Khanodruid
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Who should I trust... I'll just try both I guess.
Feral Druid Questions
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yorkie said:
with 30 haste rating (~20% iirc) your energy regen increases. A feral druid wishing to dish out damage requires energy. Even if you enter bear form, you will still be regening energy, so with haste you will be able to re-enter cat form more quickly, if you use this tactic, with more haste. Also with more haste your white damage increases substantially, ending with much more white damage than if you took the flat AP. The consquence of this is that you may not have quite as much damage to burst with in the very short term, however after your initial energy pool is emptied you will be dealing more damage with haste.
Also, afaik haste does affect damaging DoTs, atleast it did a month ago on beta.
The bolded bit is untrue, it is not the fast speed that makes a proc generally a poor choice, it is the low PPH. PPH is not lowered by haste, infact PPM is raised by haste. I am willing to concede that Smites may be better than glacial if you can show mathematic behind it, i did some a while ago, and i concluded that glacial was better, but i cant remember the exact results or where i did it.
If you read the entire thread it was asking about a NoN-BoA druid. I made this mistake too, but just so you know. With BoA it is indeed a different story, though not quite as you tell it.
I admit that i have not tried this first hand, since im not ingame atm. However, i would not be speccing into Predatory Strikes. Furor and Feral Swiftness are both far more appealing to me.
You were suspended for 3 days for blatantly trolling on a 1post character. I have little issue with you insulting me, however i do have issues with you insulting other members.
Theme said:
Druids, shamans and paladins get about 37% more haste from rating than other classes iirc. Also, haste does not stack linearly, 4.73 haste on one item (gloves) and 9.46% on another (weapon) does not add up as 4.73+9.46. It adds geometrically, 1.0473*1.0946= 1.1492 => 14.92% haste
Anywho, yes druids get haste differently to warriors.
IllyBillyn
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I've been playing my druid feral for the last few days, using my pre-4.0.1 feral gear that didn't get much use before. I haven't redone enchants, and haven't bothered using my BoAs other than the pvp shoulders i already had on this toon. My sense is that for all the logic behind haste, it's utility in most WSG combat situations is less than +agility.
The reason why is that most combat situations are over very fast, with natural pauses in between. Probably half the time your target is dead before you even spend 100 energy, and stacking AP will contribute to this effect. Haste, on the other hand, may be more useful in sustained combat against an FC who is getting healed I guess when energy regen may make more of an effect. Even then I wonder, though, because it may be more about the burst of beating out a heal by saving up to 100 enegery when you already have 5 combo points and following your finish with a couple of fast mangles. That burst would be helped more by +agility than +haste i think
The reason why is that most combat situations are over very fast, with natural pauses in between. Probably half the time your target is dead before you even spend 100 energy, and stacking AP will contribute to this effect. Haste, on the other hand, may be more useful in sustained combat against an FC who is getting healed I guess when energy regen may make more of an effect. Even then I wonder, though, because it may be more about the burst of beating out a heal by saving up to 100 enegery when you already have 5 combo points and following your finish with a couple of fast mangles. That burst would be helped more by +agility than +haste i think
Theme
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Okey, I couldnt get to my mind if the buff was given to all melee or just specific classes, thx for confirming. Although Id like to see where did you get the idea haste would stack like that? Rating scales lineary theres nothing fancy about it, x rating gives you haste and 2x rating gives you double that haste. Easy to confirm: if I equip 10 rating my tooltip says 4.73% and if I equip 30 it says 14.18, and 4.73*3=14.19, difference there is from the way game rounds numbers. But its clearly linear. Different % effects like talents and things like power infusion/bloodlust work differently, but rating is linear.
WoWWikiQUOTE said:
Oops, ok i was wrong, its not haste rating that stacks multipicatively, its haste effects.I've never noticed that before, ive gone around thinking it was rating for years, even though its really illogical ^^ My bad.
Haste - WoWWiki - Your guide to the World of Warcraft
Khanodruid
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Haha damn, so nobody can prove to me 100% haste is better than agil or vice versa? Every time somebody says something someone else argues it.
McCashDollar
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Yorki is right every one else is wrong
Im right the agi is not as good as hast e ihave already proved it on my previous post with quantum physics and mathematics im right Kore-tits and the other poopy face is wrong Im #1 feral druid its a fact and i cant believe this is an argument its obvious that feral needs oto do damage fast and if you dont do shit with ur 5 stacked Ferocious bite ur ganna get fucked in the end
PS: if you dont spec into preditory strikes YOUR A FUCKING IDIOT
Im right the agi is not as good as hast e ihave already proved it on my previous post with quantum physics and mathematics im right Kore-tits and the other poopy face is wrong Im #1 feral druid its a fact and i cant believe this is an argument its obvious that feral needs oto do damage fast and if you dont do shit with ur 5 stacked Ferocious bite ur ganna get fucked in the end
PS: if you dont spec into preditory strikes YOUR A FUCKING IDIOT
niyals said:
keep it clean.
McCashDollar
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Marystus please dont talk you have no idea wat your saying when you say Power shift, Agi over haste 100% furor is cock compaired to instant cast anything? and Kore likes men.
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~Jsy~
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Yorkie, why all the hate? The last time I checked, this site was used for discussion, express ideas and all that shizzle. Thats the beauty of a place like this, everyone can be right, depending on the circumstance.
On that note, I have tried haste v Agi and I agree with you (Apart from predatory strikes thing, I prefer furor). In WSG with not much ToT due to the burst involved at the moment, I prefer the initial output that agi gives you.
However, I don't agree with trash talk towards Kore, he doesn't deserve it, and is a cool fella who has done his bit for the twink community. Express your opinions, argue your case, but chill with the trash talk
On that note, I have tried haste v Agi and I agree with you (Apart from predatory strikes thing, I prefer furor). In WSG with not much ToT due to the burst involved at the moment, I prefer the initial output that agi gives you.
However, I don't agree with trash talk towards Kore, he doesn't deserve it, and is a cool fella who has done his bit for the twink community. Express your opinions, argue your case, but chill with the trash talk
Distort
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niyals said:
From my experiences as a feral druid, Predatory Strikes serves a lot more utility than Furor. Sometimes it's crucial to get an instant heal/roots whenever on Offense.. Since dispells don't exist anymore, rooting a healer to LoS the EFC is quite dire. Sure, Furor offers energy conservation but there's no point in all that energy if the EFC is receiving too much healing or you are dieing from a dps located on D. Predatory Strikes offer a lot more versatility which might either make or break a return on the flag. I'll do some studies to see exactly the effectiveness of each spec, BRB!
Moggles
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yorkie said:
I agree.
Haste would be good if Predatory Strikes wasn't a talent but it is. I don't see why people think furor is better. Maybe in some situations furor is pretty damn nice to have but having a convenience on your side and having a game breaking insta cast whatever the F you want hold more value to me.
edit: what is your druid's name? Id like to see his gear.
Rivfader
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Moggles said:
I'm curious as to how you intend to gain the CPs needed to proc Predatory Strikes when powershifting drains all your energy.
If you are one of the ferals who enjoys sitting in novas and roots, then predatory strikes is a good choice. If you are a feral who uses powershifting and feral swiftness to maintain a high ToT Furor is a good choice. Speaking from an endgame feral PoV haste tends to beat out agi (pre cata patch). With bleeds and energy regen benefitting from haste now I would not discount it as a desireable stat. The only thing that I would keep in mind is that your choice is between 40 agi or 30 haste, not exactly a 1:1 exchange.
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