F2P Rankings: Achievements, HKs, and more!

Updated lists and added a new ranking for "Kill Score" based on your Total Killing Blows - Total Deaths in battlegrounds. The Kill-death ratio is also displayed in parentheses.

I also am not listing characters that have not chosen a spec, although they are still tracked internally and will be re-added if they become active again in the future.
 
Licholas said:
23/25 are hunters
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Yeah that is one issue with the new ranking, I didn't realize there would be so many hunters. Fortunately the top 100 kill rankings are more diverse and pickup quite a few characters that don't appear in the other listings.
 
lofi said:
Yeah that is one issue with the new ranking, I didn't realize there would be so many hunters. Fortunately the top 100 kill rankings are more diverse and pickup quite a few characters that don't appear in the other listings.
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Wouldn't it make more sense to sort it by rating?
 
Aradiel said:
Kill ranking is based on kills. Who is actually killing things in BGs? That's what it's saying. Other than K/D ratio, there is also kill/HK ratio to consider. Who is actually killing things compared to sitting back soaking up HKs. Leaving and premading will only affect your K/D ratio, not your total kill count. Nothing kills more than Kale, not even hunts, although that may change in future.

Many times I've had variations of this conversation:

FC: Kale, do you want the flag?
Kale: No, I kill things. I don't hold flags.
FC: Ah, okay.

Also, the top100 HK rankings have the wrong headings.
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True, i've seen kale multiples times in bgs and he just kills or go in for the kill. Same thing i do ;)
 
Aradiel said:
Kill ranking is based on kills. Who is actually killing things in BGs? That's what it's saying. Other than K/D ratio, there is also kill/HK ratio to consider. Who is actually killing things compared to sitting back soaking up HKs. Leaving and premading will only affect your K/D ratio, not your total kill count. Nothing kills more than Kale, not even hunts, although that may change in future.

Many times I've had variations of this conversation:

FC: Kale, do you want the flag?
Kale: No, I kill things. I don't hold flags.
FC: Ah, okay.

Also, the top100 HK rankings have the wrong headings.
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U have 167HKs, i havent checked all players, but i think u are the one with the most HKs, so that helps you being 1st.

U kill things, does that means u are mid farmer? cuz mid farmers have same excuse to dont carry flag, help fc... etc.
 
Thor said:
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Hes not the only one...

tbh its fair enough to AFK, if teams are very unbalanced, if ur getting farmed ,if ur team is retarded, or if u have something urgent to do IRL.

Ive personally even letted enemy team return my flag cuz rest of my team was farming instead of going efc.
Sometimes i enter bg, see bunch of noobs on my team and lots of 24s on enemy team... waste of time, drinks,potions,scroll,food.
U know u will have to carry ur team and if ur not in the mod, AFK :)
 
Looks like Maratian is back in the game, not sure whether thats good or bad tho :p

Check his HK count on the list and check it here armory
+ last updated 3/15 at the bottom
 
Licholas said:
i'd prefer an updated PvE rankings formula to these kill rankings
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this ^ it honestly isn't that tough to see who is p2p or f2p. No1 who is f2p should have any level 50+ achievement and no profs over 100 and plenty of easy verifications even with wrath raids and dks possible for f2ps.. I just assume me felix and thor are the only 4k + people but a list would be helpful to verify.
 
Thanks for all the feedback and bug reports! I have made some big changes with the Kill Rankings that will be updated soon (just after the capture is done).

I have also given the app I wrote to generate the listings a major facelift by adding a SQL database. This will make it easier to do more with the listings and play with the data to see what metrics are viable. In short, I will never post a list with 22 hunters in the top 25 ever again! :p

The new Kill Rankings metric is based off the following formula:

Kill Score = (Killing Blows + Honorable Kills) / (Deaths + AFK Penalty)
Minimum Criteria: 2000+ combined HKs in WSG and AB.

The reason I chose to add HKs is so that healers could fairly be represented on the listing. Healers will generally have fewer deaths and killing blows.

The AFK Penalty was added to counter the bias that AFKs have on the statistics.

AFK Penalty = 2 * Estimated AFKs

In order to estimate AFKs, I first calculate the average number of HKs per battle (e.g. WSG: 44.368 AB: 37.578)
I then compare each players average with the overall average to estimate number of AFKs:

Estimated AFKs = (PlayerAvg / OverallAvg - 1) * Total Battles

For example if the overall average was 40 hks/battle.. and your average was 60 hks/battle and you played 100 games (according to armory), then you would have 50 estimated AFKs.

The AFK penalty is determined separately for WSG and AB, the numbers are then added together, and only applicable when the combined value is positive.

I'm sure this formula will be up to much scrutiny, but it was the best I could come up with after hours of playing with the numbers. Please if you have some criticism offer a suggestion on how it could be improved. I think the end result is a diverse list of well-respected players on top, and will let you decide that for yourself.

I am still planning a PvE rankings, and the refactor of app was paving the way for this to happen. I was planning a metric based on PvE statistics including professions, reputation, etc. The problem I see with a "pure F2P" achievement list as suggested is that even if you are "pure F2P", the achievements are shared among all characters on your F2P account, so you could roll a new toon and start with all your achieves. Also, there is also no way to know for certain if a toon is pure F2p (i.e. it's possible you have a P2P and didn't level it past 59).
 
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lofi said:
I am still planning a PvE rankings, and the refactor of app was paving the way for this to happen. I was planning a metric based on PvE statistics including professions, reputation, etc. The problem I see with a "pure F2P" achievement list as suggested is that even if you are "pure F2P", the achievements are shared among all characters on your F2P account, so you could roll a new toon and start with all your achieves. Also, there is also no way to know for certain if a toon is pure F2p (i.e. it's possible you have a P2P and didn't level it past 59).
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What if I make a deal with you? I will personally go through each of the top 100 people and I will PM you a list of the top people in order and the number of achievements they have then you put it in that cool and neat format you use? I know exactly which achievements to look for and since I made a DK (and I even made a master list of the possible achievements :p ) I know which achievements are possible and which ones make them a P2P. If they have 1 P2P achievement on their armory they will be off the list however for people who linked they could do character only achievements which would make the achievements lower but not by much more then 300 probably.

I would do this ONLY because I want it personally but I don't want to make my own thread since it is your idea but I could help you maintain the achievement version with updates every either 2 weeks or month
 
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