Hpal Is Going To Be The Best Healer In 8.1

Dcm said:
I understand where you're coming from, but I would like to mostly disagree. Sure, knowledge of the class, etc whatever, but what I'm getting at is there's a less variety of abilities, meaning stat priorities are way different, and at level 29 you don't have things like double bop or double freedom, matyr etc to crutch on.

I play mostly surv hunter at end game, so this is purely an example. But if holy shock is bad at end game, that doesn't mean that it's bad at lower levels because the scaling of abilities is vastly different. Holy shock at this level, no proc, but it heals for almost as much as a flash of light but with way less mana and it's instant cast. There's 100% a huge difference, and that's also why people who main twinks beat endgame gladiators in the TC more often than not.
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That's because endgame players are unfarmiliar with twink playstyle. I've done RBGs this season where I've repicked flags from our FC, executed a few minor walljumps and blew the mind of hero/gladiator players. They can learn a TON from twinks, just like twinks can learn a TON from gladiators. Yes, I do agree that stat priority is different, as are spells (by the way, HORRIBLE reference* as holy shock heals for 40ks right now @120). Overall, for you to say playing at what is considered high skill-level of endgame is inconclusive. I cant speak for everyone, but i'd rather have that multi 2600+ player on my team than some rat league twink who doesn't know what a dispel is.

SleepyShamann said:
As someone that has been playing Hpal for 10+ years I can tell you that nerf was needed... To be real with you. It wasn't even that good. Other than the double sac it wasn't really amazing. Now just Hpals are going to have to play ultimate sac every game to make up for the loss of 2 sacs. I still think Hpal will be a top tier healer at max 100%. Will it be as good? No. But we will for sure see new comps and a new play style to adapt to this change.
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I dont know. This is my first PVP season, and I am playing a 110 boosted character. The consequences of having bad hand of sacs will 100% be noticed, and I think it just knocked Hpal out of mid tier to rat tier
 
jwl said:
That's because endgame players are unfarmiliar with twink playstyle. I've done RBGs this season where I've repicked flags from our FC, executed a few minor walljumps and blew the mind of hero/gladiator players. They can learn a TON from twinks, just like twinks can learn a TON from gladiators. Yes, I do agree that stat priority is different, as are spells (by the way, HORRIBLE reference* as holy shock heals for 40ks right now @120). Overall, for you to say playing at what is considered high skill-level of endgame is inconclusive. I cant speak for everyone, but i'd rather have that multi 2600+ player on my team than some rat league twink who doesn't know what a dispel is.
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Now that's exactly why I said it was just purely an example of how things have been because I haven't played hpal main in a very long time. I guess a better example would be how when Denounce was insane in mop at level 20, it was good at 90, but it wasn't able to solo kill someone in a single hoj.

Once again, I definitely see your point, a lot of people who play twinks are mouthbreathers, but there's also a lot who do main twinks that aren't what you described and I would much prefer a "seasoned" twink over a 2.6 player who's new and wants to act like they know everything because "this is how it is at endgame". Agree to disagree I guess
 
Mop shokadins never forget.
 
Dcm said:
Congrats on failing to recognize that your 2.6 rating doesn't mean shit here because twinking =\= endgame.

And also congrats on failing to completely get the point I was making about why crit isn't good at this bracket, not end game.

thank u, next
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You said no one has said crit vers is good. You literally cant read can you?

Guess what I said... ready? I said people have said crit vers is good. Nice try though I like the fight in you
 
SleepyShamann said:
You said no one has said crit vers is good. You literally cant read can you?

Guess what I said... ready? I said people have said crit vers is good. Nice try though I like the fight in you
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Still failing to get my point. Sorry but try again
 
Dcm said:
I would much prefer a "seasoned" twink over a 2.6 player who's new and wants to act like they know everything because "this is how it is at endgame". Agree to disagree I guess
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I've mained twinking for about 12 years. Do you know how often it is that come across a twink whom actually makes impressive plays? Doesn't overlap/DR? Dispels instantly? tries to fakecast or force my trinket early? Not often at all.
That's because twink players have grown so farmiliar with how braindead twinking truly is, and they expect everything to die instantly, because that is sorta how it goes.

I am not saying that twink players are terrible at this game, but when you compare the average twink to a hero/glad, you'd be wrong to even consider the twink contributing more to a winning game. Is this a set-in-stone thing? Of course not.
Like I said, endgame players are ignorant towards our playstyle. Just like we are ignorant towards their playstyle.
 
SleepyShamann said:
Your point was literally I am stupid and that no one said crit vers was good. But people have. Are you really this ignorant? ffs.
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The same could be said about you though, because you're so fixated on the fact that crit/vers is so good when it's just very lackluster in comparison to haste/vers at level 20-29
 
Dcm said:
The same could be said about you though, because you're so fixated on the fact that crit/vers is so good when it's just very lackluster in comparison to haste/vers at level 20-29
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Dude i never said crit vers is good? I literally said stack haste vers in my post. No english?
 
Yall dont even remember exorcism spam smh
 
jwl said:
Yall dont even remember exorcism spam smh
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Awww man was great on prot pally too
I remember stacking some int on my prot pally in cata just to cast once more exorcism before running out of mana (was a dumb idea but funny nonetheless)
 
SleepyShamann said:
Everyone was doubting us Hpal players. No one thought we could do it. But now we shall rise.

Flash of Light increased by 15%!!
Holy Light increases by 25%!!

Quick little guide to these changes.
STACK HASTE VERS NOT CRIT VERS!!!!!!!!!

If you want fast and fat holy lights but still big heals because of the Vers you have this is 100000% the way to go.

Yea yea everyone likes to go crit vers for what holy shocks? Lul holy shock is garb af at 29.

You guys can say ohhh well as Hpal you have to cast a lot. But if you know how to fake guess what? You can free cast for fucking days. Not to mention stacking haste reduce those cast times by insane amounts of time.

Rsham? That’s cute. Priest? That’s cute. Do they have a bubble which can be used as a 2nd trinket? No. Do they have a 100% movement speed mount that can go faster than sonic? Nope. Do they have a 6 second stun that doesn’t dr? Nope.

Shaman has kick yea for 2-3 seconds not a big deal. Do they have a 6 second stun? That doesn’t dr with blind or trap? Nope.

Hpal is meta and it’s time for us to come out of the shadows and shit on some FOTM healers.

Please don’t turn this thread into a rage fest. Thanks :)
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Literally been saying crit was trash and to stack haste for years. Where have you been and stop listening to bads.

Just listen to me and you'll be ok friend.
 
tence said:
Literally been saying crit was trash and to stack haste for years. Where have you been and stop listening to bads.

Just listen to me and you'll be ok friend.
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Been here for years yet haven't seen you once? Lol no need to think you are good tuff guy. Go back to being a keyboard warrior somewhere else. :)
 
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