DPS comparison between the most popular / common 2H TW weapons as an 11 Warrior (2nd attempt)

[CigNus]

I honestly appreciate the level of detail ya'll are putting into this. Data is king.

Also wasn't expecting to see a PoD outside of Wrath Classic so that gave me the warm fuzzies.

 

[VHSForever]

With your 15% gear i have you at 389, which is second highest. Toofast still rocking it way above us
This is of course without lifesteal properly contributing
Edit- i can't attribute this to anything except hitting that 1.2gcd, we all have very similar numbers purely from stat weights, but will continue to look at it
Also, couldn't tell from your post, were you at the same 4 target dummy cluster Boats used?
Toofast, if you would do the same test on the 4 target dummies in zandalar that would be great info

yeah this is at the same 4 target dummies as Boats - the setups i did i just picked waveslicer arbitrarily. I wonder if there are setups with skullforged/rivendares or grand crusader that sim higher - the gear on my characters armory is a different setup to the ones in images, too.

Did you sim the gear in the screenshots, or the one from my armory out of interest? my armory gear is different

I think i read somewhere that lifestealing scales with crit/vers? In which case having it included in sims might make a difference between 1.2 and 1.3s gcd setups.

edit: itll be interesting to see what toofast does on 4x dummies, if the sims are anything to go by he should smoke 640 dps. I can swap a couple of slots to hit 24% as well so ill give it a go.

 

[Zly]

The sim i ran was with your armory gear
I apologize Boats i am going to stop derailing your post, will talk about sims in mine

 

[BoatsAndHoes]

The sim i ran was with your armory gear
I apologize Boats i am going to stop derailing your post, will talk about sims in mine

This is all awesome derail it like a drunk railroad engineer idgaf lol

 

[Endangered]

Thanks for this post, so far ive collected 1 Hammer of the Grand Crusader and 1 Waveslicer so im going with that combo.

 

[BoatsAndHoes]

Added ILVL30 Hatebringer x 2, used +3 STR gems on each, STR topped out at 160. Held up pretty well against much higher ilevels but I guess 6 sockets will do what.
Also added Sul'thraze the Lasher, paired it with Runeblade of Baron Riverdare since you can only equip 1 of each. Also did very well.
I wanted to do Ingvars cleaver but I only have the ILVL 30 versions and without sockets I dont think its worth the time, checked item restoration and I havent vendored any TW ILVL60.


I fear all of this will be for nothing though with my current gems, @Kastafall was in guild chat earlier tonight posting meters almost 100 dps higher than even my best weapon combo going a little lighter on STR and more into crit and vers.

 

[Seclusioned]

With your 15% gear i have you at 389, which is second highest.
This is of course without lifesteal properly contributing
Also, couldn't tell from your post, were you at the same 4 target dummy cluster Boats used?
Toofast, if you would do the same test on the 4 target dummies in zandalar that would be great info

Ill do the test on both of my toons. They are built a bit different. Toofast is more min maxed gear, so Id like to see the comparison to speedyone

 

[Seclusioned]

This was with https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/illidan/speedyone
5 mins with battle shout only. 4 target dummies iin zandalar. I set a keyboard repeater macro to 50ms and held it for 5 mins. 562dps but it was hanging around 570-574 till I stopped dpsing and walked away after the 5 mins. I have a ilvl 19 ruby welp scale that I will have changed out to the vigilance charm tonight and will rerun the test and edit or post another with those results. Ill follow up with Toofast as well.

Edit, Doing some math here. 239 casts in a 5 min span divided by 300 seconds of 5 mins gets 1.255. That makes sense due to auto attacks as well. I also noticed thats over 5700 hits. And lifesteal had over 2000 hits. Ive always pulled big packs in dungeons and thats when i see my dps hitting over 1k. I try to find appropriate pull routes that give me LOS positions and aoe down and often see spikes over 1.3 1.4k and level 80s say im doing 40+mill

 

[VHSForever]

This was with https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/illidan/speedyone
5 mins with battle shout only. 4 target dummies iin zandalar. I set a keyboard repeater macro to 50ms and held it for 5 mins. 562dps but it was hanging around 570-574 till I stopped dpsing and walked away after the 5 mins. I have a ilvl 19 ruby welp scale that I will have changed out to the vigilance charm tonight and will rerun the test and edit or post another with those results. Ill follow up with Toofast as well.

Edit, Doing some math here. 239 casts in a 5 min span divided by 300 seconds of 5 mins gets 1.255. That makes sense due to auto attacks as well. I also noticed thats over 5700 hits. And lifesteal had over 2000 hits. Ive always pulled big packs in dungeons and thats when i see my dps hitting over 1k. I try to find appropriate pull routes that give me LOS positions and aoe down and often see spikes over 1.3 1.4k and level 80s say im doing 40+mill

I had 224 casts in 5mins, which is 1.33~ so thats also about right, 5400 hits. Averaged in my screenshot to 640 dps. Itll be interesting to see what you pull with vigilance charms on both your characters.

edit: looking at the damage breakdown for us both, it looks like because of the higher crit% my WW and lifesteal have both done more damage in less casts as you had on speedyone. I can see your average hit on ww is 14 vs the 17 i was getting. I worked my average lifesteal out to be 42 vs your 38. Theres about a 300 difference in # of WW cast, but i guess the difference in crit outweighs that? at least on this comparison. Maybe toofast will have different results?

I also think that a 15% haste but high crit setup can be better optimised. I just threw this setup together to test with. I also wonder if switching over to +2/+2 str/haste gems and maybe hitting 20.5% haste on a high crit build works? That gives 1.24s gcd which im not sure if it rounds down to 1.2 or not

I have my own LoS spots too itd be interesting to see where other people pull to

 

[Seclusioned]

I had 224 casts in 5mins, which is 1.33~ so thats also about right, 5400 hits. Averaged in my screenshot to 640 dps. Itll be interesting to see what you pull with vigilance charms on both your characters.

edit: looking at the damage breakdown for us both, it looks like because of the higher crit% my WW and lifesteal have both done more damage in less casts as you had on speedyone. I can see your average hit on ww is 14 vs the 17 i was getting. I worked my average lifesteal out to be 42 vs your 38. Theres about a 300 difference in # of WW cast, but i guess the difference in crit outweighs that? at least on this comparison. Maybe toofast will have different results?

I also think that a 15% haste but high crit setup can be better optimised. I just threw this setup together to test with. I also wonder if switching over to +2/+2 str/haste gems and maybe hitting 20.5% haste on a high crit build works? That gives 1.24s gcd which im not sure if it rounds down to 1.2 or not

I have my own LoS spots too itd be interesting to see where other people pull to

With just vigilance charm on speedyone I went up to 601dps Thats across 5 mins. When vigilance and grekas proc together at the start of the fight, Dps was holding around 770 on the 4 targets.
Running toofast for 5 mins results as follows when I walked away from the dummies I was at 608dps. But the first almost 2 minutes, vigilance did not proc. Then it almost stayed up the whole fight. It doesnt appear to have a cooldown. It hit again less than 5 seconds after it was finished. Before it proced the first time, I was around 592dps. Im switching speedyone to a full strength crit build and will test more. I feel like crit is going to win here. 130+ str and as much crit as you can stack

If youre US we can group and run some timewalking and share strategies on pulls. I like to maximize xp gains as well as clearing as fast as possible.

 

[VHSForever]

With just vigilance charm on speedyone I went up to 601dps Thats across 5 mins. When vigilance and grekas proc together at the start of the fight, Dps was holding around 770 on the 4 targets.
Running toofast for 5 mins results as follows when I walked away from the dummies I was at 608dps. But the first almost 2 minutes, vigilance did not proc. Then it almost stayed up the whole fight. It doesnt appear to have a cooldown. It hit again less than 5 seconds after it was finished. Before it proced the first time, I was around 592dps. Im switching speedyone to a full strength crit build and will test more. I feel like crit is going to win here. 130+ str and as much crit as you can stack

If youre US we can group and run some timewalking and share strategies on pulls. I like to maximize xp gains as well as clearing as fast as possible.

unfortunately im on EU otherwise id love to that would be so fun - itll be interesting to see what builds people come out with if everyone starts going 15% haste and then investing in other stats. Exciting stuff!

in the meantime im going to get ahold of truth bearer shoulders and ironblade gauntlets, i think those are better than my current setup

 

[Seclusioned]

unfortunately im on EU otherwise id love to that would be so fun - itll be interesting to see what builds people come out with if everyone starts going 15% haste and then investing in other stats. Exciting stuff!

in the meantime im going to get ahold of truth bearer shoulders and ironblade gauntlets, i think those are better than my current setup

Ive got to sit down and go through all the available gear to an 11 and try to find a crit/vers build. The problem with the ilvl 30 stuff with sockets, you lose out on vers. It seems hard to find good socketed vers pieces. I mean should we do all crit? or crit/vers? If we just stack str and crit then how much dps are we talking about adding?

 

[VHSForever]

Ive got to sit down and go through all the available gear to an 11 and try to find a crit/vers build. The problem with the ilvl 30 stuff with sockets, you lose out on vers. It seems hard to find good socketed vers pieces. I mean should we do all crit? or crit/vers? If we just stack str and crit then how much dps are we talking about adding?

I honestly haven't tested/am not sure yet. A lot of discussion and people have been going for 20/24% haste builds. Now maybe testing can happen between high crit vs high vers vs a balance of the two. I think it all ends up very very close. looking at Nowak's lower str but high criv/vers came out at 640 on dummies - the same as mine with higher str and slightly lower crit/vers. depends on weapon availability too - I dont have 2x ingvar's to test but have everything else.

 

[Seclusioned]

Well I think Ill volunteer for the more complex one. Ill build a full crit/vers build with as much str as I can get and go from there. Give me a couple of days and ill have it done and we can do some testing