Smash
Grandfathered
Man...that is damn sexy...lol...you really need to finish that twink off...so much gear left to get...but when it's done you'll be at or near ilvl 840! ...it's going to be amazing! Best of luck!
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EU+US [Info] Gear for your twink! (101)
- Thread starter MyPerfection
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Man...that is damn sexy...lol...you really need to finish that twink off...so much gear left to get...but when it's done you'll be at or near ilvl 840! ...it's going to be amazing! Best of luck!
YoungWalrus
Legend
Check out my other twinks in my Signature
Smash
Grandfathered
Wow...very nice! Why do you need so many though? lol...you can only farm herbs on one at a time!
I'm working on making just one - what do you recommend? Frost DK or Fury Warrior? I want to dual wield the 810 maces!!Syrayeda
Legend
fury warrior wont do well using 1 handers. some abilities require dual wielding 2 handers since prepatchWow...very nice! Why do you need so many though? lol...you can only farm herbs on one at a time!
Warglaive
Grandfathered
They're just agility tho, arent they? So ENH sham, outlaw rogue, and DH would be best for those... no?
Also, i think after a certain point you'd still be better off with artifacts anyway because of the traits. I have 2 on my vengeance DH (but havent equipped them yet) - that artifact tree is kinda boring so it might not matter much.
DeLindsay
10s4Lyf
DH can't use Maces (unless my DH's are Broken) and I'm sure they're referring to OS as it would indeed likely be superior to use the Artifact Weapon for whichever Spec was chosen at 101.
Smash
Grandfathered
How about Frost DK's? I was thinking of going with the maces for Frost and the artifact weapon for Blood, that way I can switch when needed.
Warglaive
Grandfathered
Ya, i noticed that shortly after i posted. =/
Syrayeda
Legend
yup frost dks can use them. will just miss out on some strength but youll gain a lot more attack power from the weapons
Aelobin
DK Twink (80 / 85 / 101)
I decided to try estimate the value of leech since it's such a powerful tertiary stat at this level.
Unfortunately we can't get 101 stat weights for tank specs since simcraft doesn't support them all yet, so I'm using the 110 stat weights built into the most recent verison of the Pawn addon.
For each tank spec I took the stat weight of leech and divided it by the average of the 2nd and 3rd highest secondary stats. I chose to not include the highest and lowest secondary stats in case a class strongly favours a stat which might skew the results.
Blood DK: (1.75/((1.95+1.7)/2)) = 0.959
Veng DH: (3.16/((2.07+1.72)/2)) = 1.668
Bear Druid: (1.49/((0.57+0.38)/2)) = 3.137
BM Monk: (3.02/((0.47+0.43)/2)) = 6.711
Prot Pally: (2.41/((1.44+0.99)/2)) = 1.984
Prot War: (3.5/((1.89+0.69)/2)) = 2.713
Those numbers represent the power of leech compared to secondary stats. I then removed the highest/lowest outliers again (6.7 is a bit far ahead of the rest) and averaged them to get: 2.375
So according to this (very rough) estimate, leech is worth about 2.375x the value of a secondary stat for tanks (probably a lot more for dps specs). Using the socket values I calculated before, I can convert that to how many ilvls 100 leech is worth:
- Head: 14.3 (12.7-15.8)
- Neck: 37.2 (34.8-39.6)
- Shoulder: 18.2 (15.8-20.6)
- Back: 23.8 (20.6-26.9)
- Chest: 14.3 (12.7-15.8)
- Wrists: 23.8 (20.6-26.9)
- Hands: 18.2 (15.8-20.6)
- Waist: 18.2 (15.8-20.6)
- Legs: 14.3 (12.7-15.8)
- Feet: 18.2 (15.8-20.6)
- Ring: 38.0 (34.8-41.2)
- Trinket: 14.3 (12.7-15.8)
Unfortunately we can't get 101 stat weights for tank specs since simcraft doesn't support them all yet, so I'm using the 110 stat weights built into the most recent verison of the Pawn addon.
For each tank spec I took the stat weight of leech and divided it by the average of the 2nd and 3rd highest secondary stats. I chose to not include the highest and lowest secondary stats in case a class strongly favours a stat which might skew the results.
Blood DK: (1.75/((1.95+1.7)/2)) = 0.959
Veng DH: (3.16/((2.07+1.72)/2)) = 1.668
Bear Druid: (1.49/((0.57+0.38)/2)) = 3.137
BM Monk: (3.02/((0.47+0.43)/2)) = 6.711
Prot Pally: (2.41/((1.44+0.99)/2)) = 1.984
Prot War: (3.5/((1.89+0.69)/2)) = 2.713
Those numbers represent the power of leech compared to secondary stats. I then removed the highest/lowest outliers again (6.7 is a bit far ahead of the rest) and averaged them to get: 2.375
So according to this (very rough) estimate, leech is worth about 2.375x the value of a secondary stat for tanks (probably a lot more for dps specs). Using the socket values I calculated before, I can convert that to how many ilvls 100 leech is worth:
- Head: 14.3 (12.7-15.8)
- Neck: 37.2 (34.8-39.6)
- Shoulder: 18.2 (15.8-20.6)
- Back: 23.8 (20.6-26.9)
- Chest: 14.3 (12.7-15.8)
- Wrists: 23.8 (20.6-26.9)
- Hands: 18.2 (15.8-20.6)
- Waist: 18.2 (15.8-20.6)
- Legs: 14.3 (12.7-15.8)
- Feet: 18.2 (15.8-20.6)
- Ring: 38.0 (34.8-41.2)
- Trinket: 14.3 (12.7-15.8)
DeLindsay
10s4Lyf
For Disc Priest it's even more valuable. Atonement gives you basically 40%+ Leech (adjusted by Mastery). As long as you use any of the 4 Abilities on yourself once every 15 seconds (PWS the most obvious) then you can maintain that 40%+ "Leech" perma. What this means is that 101 Disc Priests are actually capable of ~100% Leech. They may not do as absurd burst Damage as HPally but I can say from the one I'm working on that they are VERY durable and quite high DPS.
DeLindsay
10s4Lyf
So after transferring a bunch of shit I had on another Realm back to my home Realm with all my Twinks I discovered Speed has DR added to it at ~110%. The ONLY exception I have found is Minor Speed Enchant on any Boots iLvL 1-600 for 10% and the WoD Gift Cloak Enchant for 2% aren't effected by DR. Here's a look at just how hard Blizz nerfed Run speed in Legion (great for burning through old Raid content for fast gold).
- Starting point: 100% RS (Run Speed).
- +835 Helm with 529 Speed: 111% RS.
- +835 Chest with 529 Speed: 116% RS.
- +845 Trinket with 412 Speed: 119% RS.
- +835 Gloves with 397 Speed: 120% RS.
- +725 Mark of Supreme Doom with 308 Speed: 121% RS.
- +835 Ring with 297 Speed: 122% RS.
- +Cloak with WoD Gift Enchant: 124% RS.
- +600 Boots with Minor Speed Enchant: 134% RS.
DeLindsay
10s4Lyf
I'm still working on mine but yes they'll be near impossible to kill thanks to Atonement. AOE will be the issue there so I'm uncertain about their speed of clear for Dungeons. Shockadin is actually surprisingly good for AOE with enough Crit/Haste, though nothing compared to Boomkin/DK/DH/etc.
Idrunk
Grandfathered
As a leather class would it be more beneficial to wear 835+ cloth items with 3rd stat instead of 800 leather or WoD mythic gear?
Is losing all the agility + 5% bonus agility for all leather worth the ilvl and other stat increases from cloth 835+ with 3rd stat and/or socket?
Edit: spelling and clarification.
Is losing all the agility + 5% bonus agility for all leather worth the ilvl and other stat increases from cloth 835+ with 3rd stat and/or socket?
Edit: spelling and clarification.
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DeLindsay
10s4Lyf
For iPvP no (some math below). For WPvP/PvE, Boomkin/Resto Druid and Mistweaver should work fine.
[This is in regards to a 101, NOT a LvL 19 so people don't reply as such] To gain 1% Stats in BG you need 10 Average iLvL. To gain 10 Average iLvL you need +160 Total iLvL over what you had previously (1 pc, 5 pcs, doesn't matter). In order to be of any real benefit you'd actually want +6% Stats (and even then it's only marginal). For 6% you need 60 Average iLvL or +960 Total iLvL. It's not even possible to gain that much overall iLvL by equipping 1-4 Cloth pcs even at 895 iLvL over 800's from Pillar Quests and/or HFC Mythic say 750+. To clarify:
Total iLvL: Add up every single item you have equipped to get XX.
Average iLvL: Take the above value and divide by 16. < this is what makes your BG Template, mostly >
The average 101 Twink with full 835 (Main Armor type) World Epics + all 800 Pillar pcs + HFC Mythic + WoD Craftable 725's to fill any gaps can achieve ~795 iLvL. Plate wearers with the same as above (but mixing all Armor types) can push that to ~825. A 30 Average iLvL difference will be a net loss (with a small gain in Secondaries). Values based on ONLY 835's, not an 850 here, 870 there.
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DeLindsay
10s4Lyf
FYI: You can Cap GCD on 101 Disc Priest with 50% Haste. At that point you have several options depending on your play style. More Crit is never a bad idea though I wouldn't push it much past 45% if you regularly do group content. Mastery is great if you like to go balls deep in DPS without too much care for actual Healing because of how much "Leech" Atonement provides your friendly targets (that you've healed/Bubbled in the past <15 sec). Lastly Versa is also a solid choice, especially for WPvP. Here's my basic recommendation you can test for yourself to see how well it works for you.
** It should be noted that Disc Priest can achieve well over 100% Leech with 100% uptime and upwards of ~150% Leech for 20 seconds every 2 minutes thanks to Eyasu's Mulligan. Even at 835, that Trinket's on use is ~50% Secondary Stat which equates to a direct +50% Atonement Healing.
*** The reason for only having Speed on the Helm is due to Blizz's stealth nerf to Movement Speed. At some point since 7.0 (Legion) Blizz implemented DR on Movement Speed at 110%. ONE item with Speed will not be effected by DR but a 2nd will. The Helm has the highest Tertiary Stat allocation (along with Chest, that Cloth doesn't have). That means at 895, a Helm with Speed should give you about 16% Movement Speed with a single item. The WoD 2% Gift Enchant stacks as well as the 10% from Minor Speed, but you'd have to go get an iLvL 600 pair of Boots from Skyreach to Enchant with Minor Speed, losing much of the benefit of higher iLvL Gear.
One thing to note, if you Enchant those iLvL 600 Boots THEN upgrade them to 610 with Valor, the Minor Speed Enchant still works. If you also happen to get the Speed proc on them that'll give you a total of 12% Movement Speed (10-11% with DR). And yes, Minor Speed is actually 10%, regardless of what the TT says.
- WPvP / Solo PvE: Haste (to 50%) > Versa spam >= w/e Crit your Gear gives you >= Mastery; with as much Leech** as you can get, and possibly Speed on Helm.
- PvE Group: Haste (to 50%) > Mastery spam >= Crit no more than ~45% >= w/e Versa your Gear gives you; with Speed on Helm*** and Leech the rest.
** It should be noted that Disc Priest can achieve well over 100% Leech with 100% uptime and upwards of ~150% Leech for 20 seconds every 2 minutes thanks to Eyasu's Mulligan. Even at 835, that Trinket's on use is ~50% Secondary Stat which equates to a direct +50% Atonement Healing.
*** The reason for only having Speed on the Helm is due to Blizz's stealth nerf to Movement Speed. At some point since 7.0 (Legion) Blizz implemented DR on Movement Speed at 110%. ONE item with Speed will not be effected by DR but a 2nd will. The Helm has the highest Tertiary Stat allocation (along with Chest, that Cloth doesn't have). That means at 895, a Helm with Speed should give you about 16% Movement Speed with a single item. The WoD 2% Gift Enchant stacks as well as the 10% from Minor Speed, but you'd have to go get an iLvL 600 pair of Boots from Skyreach to Enchant with Minor Speed, losing much of the benefit of higher iLvL Gear.
One thing to note, if you Enchant those iLvL 600 Boots THEN upgrade them to 610 with Valor, the Minor Speed Enchant still works. If you also happen to get the Speed proc on them that'll give you a total of 12% Movement Speed (10-11% with DR). And yes, Minor Speed is actually 10%, regardless of what the TT says.
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G0DF47H3R
Grandfathered
Has anyone ever actually seen this drop for a 101? I have seen other levels and comparative ilvl's, like 746 for 99 going up to 810 for 109 but have never seen this as an 835+ 101 BOE and I'm a Mythic AH raider! Everyone in the armory has Trejas cloak so I'm curious...