Do you like the Classic lvl 19 bracket?

[Policecar]

I respect your don't give up mentality, I rly do, but 30+ mins wasted for 19 other ppl is just a snoozefest, especially when everyone knows the game is practically over, and it serves no purpose other than to demotivate everyone and makes sure nobody wants to queue more games for the day/evening.
Especially since rather than chasing most ppl will just def FC dragging games out even further, until eventually someone lands a kill or, as we debated, just afks since it was getting late and ppl have jobs.

In that case yes, you might have won by simply making the game so boring ppl rather log off. But is that rly a win?

I don't intend to win by making everyone afk out. I intend to win by eventually seeing my team actually do something productive which occasionally happens if you give them enough time. I gave you guys more than enough opportunities to kill as well as I'm fairly sure I crossed mid and started doing stupid shit cos I was bored myself.

Like I said no disrespect I actually like a lot of the people you queue with, but If you're queueing 5 people and struggling to kill the issue is you guys dragging the game out by not being competent enough to end it in my opinion. Just up your game dude or at least get your rogues to cut and I won't be able to make the game last half as long.

 

[kiri]

I don’t mind an FC doing his job by keeping the flag alive as long as possible. He shouldn’t concede it just because the opposing team is too stupid to take him out.

Now, what I don’t like is when both teams are defensive oriented. That’s what I view as a pointless, stalled game. I prefer teams to be aggressive.

exactly my point. half the team sits D under those circumstances further stalling the game. Instead of getting a new game with, maybe a better team comp for a more engaging and fun game.
Just my PoV ofc.

I don't intend to win by making everyone afk out. I intend to win by eventually seeing my team actually do something productive which occasionally happens if you give them enough time. I gave you guys more than enough opportunities to kill as well as I'm fairly sure I crossed mid and started doing stupid shit cos I was bored myself.

Like I said no disrespect I actually like a lot of the people you queue with, but If you're queueing 5 people and struggling to kill the issue is you guys dragging the game out by not being competent enough to end it in my opinion. Just up your game dude or at least get your rogues to cut and I won't be able to make the game last half as long.

fair enough, but (and I can ofc only speak for myself here), havnt played classic since nilla and wow since 7.0 in general.
I have forgotten like 75% of the jumps, and and can maybe consistently do like 10% of the ones i remember.
But im old and have limited time, so I cba relearning them, which, and your right ther, I will just go on D with ½ the team further dragging out a boring game.
I could ofc also just pop pots on CD, but thats equally boring to me.

And in the end, are we not playing a game in order to have fun?

Also I'm trying to single you out or anything, was tbh just a general statement of my opinion about the bracket. You do you etc.

 

[Policecar]

exactly my point. half the team sits D under those circumstances further stalling the game. Instead of getting a new game with, maybe a better team comp for a more engaging and fun game.
Just my PoV ofc.



fair enough, but (and I can ofc only speak for myself here), havnt played classic since nilla and wow since 7.0 in general.
I have forgotten like 75% of the jumps, and and can maybe consistently do like 10% of the ones i remember.
But im old and have limited time, so I cba relearning them, which, and your right ther, I will just go on D with ½ the team further dragging out a boring game.
I could ofc also just pop pots on CD, but thats equally boring to me.

And in the end, are we not playing a game in order to have fun?

I mean I'm having an ok time doing what I'm doing. I quite like playing against the odds if I feel we have a slight chance which I felt we did yesterday. It's not really my problem If you can't do jumps and imo it's a bad attitude to not even try and learn them when they aren't really that complicated for the most part.

As I said I just play to win. Sorry if that got in the way of your plans.

 

[Charax]

exactly my point. half the team sits D under those circumstances further stalling the game. Instead of getting a new game with, maybe a better team comp for a more engaging and fun game.

But your original point was to blame the EFC and it's not his fault for doing his job. It's his teammates that are really to blame for investing too many players defensively if they have a competent EFC.

I spend 95% of the time on O and I often see my teams have too many guys on D or goofing around in mid, which really just delays the game. It's just a general player issue - most players lack any strategic sense. Can't blame an EFC unless he's got guildies with him forcing an unnecessary turtle.

 

[Quackbesteu]

Picking the lvl 19 bracket to twink in is the easiest and most active bracket, but how many of you do actually enjoy it?

Vote and tell us about your pros and cons regarding the lvl 19 bracket in Classic WoW

No, I don't enjoy classic 19s.
Classic 19s is all about who you play with and to some degree who you play against.
I personally am not bothered who I play with being good or bad at the game. It's more so their attitude and personality and things like that. A lot of the time when I play pugs I queue with people who aren't necessarily good but they're nice people that are trying to learn, so you can't really hold it against them.
In terms of playing against, it's only fun beating names you recognize that you know have a huge ego regardless whether they're considered good or not.

Vanilla Community
-Back when I got involved 19s semi-serious, there was always hatred between guilds for the most part. Might've started out as 1 bad member of 1 guild, talking shit to another bad member of another guild and then it grew to a guild feud.
What did this mean? It meant people actually wanted to win for more than just rep and honorable kills and fkn marks of honor.
People wanted to beat them not just win (Understand the difference).
I remember hearing a story about 2 groups who both queued 5 mans in cata, and both of the 5 mans reported the other 5 man AFK so all 10 people had the afk debuff, bear in mind they're literally on the same faction same team etc but that's how strong the hatred was.
It added that extra bit of 'umph' to games. It really is what made the bracket competitive if you look at it. Regardless whether you agree or disagree there is so much evidence there to support my claim, I don't really need to debate this with anyone, it's fact.
Even with what was back in the day twinkinfo call outs, everything. it really added so much umph to the bracket. Sadly this basically faded away in legion came back at the start of bfa but disappeared again-

But this doesn't exist on Vanilla for some reason, on EU anyway. You call someone bad at the game and automatically you're just a rude person. There's no wanting to prove them wrong, there's no wanting to beat them in a 10v10 with ur guild, theres no wanting to farm them in a WSG game, it's just over for them saying mean words, it's pathetic and really removes the competitive element and environment in a lot of ways.

Vanilla Gameplay
Not to mention the Vanilla meta is super slow, its super RNG, 99% of players don't understand their role in the gulch or have all their spells bound on their action bars, everyone over hypes jumps when jumps for the most part are a pug thing and don't play as big a role for the most part in competitive 10v10s, people gear their characters wrong and overall no one really wants to learn in this bracket because God forbid you try to teach someone something they see it as a personal attack and don't really care about improving in the slightest.
Also; Pugs are semi un-queueable on your own since no1 announces when they're queuing big stacks so you either run into a 8-10 man on your own and stall to get your guildies in or you just end up queuing into a bunch of levellers and have 30 min queues which is zzz.

Cons
Awful community.
Awful slow tedious gameplay.
Awful players that are also ignorant and don't want to learn.
World of RNG.
Everyone spams consumables coz they're 'in the game' and u can just buy them coz thats what twinking is all about XDEE


Pros
Gear mattering is funnish.

might update this if i forget anything

 

[Charax]

You call someone bad at the game and automatically you're just a rude person. There's no wanting to prove them wrong, there's no wanting to beat them in a 10v10 with ur guild, theres no wanting to farm them in a WSG game, it's just over for them saying mean words, it's pathetic and really removes the competitive element and environment in a lot of ways.

I honestly love being toxic towards bad players. Smack talk builds rivalry. That said, there are so many sensitive people that this eventually happens: https://xpoff.com/threads/not-happy-with-the-l19-community.93144/

Things were so much more free wheeling back in the day. This really isn't a commentary on the 19 community though... I think the Age of Sensitivities extends quite broadly.

 

[Vítø-ærø-Líder]

ppl complaining about safe spotting and jumps " back in the dayz blablabla". meanwhile Líder crying everynight because blizz actually removed the Game breaking ones...
just kiddin <3
i think ppl dont take twinks19 that serious anymore... or just for lapses of 1 month.
i think it would be easy to have a great Compwtitive comunity between guilds now that we have Wargames.. but probably this doesnt get ppl excited

 

[Doodah]

I think the golden age of 19 twinking was burning crusade, esp with more hp from leg armors. Also right now cc lasts too long.

I totally agree w/ you. I've been playing WoW since 05' and after blizziod ruined the lvl 19 bracket in favor of the, "free loader" 20's group, I quit WoW and waited for Classic WoW. Now I'm happy again!

 

[Patrol]

I enjoyed the gameplay for a few thousand HKs, but it's definitely getting stale. I really can only do the same jumps so many times.

Community has a lot of toxic elements. Experienced players losing their patience and fucking their team on purpose; players who haven't mastered the game deciding for some ungodly reason that now they are competing with other people rather than with themselves; players who want to play solo in a team game & bristle at the suggestion that they improve; AFKers who can't bear to eat the cost of a few lost HKs & 1x Mark of Honor, so they make the rest of us pay by eating our team slot; damn near nobody can make a callout; people who only know how to manage their negative emotions by lashing out at other people & then think that's constructive criticism.

Bottom line, it's multiplayer & people are selfish little shits. Glad I experienced it, won't be staying.

 

[Recurve]

I'm enjoying 19s, though the jumping meta is new to me.

Back when I had a twink in TBC, performing jumps that made it purposely difficult/impossible for the other team to follow was frowned upon by my battle group. On the other hand, consumables like bombs, potions, bandages, and recombobulators were the meta. I don't know, maybe it was due to the fact that there were still a lot of keyboard turners during that era. As lame as it may sound, being able to dedicate enough binds to your abilities + consumables was actually a level of skill that made you stand out. You'd see some people stop and stand in place for a good second or two just to use a health pot (kind of defeating the purpose).

On the jumping thing...I've seen FCs jump from platform to platform to make it difficult to follow. Seems perfectly legit; that's how 3D platformers work. I've also seen people jump up walls using invisible footholds or slip through fences using invisible cracks in the programming. Those seem pretty sketchy.

But it doesn't make the bracket bad. If enough of my teammates are actually working toward returning the flag, then there aren't that may available routes to the FC. If we end up returning the flag, it's usually because we start working together to cut off the escape routes rather than just continuing to smash our faces into the walls like a bunch of cartoon villains.

I haven't experienced too much toxicity in the bracket. Obviously, I've seen toxic people in BG chat, but for everyone of them, there's been an Ally toon that rolls a horde on my server to chat me up after a close match. It's not like there was zero toxicity 15 years ago.

 

[handsomedgc]

it is the most boring and toxic shit ever.

 

[Your Mom]

it is the most boring and toxic shit ever.

Sure.. I dont argue that.. But tbh.. Huntards spamming wingclip and conq shot while chasing hks instead of playing to the tone of the game and helping their team is far far more toxic.. and jumps are how you counter that kind of trash.

 

[Natt]

How tho. All ally females except dwarf (I believe) and undead females can walk through the fence.

surely gnomes can't, at least I've never managed to on my gnome, but easily on human

 

[Shaket]

surely gnomes can't, at least I've never managed to on my gnome, but easily on human

If we're talking alli fence dorf fems can go through with ease, betting gnomes can just gotta be right place right timing, etc.

 

[CIHC]

If someone would fund me and help me. I'd make either a 100%+ dodge twink

or piss everyone off including hunters and be like Fochixi back in the day and be a 100% avoidance warrior.

Then agaaaaiiiin..

There is also

haste/crit hunter at ten.

 

[Natt]

If someone would fund me and help me. I'd make either a 100%+ dodge twink

or piss everyone off including hunters and be like Fochixi back in the day and be a 100% avoidance warrior.

Then agaaaaiiiin..

There is also

haste/crit hunter at ten.

this isn't TBC, dodge rating doesnt' exist

 

[CIHC]

this isn't TBC, dodge rating doesnt' exist

*stares at evasion.*

ARE YOU SURE ABOUT THAT.

 

[Natt]

*stares at evasion.*

ARE YOU SURE ABOUT THAT.

evasion is a straight 50% increase, don't see what that's got to do with dodge rating

 

[CIHC]

evasion is a straight 50% increase, don't see what that's got to do with dodge rating

https://classic.wowhead.com/spell=5277/evasion

Sorry~! Unless I'm forgetting Vanilla wrong. Then again, I did main a mage in legit OG Vanilla.\

oh fuck he was right.