“Experience points can no longer be disabled in current expansion content”

[zazzyfraz]

xp stayed off in dungeon for 50, doing insane dmg. ilvl of loot is 92

engineering took me less than 10k to get to 65(all consumes and tinkers learned)

farming necrotic wake 2nd trinket, then taking a look at rares while i farm reknown rank 2


bgs are still 1 combined xpon and xpoff for 50, and i can use Death Chakram. i will be attempting the move back in a day or 2, this is my first toon i moved onto sl

 

[DeLindsay]

Alright, finally leveled up another 49 and I can now say 100% fact it has NOTHING to do with Shadowlands. I haven't done ANY part of the Quest (not Icecrown, not the Maw, nothing) and that bitch won't even talk to me. She gives the same response, "The situation in Icecrown needs you. Without your help, Azeroth's future is doomed!"

If I abandon the Shadowlands popup Quest (tough, because it comes right back) then she'll let me pick a Timeline, but only for a moment, then it's right back to she won't do shit. If you're super fast you can force it.

So there's definitive proof it's not because Blizz doesn't want us to have OP iLvL gear to "rape levelers". It's clearly a Bug and I hope Blizz fixes it soon. Now I'm fucked and can't finish the few TBC Quests I had in my log on this new 49 either.

 

[Chops]

Alright, finally leveled up another 49 and I can now say 100% fact it has NOTHING to do with Shadowlands. I haven't done ANY part of the Quest (not Icecrown, not the Maw, nothing) and that bitch won't even talk to me. She gives the same response, "The situation in Icecrown needs you. Without your help, Azeroth's future is doomed!"

If I abandon the Shadowlands popup Quest (tough, because it comes right back) then she'll let me pick a Timeline, but only for a moment, then it's right back to she won't do shit. If you're super fast you can force it.

So there's definitive proof it's not because Blizz doesn't want us to have OP iLvL gear to "rape levelers". It's clearly a Bug and I hope Blizz fixes it soon. Now I'm fucked and can't finish the few TBC Quests I had in my log on this new 49 either.

Ive only been halfway following this but I would imagine that since Chromie time is designed to allow you to level up to SL content, that Chromie time is then disabled once you reach a level that makes you eligible for that content. But they also allow you to enable XP locking to stay in your chosen Chromie Time up to level 50 and finish the story.

So could you, say, choose a timeline at level 47? And then stay in it till 49, then lock your xp and move into SL content... while still having access to your chosen Xpac content?

 

[DeLindsay]

So could you, say, choose a timeline at level 47? And then stay in it till 49, then lock your xp and move into SL content... while still having access to your chosen Xpac content?

Yes, you can enter/exit Chromie Time at any point from 10-49 per Blizz. I was still able to get back into Chromie Time in the moments between abandoning the SL Breadcrumb Quest and speaking with her to enable it again. It's clearly a Bug. It's the forced auto-accept "Call to Arms" type of Quest for Shadowlands itself that's causing the problem, it's the same at Level 48 as well.

 

[Warglave]

could you, say, choose a timeline at level 47? And then stay in it till 49,

On my last ding to 48 I was in WoD timeline and the surrounding mobs remained level 47 (proper chromie level) when i dinged... but I didnt check to see if they remained that level once I left the zone/expansion. It was the same that chromie wouldnt talk to me, however, so at best I was locked into WoD chromie time for the remainder of my pre-SL experience.

I didnt check anything else about it tho, but of note was that WoD treasure items I picked up off the ground at 47 showed on-screen that they were ilvl 52 or so when i looted them, but in my bags they were actually ilvl 46... but monsters dropping rare items when killed still dropped actual ilvl 52 items. Just a chromie-time thing I guess when over an xpac level, not an SL thing. But interesting, if not common knowledge already.

But yeah, the SL quest is auto-accept so there is no way around it except perhaps to remain in your final chromie choice forever.
[doublepost=1607268482,1607266369][/doublepost]So two additional interesting tidbits...

First, just noticed that Chromie is no longer an hourglass on the main Org map on my 48 (denoting she is "gone" to me).

And second, I locked that 48 to see what it was like to do teh storyline bit at 48 for quest rewards and such (assumed exactly the same) - but when i got to the part where the Oribos flight master sends you to bastion the first time, he disappeared. I completed the portal summoning quest and before I could talk to him both he and the other NPC summoner disappeared. Not only did he disappear from my quest location, he is gone from Oribos entirely... but just for me. I can see other players using him and flying away at his normal location but he simply is invisible to my level 48 right before i go to bastion.

Maybe just a bug, maybe more control-freak gating by Blizz. Who knows...

edit- I also went back and turned my XP back on and he was still missing, not a locked XP thing.

 

[DeLindsay]

@Warglave If you're quick (maybe helped by Server lag) you can abandon the SL Quest > talk to Chromie > get back into Chromie Time of choice. I did it last night and everything is working as normal at 49, Mobs-Loot-etc are all scaled correctly. It's clearly a Bug to do with that auto-accept Quest.

 

[DeLindsay]

My latest response.

 

[Jonnes]

Lmao at how they threw the word minor in there for no reason. Really shows how they view roadblocks for the twink community as unimportant.

 

[Chops]

yall gonna get em so flustered theyre just gonna yank the xp-off mechanic altogether and it wont have anything to do with exploits or twinking lol

 

[DeLindsay]

@Chops All I did was bring to their attention a clearly unintended bug, how would that end in them removing the XP disabling NPC's? Chromie Time is new, the Level squish is new, Shadowlands is new, all of it is causing loads of bugs and Blizzard needs to get them fixed (and they have been). No where in any of the Official wording about the new Chromie Time mechanic does it state that once you hit 48 and the Game force auto-accepts the Shadowlands breadcrumb Quest that you are now no longer able to interact with Chromie. That means it was unintended.

 

[Chops]

how would that end in them removing the XP disabling NPC's?

Im tellin yall, at some point theyre just going to decide this ancient mechanic is more trouble than its worth and constantly devoting dev time to it will start to be a cost/benefit that no longer makes sense and they'll just nuke it.

 

[DeLindsay]

Im tellin yall, at some point theyre just going to decide this ancient mechanic is more trouble than its worth and constantly devoting dev time to it will start to be a cost/benefit that no longer makes sense and they'll just nuke it.

They certainly might but look at it from this perspective. I Bug reported ONE thing. I didn't bump my report, I didn't nag them daily about it, I waited for a response each time to reply. Now lets talk about the dozens (that we know of) Threads where Players were bumping with their own Accounts (against ToS) and literally screaming at Blizz in all caps to nerf the high iLvL gear low Levels Twinks had during Pre-Patch. If anything is going to cause Blizz to cancel Twinks permanently, it's that.

 

[dirtypaws]

The issue exists xp on or xp off, I haven’t read the tickets but the fact Xp is disabled wouldn’t even need mentioning would it?

blizz should/could state you have chrome for 1-48, 48-60 as it’s the current content you have story mode or TOF and forces you into shadowlands as it’s new/current.

 

[DeLindsay]

@dirtypaws Further up in my Ticket I did state that I tried at 48 and 49 with and without XP disabled, same result. Blizzard advertised Chromie Time as a 10-49 experience knowing full well that the new XPac was weeks away (talking about Pre-Patch). While they COULD change their minds to 10-the moment you ding 48, they haven't as of yet, therefore it IS a Bug.

EDIT: I should also point out that I've thoroughly tested well geared SL 49's (iLvL ~89) and they are absolutely lackluster. So the argument that we'll get OP gear then "rape the Levelers" is irrelevant. Add to that fact WoW is 100% PvE unless you the Player force enable PvP (Warmode) and then you know exactly what you're getting yourself into for World PvP, since XPOff is in it's own BG's.

 

[Chops]

The issue exists xp on or xp off, I haven’t read the tickets but the fact Xp is disabled wouldn’t even need mentioning would it?

Its only an issue to people who want to lock their XP, stay in a chromie time shard and still have access to SL content. In other words, its only an issue to 49 xp-off players.

My point, that I guess I have to clarify because delindsey wants to make it A Thing, is that at some point theyre gonna decide that the xp-off mechanic just isnt worth it anymore. Between having to deal with power levelers, exploiting twinks, Chromie time manipulation and whatever shenanigans we get up to in the future, theyll eventually just decide that having a mechanic thats used *only* by people trying to break their game just isnt worth it. Just look at how powerlevelers in BFA caused such a stink that they had to add the party wide buff... that then got used to exploit twinks into BGs. And now 49s are attempting to break chromie time/SL content access.

Its not about them caring one way or the other about twinks, per say, just that a tool twinks use is causing long term and persistent grief to a dev team thats probably stretched pretty thin these days.

 

[Warglave]

blizz should/could state you have chrome for 1-48, 48-60 as it’s the current content you have story mode or TOF and forces you into shadowlands as it’s new/current.

I'm currently stuck on a level 48 in Oribos because the NPC that sends you to bastion has vanished. Literally an XP lock issue as you'd never get that far as level 48 with XP on... so truly SL isnt 48-60 either. Blizz is just suck.

Could be a bug but seems more a level issue. After a while I'll level to 49 and see if it fixes it but as for now I'll wait.
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because delindsey wants to make it A Thing, is that at some point theyre gonna decide that the xp-off mechanic just isnt worth it anymore.

I think one person wanting access to chromie at level 48 is far less exhausting than the ones locking at 20 and unsubbing to farm levelers. He's literally a paying customer with a customer service issue, not a freebie crying to avoid twinks.

If you wanna moan about anyone "runing" locked XP then look no further than veterans not paying to loop around it.

 

[DeLindsay]

Its only an issue to people who want to lock their XP, stay in a chromie time shard and still have access to SL content. In other words, its only an issue to 49 xp-off players.

Oh really? So say I'm a Leveler and am solo leveling through MoP Chromie Time and ding 48, and thus get the SL Quest force auto-accepts but I'm not ready to head into SL just yet. My Guildees ask if anyone wants to level with them in Cata Chromie Time as they're going to Dungeon spam for a while. I say yes, head over to Chromie to change Timeline... oh wait, I can't because the Game won't let me due to this "minor" Bug that Blizz has already acknowledged is a Bug and are working on fixing. Damn, I guess it sucks for me as an XPOn Leveler that I can't play the Game AS INTENDED until it's fixed.

 

[Warglave]

Maybe you can party-sync into.... no wait - that's just for max level to get into BG and farm lowbies, not leveling.

Blizz sucks at lots of stuff. Blaming twinks for their incompetence isnt really justified. There's nothing "abusive" to do with 49 anyway. Just using mechanics supposedly offered to you to further your personal enjoyment of something you pay for.

Locking XP isnt for PvP, it's to enjoy older content at appropriate level - exactly like chromie time. They are not exclusive.

 

[Chops]

If you wanna moan about anyone "runing" locked XP then look no further than veterans not paying to loop around it.

Im not moaning about it, im point it out. Im on team "nuke the mechanic" anyway, I just know thats a minority position and if you guys want to preserve it then the smart move is to stop bending/breaking it. Im looking out for you here.

Oh really? So say I'm a Leveler and am solo leveling through MoP Chromie Time and ding 48, and thus get the SL Quest force auto-accepts but I'm not ready to head into SL just yet. My Guildees ask if anyone wants to level with them in Cata Chromie Time as they're going to Dungeon spam for a while. I say yes, head over to Chromie to change Timeline... oh wait, I can't because the Game won't let me due to this "minor" Bug that Blizz has already acknowledged is a Bug and are working on fixing. Damn, I guess it sucks for me as an XPOn Leveler that I can't play the Game AS INTENDED until it's fixed.

Doesnt that scenario go "ok, invite me" and then you dont have to swap timelines?

Yall are arguing like Im trying to justify them pulling the plug on the mechanic and not like Im merely pointing out that this is another straw that going on the pile.

 

[Warglave]

Im on team "nuke the mechanic" anyway,

I know, and I'm not really harping on you about it - just offering that this is a legitimate service gripe, not an "XP-thing".

Im merely pointing out that this is another straw

Should that be the straw then good riddance, Blizz was doing it anyway. To cut a widely used feature for its exact intention would be just perfect Blizz. If you cant use it for exactly what it's supposed to be for then truly no one should use it at all.