s and growing 20s and we were excited that people were suddenly playing our little niche bracket and we were building this whole scene with active guilds and competitive outlets and then, in less than a weekend, people gleefully destroyed it as soon as they were given a chance.
It was... shocking. But we moved on. The bracket is doing great without us.
glancealot
Legend
You don't know either of us that well yet you claim out of the blue that I am smarter than him, weird.