DPS comparison between the most popular / common 2H TW weapons as an 11 Warrior (2nd attempt)

BoatsAndHoes said:
I originally did this test and posted my results late last week but as @Autofail pointed out there was a major error.
Whirlwind has an 8 yard radius. Lifesteal however is only a 5 yard radius. So while Whirlwind might be hitting all of the AOE target dummies, 1 pixel the wrong way and Lifesteal will not reach.
Which totally explains why some of the 2h weapons procced lifesteal significantly less than other 2h'ers.

I havent moved my toon since I started this 2nd round of testing. There were attempts where I realized battleshout had expired, or I was testing with some random totem buff nearby and had to scrap those results and do it over.

@Katmandu pointed out theres a group of 4 target dummies right on top of each other in Boralus @ 63.9 23.10 which are the dummies I used.

I ran the tests will all gear except the weapons taken off, and then did them again with all of my gear equipped.
I did not re-gem or re-enchant to min max stats because I do not have a million gold.
The AH has caught on to our ways. The lifestealing enchant was 700G on my server when I made this toon a couple weeks ago. Its 1800G now.
Each test run was for 5 minutes. Does anything we fight take 5 minutes? No. But I figured 5 minutes takes RNG out of the equation.
You'll notice my ILVL is pretty low. I pretty much only use TW gear if its a slot I cant find sockets for at a lower level.

Surprisingly when geared they all finished within roughly 10% of each other.
And when running M+25 or going for cutting edge achievements 10% is a big deal, but for us at lvl 11 in TW it means even with the worst of these weapons we are still going to melt face.
Also please dont fret if your DPS add on when you are running dungeons shows significantly lower than these results. This was 5 minutes standing still hitting something that doesnt die. When were running zones we pretty much tag stuff and run, Ill generally finish a dungeon around 200-220 DPS, not near 600 like these results.

Here is my armory https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/cenarius/eleven/

After the initial post with the results there will be 8 additional posts showing:
DPS fully geared
DPS weapon only
Breakdown of DPS fully geared
Breakdown of DPS weapon only
Stats fully geared
Stats weapon only

Weapons I tested - All ILVL 60 unless otherwise noted
https://www.wowhead.com/item=127520/colossal-skull-clad-cleaver?bonus=11070 x 2
https://www.wowhead.com/item=9425/pendulum-of-doom x 2 (ILVL54)
https://www.wowhead.com/item=105679/hellscreams-decapitator x 2 (ILVL20) +3 STR gems x 4
https://www.wowhead.com/item=13505/runeblade-of-baron-rivendare x 1 & https://www.wowhead.com/item=18717/hammer-of-the-grand-crusader x 1
https://www.wowhead.com/item=18717/hammer-of-the-grand-crusader x 2
https://www.wowhead.com/item=18324/waveslicer x 2
https://www.wowhead.com/item=7230/smites-mighty-hammer x 2
https://www.wowhead.com/item=65168/rockslicer x 2
https://www.wowhead.com/item=24461/hatebringer x 2 (ILVL30) +3 STR gems x 6
https://www.wowhead.com/item=13505/runeblade-of-baron-rivendare x 1 & https://www.wowhead.com/item=232904/sulthraze-the-lasher x 1

And the results........

When Geared
1. https://www.wowhead.com/item=18717/hammer-of-the-grand-crusader x 2 = 588 DPS
2. https://www.wowhead.com/item=18324/waveslicer x 2 = 576 DPS
2. https://www.wowhead.com/item=13505/runeblade-of-baron-rivendare x 1 & https://www.wowhead.com/item=232904/sulthraze-the-lasher x 1 = 576 DPS
4. https://www.wowhead.com/item=24461/hatebringer x 2 = 563
5. https://www.wowhead.com/item=127520/colossal-skull-clad-cleaver?bonus=11070 x 2 = 561 DPS
6. https://www.wowhead.com/item=65168/rockslicer x 2 = 556 DPS
7. https://www.wowhead.com/item=9425/pendulum-of-doom x 2 = 555 DPS
8. https://www.wowhead.com/item=13505/runeblade-of-baron-rivendare x 1 & https://www.wowhead.com/item=18717/hammer-of-the-grand-crusader x 1 = 553 DPS
9. https://www.wowhead.com/item=7230/smites-mighty-hammer x 2 = 544 DPS
10. https://www.wowhead.com/item=105679/hellscreams-decapitator x 2 = 526 DPS

With only weapon equipped
1. https://www.wowhead.com/item=18324/waveslicer x 2 = 291 DPS
2. https://www.wowhead.com/item=13505/runeblade-of-baron-rivendare x 1 & https://www.wowhead.com/item=18717/hammer-of-the-grand-crusader x 1 = 280 DPS
3. https://www.wowhead.com/item=18717/hammer-of-the-grand-crusader x 2 = 277 DPS
4. https://www.wowhead.com/item=127520/colossal-skull-clad-cleaver?bonus=11070 x 2 = 273 DPS
5. https://www.wowhead.com/item=9425/pendulum-of-doom x 2 = 271 DPS
6. https://www.wowhead.com/item=24461/hatebringer x 2 = 269 DPS
7. https://www.wowhead.com/item=13505/runeblade-of-baron-rivendare x 1 & https://www.wowhead.com/item=232904/sulthraze-the-lasher x 1 = 268 DPS
8. https://www.wowhead.com/item=7230/smites-mighty-hammer x 2 = 258 DPS
9. https://www.wowhead.com/item=65168/rockslicer x 2 = 256 DPS
10. https://www.wowhead.com/item=105679/hellscreams-decapitator x 2 = 251 DPS
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would it be viable to run waveslicer and grand master since i only have one grand master? or should i just do 2 waveslicers instead?
 
yolkedwizard said:
would it be viable to run waveslicer and grand master since i only have one grand master? or should i just do 2 waveslicers instead?
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Keep in mind all of these weapon combos are going to perform differently based off all of your other stats.
So what was best for me and my set up may not be best for yours.
Go to Boralus and use the 4 training dummies at 63.9 23.10
Equip whatever gear you use when running dungeons, and spend a few minutes just doing whirlwind, dont use bloodthirst, dont use execute, dont use any of your "on use" trinket abilities. You want this to be about the weapon as much as you can make it just about the weapons.
Once youve done it with 1 set of weapons then equip the other option and do the exact same thing.
I would use whatever comes out ahead for you and the rest of your gear.
 
BoatsAndHoes said:
Keep in mind all of these weapon combos are going to perform differently based off all of your other stats.
So what was best for me and my set up may not be best for yours.
Go to Boralus and use the 4 training dummies at 63.9 23.10
Equip whatever gear you use when running dungeons, and spend a few minutes just doing whirlwind, dont use bloodthirst, dont use execute, dont use any of your "on use" trinket abilities. You want this to be about the weapon as much as you can make it just about the weapons.
Once youve done it with 1 set of weapons then equip the other option and do the exact same thing.
I would use whatever comes out ahead for you and the rest of your gear.
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thank you so much!!!
 
BoatsAndHoes said:
Anyone else finding weapon drops to be extremely rare this week? Ive gotten 1 on like 80 runs.
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It'ss really hard to say because you need a lot of data to draw such conclusions, more than you'll get from just your own runs.

So typically a TW boss will drop 1-2 items across 5 party members. In personal loot, if you only have 2-4 people there, you get less total loot it seems.

So there's RNG on top of RNG on top of RNG.. Does your warrior get a drop? That drop could be one of 2-6 items typically. If you assume 5 and they're equally weighted and the personal loot chance is 25%, you're at 5% chance of a drop and you can easily go many, many attempts without getting something if it's 95% likely, as any mount collector will tell you.

You also need a lot of data points (hundreds if not thousands) to say with any confidence that the drop rate is other than 20% for that particular item.
 
Adding several more weapons this evening had to buy lifesteal x 12.................
Also Ive kept all my previous gear so even though Ive upgraded a few things I made sure to keep exactly what was used in the other tests to its apples to apples.
Also just like in the other tests the screenshots are of once the meters stopped.
I know screenshotting right at the 5 minute mark as I was stll DPSing would have given higher results, BUT, Id have had to retest every single weapon.

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BoatsAndHoes said:
I originally did this test and posted my results late last week but as @Autofail pointed out there was a major error.
Whirlwind has an 8 yard radius. Lifesteal however is only a 5 yard radius. So while Whirlwind might be hitting all of the AOE target dummies, 1 pixel the wrong way and Lifesteal will not reach.
Which totally explains why some of the 2h weapons procced lifesteal significantly less than other 2h'ers.

I havent moved my toon since I started this 2nd round of testing. There were attempts where I realized battleshout had expired, or I was testing with some random totem buff nearby and had to scrap those results and do it over.

@Katmandu pointed out theres a group of 4 target dummies right on top of each other in Boralus @ 63.9 23.10 which are the dummies I used.

I ran the tests will all gear except the weapons taken off, and then did them again with all of my gear equipped.
I did not re-gem or re-enchant to min max stats because I do not have a million gold.
The AH has caught on to our ways. The lifestealing enchant was 700G on my server when I made this toon a couple weeks ago. Its 1800G now.
Each test run was for 5 minutes. Does anything we fight take 5 minutes? No. But I figured 5 minutes takes RNG out of the equation.
You'll notice my ILVL is pretty low. I pretty much only use TW gear if its a slot I cant find sockets for at a lower level.

Surprisingly when geared they all finished within roughly 10% of each other.
And when running M+25 or going for cutting edge achievements 10% is a big deal, but for us at lvl 11 in TW it means even with the worst of these weapons we are still going to melt face.
Also please dont fret if your DPS add on when you are running dungeons shows significantly lower than these results. This was 5 minutes standing still hitting something that doesnt die. When were running zones we pretty much tag stuff and run, Ill generally finish a dungeon around 200-220 DPS, not near 600 like these results.

Here is my armory https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/cenarius/eleven/
I feel the need to add whats probably in my armory link is not what the weapons were tested in, IVe saved the gear so its the same every test, but what I'm logged out in is probably upgrades Ive gotten in the past couple months.

After the initial post with the results there will be 8 additional posts showing:
DPS fully geared
DPS weapon only
Breakdown of DPS fully geared
Breakdown of DPS weapon only
Stats fully geared
Stats weapon only

Weapons I tested - All ILVL 60 unless otherwise noted
https://www.wowhead.com/item=127520/colossal-skull-clad-cleaver?bonus=11070 x 2
https://www.wowhead.com/item=9425/pendulum-of-doom x 2 (ILVL54)
https://www.wowhead.com/item=105679/hellscreams-decapitator x 2 (ILVL20) +3 STR gems x 4
https://www.wowhead.com/item=18717/hammer-of-the-grand-crusader x 2
https://www.wowhead.com/item=18324/waveslicer x 2
https://www.wowhead.com/item=7230/smites-mighty-hammer x 2
https://www.wowhead.com/item=65168/rockslicer x 2
https://www.wowhead.com/item=24461/hatebringer x 2 (ILVL30) +3 STR gems x 6
https://www.wowhead.com/item=110046/hammer-of-the-soulbinder x 2
https://www.wowhead.com/item=110030/chakram-breaker-greatsword x 2
https://www.wowhead.com/item=110036/nhallishs-bloody-polearm x 2
https://www.wowhead.com/item=110051/overseers-final-word x 2
https://www.wowhead.com/item=5194/taskmaster-axe x 2
https://www.wowhead.com/item=232904/sulthraze-the-lasher x 1 & https://www.wowhead.com/item=13505/runeblade-of-baron-rivendare x 1
https://www.wowhead.com/item=18717/hammer-of-the-grand-crusader x 1 & https://www.wowhead.com/item=13505/runeblade-of-baron-rivendare x 1
https://www.wowhead.com/item=27769/endbringer x 1 & https://www.wowhead.com/item=13505/runeblade-of-baron-rivendare x 1
https://www.wowhead.com/item=27840/scepter-of-shatar x 1 & https://www.wowhead.com/item=13505/runeblade-of-baron-rivendare x 1
https://www.wowhead.com/item=157603/thundercleaver-axe x 1 & https://www.wowhead.com/item=13505/runeblade-of-baron-rivendare x 1
https://www.wowhead.com/item=144201/gravetouch-greatsword x 1 & https://www.wowhead.com/item=13505/runeblade-of-baron-rivendare x 1
https://www.wowhead.com/item=13348/demonshear x 1 & https://www.wowhead.com/item=13505/runeblade-of-baron-rivendare x 1

And the results........

When Geared
1. https://www.wowhead.com/item=27840/scepter-of-shatar x 1 & https://www.wowhead.com/item=13505/runeblade-of-baron-rivendare x 1 = 597 DPS
2. https://www.wowhead.com/item=144201/gravetouch-greatsword x 1 & https://www.wowhead.com/item=13505/runeblade-of-baron-rivendare x 1 = 590 DPS
3. https://www.wowhead.com/item=18717/hammer-of-the-grand-crusader x 2 = 588 DPS
4. https://www.wowhead.com/item=110051/overseers-final-word x 2 = 584 DPS
5. https://www.wowhead.com/item=110046/hammer-of-the-soulbinder x 2 - 578 DPS
6. https://www.wowhead.com/item=18324/waveslicer x 2 = 576 DPS
6. https://www.wowhead.com/item=232904/sulthraze-the-lasher x 1 & https://www.wowhead.com/item=13505/runeblade-of-baron-rivendare x 1= 576 DPS
8. https://www.wowhead.com/item=157603/thundercleaver-axe x 1 & https://www.wowhead.com/item=13505/runeblade-of-baron-rivendare x 1 = 575 DPS
9. https://www.wowhead.com/item=27769/endbringer x 1 & https://www.wowhead.com/item=13505/runeblade-of-baron-rivendare x 1 = 574 DPS
10. https://www.wowhead.com/item=13348/demonshear x 1 & https://www.wowhead.com/item=13505/runeblade-of-baron-rivendare x 1 = 571 DPS
11. https://www.wowhead.com/item=110030/chakram-breaker-greatsword x 2 = 567 DPS
12. https://www.wowhead.com/item=24461/hatebringer x 2 = 563 DPS
13. https://www.wowhead.com/item=127520/colossal-skull-clad-cleaver?bonus=11070 x 2 = 561 DPS
14. https://www.wowhead.com/item=65168/rockslicer x 2 = 556 DPS
15. https://www.wowhead.com/item=9425/pendulum-of-doom x 2 = 555 DPS
16. https://www.wowhead.com/item=110036/nhallishs-bloody-polearm x 2 = 554 DPS
17. https://www.wowhead.com/item=18717/hammer-of-the-grand-crusader x 1 & https://www.wowhead.com/item=13505/runeblade-of-baron-rivendare x 1 = 553 DPS
18. https://www.wowhead.com/item=5194/taskmaster-axe x 2 = 548 DPS
19. https://www.wowhead.com/item=7230/smites-mighty-hammer x 2 = 544 DPS
20. https://www.wowhead.com/item=105679/hellscreams-decapitator x 2 = 526 DPS

With only weapon equipped
1. https://www.wowhead.com/item=18324/waveslicer x 2 = 291 DPS
2. https://www.wowhead.com/item=27840/scepter-of-shatar x 1 & https://www.wowhead.com/item=13505/runeblade-of-baron-rivendare x 1 = 289 DPS
3. https://www.wowhead.com/item=144201/gravetouch-greatsword x 1 & https://www.wowhead.com/item=13505/runeblade-of-baron-rivendare x 1 = 285 DPS
4. https://www.wowhead.com/item=18717/hammer-of-the-grand-crusader x 1 & https://www.wowhead.com/item=13505/runeblade-of-baron-rivendare x 1 = 280 DPS
5. https://www.wowhead.com/item=110051/overseers-final-word x 2 = 279 DPS
5. https://www.wowhead.com/item=27769/endbringer x 1 & https://www.wowhead.com/item=13505/runeblade-of-baron-rivendare x 1 = 279 DPS
7. https://www.wowhead.com/item=18717/hammer-of-the-grand-crusader x 2 = 277 DPS
7. https://www.wowhead.com/item=157603/thundercleaver-axe x 1 & https://www.wowhead.com/item=13505/runeblade-of-baron-rivendare x 1 = 277 DPS
7. https://www.wowhead.com/item=13348/demonshear x 1 & https://www.wowhead.com/item=13505/runeblade-of-baron-rivendare x 1 = 277 DPS
10. https://www.wowhead.com/item=127520/colossal-skull-clad-cleaver?bonus=11070 x 2 = 273 DPS
11. https://www.wowhead.com/item=9425/pendulum-of-doom x 2 = 271 DPS
12. https://www.wowhead.com/item=24461/hatebringer x 2 = 269 DPS
13. https://www.wowhead.com/item=232904/sulthraze-the-lasher x 1 & https://www.wowhead.com/item=13505/runeblade-of-baron-rivendare x 1 = 268 DPS
14. https://www.wowhead.com/item=110030/chakram-breaker-greatsword x 2 = 267 DPS
14. https://www.wowhead.com/item=110036/nhallishs-bloody-polearm x 2 = 267 DPS
16. https://www.wowhead.com/item=5194/taskmaster-axe x 2 = 265 DPS
17. https://www.wowhead.com/item=110046/hammer-of-the-soulbinder x 2 = 264 DPS
18. https://www.wowhead.com/item=7230/smites-mighty-hammer x 2 = 258 DPS
19. https://www.wowhead.com/item=65168/rockslicer x 2 = 256 DPS
20. https://www.wowhead.com/item=105679/hellscreams-decapitator x 2 = 251 DPS
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hey so i tested out the trinket from court of stars... its topping my dmg meter for a whole boss fight. my rotation is (trinket) bloodthirst whirlwind whirlwind bloodthirst repeat
currently finishing boss fights at about 500dmg single target
 
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