Enhancement Shaman

Chops said:
its probably far more fun at least, which honestly is all that matters.
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But, then I feel like I need to get verse so the heals don't bitch... feels like a lot of work.
 
Vers is overrated as a damage reduction stat.
1.) It's greatly reduced in BG
2.) 2 stamina>2 vers in terms of your total effective health
3.) We lack the endgame pvp trinket that really makes it effective https://www.wowdb.com/items/185304-unchained-gladiators-medallion

If mast and haste are good, I'd run a few 2s/2a gems to get your health above 3200 and you can worry less about vers.

INB4
No vers is not pointless, I'm just arguing don't hamper your 2 other major stats to get it.
Vers as a damage increase is still an OK choice, esp if you are a class that doesn't benefit well from mast.
 
Verse does help make leveler/lazy no gem gear F2p heals useful on you I guess.

I do think there needs to be some level of stamina reached that lets you take an initial volley at least from the non hunter classes and then use trinkets/whatever to try to heal.

the 1600 range world just seems like its not enough.


The real question is Crit that much better where it's worth giving up anywhere you can for Verse.
 
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I'm also not a huge fan of ghost iron dragonling right now... its just keeps being fury warrior fuel to the Nth degree and half the time I think I'm yelling about pets, its actually just crappy dragons.

It's much different with heals than it is trying to make things happen solo (obviously). But some of the games even dying 10 times with 1 kill versus a premade the damage is still in the 100k range... which still blows my mind. With that being said getting the Argussian Compass and possibly another survival trinket to try out for general pugs.

I tried the two mastery trinkets out(Tusk/Injector)... they are kind of bonkers when you want to kill a healer, since Mastery effects everything you do DIRECTLY, you basically get double damage when you pop both of them for 10 seconds. Still weighing that out vs. just having 2x +7agility +10 mastery i28 trinkets with speed/gem slot... which is a lot of static stats to lose out on.

I've burned though to many free days I think, my requests are denied :D... might need to resub to gem out the way I really want :(
 
JadeFire said:
I do think there needs to be some level of stamina reached that lets you take an initial volley at least from the non hunter classes and then use trinkets/whatever to try to heal
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I know its a whole different class, but my warrior is sitting just above 2200 open world and that seems like a pretty good sweet spot. I feel like I could maybe drop to 2100 even and pick up some more strength. But That amount lets me survive an opener from a rogue and friend or tank a trap/aimed shot from a hunter.

ymmv obviously, but I'd definitely recommend at least some agi/stam gems. I doubt you'd really miss 10 agi but 20 stam could be a game changer.
 
Crit haste is insane on enhance. I put my enhance on a break and about to start a shadow priest and eventually I will finish my shaman! Hands down has been my favorite experience so far in the 20s bracket of shadowlands.
 
I think the final build will just be determined if using ALL BC gem gear (crit/haste) with max stats (either +3agi or +2+2) is better than stacking Haste/Mastery... Mastery is unarguably nuts as a damage buff.

Crit helps a lot, but I doubt it can overtake just raw Agility/Mastery as the correct choice, the i28s look pretty good... especially if you take terts as well.

21% Haste BG (26% world) gives you that 5sec flame and 5sec frost (that is not full nerd math, just tool tip)... seems pointless to me to spend too many more points on haste.
 
JadeFire said:
I think the final build will just be determined if using ALL BC gem gear (crit/haste) with max stats (either +3agi or +2+2) is better than stacking Haste/Mastery... Mastery is unarguably nuts as a damage buff.

Crit helps a lot, but I doubt it can overtake just raw Agility/Mastery as the correct choice, the i28s look pretty good... especially if you take terts as well.

21% Haste BG (26% world) gives you that 5sec flame and 5sec frost (that is not full nerd math, just tool tip)... seems pointless to me to spend too many more points on haste.
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When I finish my shaman I want to go agi Stam in alot of slots. Survival is rough. I tend to get focused as enhance.
 
Kind of curious how it would be to cheese crusader on an ENH until it's fixed.... how much damage do you actually lose giving up weapon enchants? Versus dead? Might make the class more enjoyable in the current state of things... maybe not.
 
Warglave said:
Kind of curious how it would be to cheese crusader on an ENH until it's fixed.... how much damage do you actually lose giving up weapon enchants? Versus dead? Might make the class more enjoyable in the current state of things... maybe not.
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I tried it, its ok... it goes off sometimes just like any other class... You just don't have whirlwind which is the main reason crusader is even a thing right now... as far as actually being busted.

Most people will just say Haste and Crit works the best, because that is what's on the BC gear and they have not really tested anything else. It's understandable and we have seen that 1 million times before. And again, it might be... more gem slots for agility + whatever might be more damage than Mastery (since it scales down). And as always, the fundamental problem with Crit, is that if it does not crit, nothing happened.
 
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Meh... was hoping maybe windfury would help out a little bit. I did notice as prot warrior it is difficult to maintain procs, easier to solo PvE as fury (for me, anyway).
 
Warglave said:
maybe windfury would help out a little bit
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I'm not entirely sure windfury procs count as melee attacks anymore. I feel like there was a point in... was it wrath? cata? where they changed the way it worked.

Could be im remembering things poorly, but I coulda sworn I remember shaman being in an uproar about it.
 
Chops said:
I'm not entirely sure windfury procs count as melee attacks anymore. I feel like there was a point in... was it wrath? cata? where they changed the way it worked.

Could be im remembering things poorly, but I coulda sworn I remember shaman being in an uproar about it.
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wf totem was changed in wrath to just be a haste buff but regular wf is still just an extra attack buff i think.
 
I don't know if its the same for every class spec.

(With out any other my other gear changing) If I put on my 2 (EDITED FOR VIEWING PLEASURE) rings and neck of the Adaptable... I have 26% verse... if I take off that 75 points and use other rings... I have 9% verse. That's a big swing :p
 
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