Do you like the Classic lvl 19 bracket?

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Do you like the Classic lvl 19 bracket?

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  1. Anexa

    Anexa Member

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    Picking the lvl 19 bracket to twink in is the easiest and most active bracket, but how many of you do actually enjoy it?

    Vote and tell us about your pros and cons regarding the lvl 19 bracket in Classic WoW
     
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  2. Itsyeezy

    Itsyeezy New Member

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    I think the golden age of 19 twinking was burning crusade, esp with more hp from leg armors. Also right now cc lasts too long.
     
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  3. Tap

    Tap Grandfathered

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    No, it was better back in in tbc. Now you have people safespotting and sitting ToT all game like clowns thinking that's skill.

    Back then skill was 1 vs 1 duels at 19 or 29s and who was overall best at their class. Now a parquour simulator.
     
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  4. Bestworld

    Bestworld MBA

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    *someone hits spacebar*

    Tap: *galaxy brain mind blown* hOw dID YoU dO tHAt bRo?!+111
     
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  5. jwl

    jwl FC - Pagle

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    Tap.
    You AFK literally every game.
    I am at the point where I anticipate it, and am ready to screenshot every time you're about to die.
    Please, stop talking about skill.

    There are VERY FEW players that safespot in the bracket; Right now it's really just Puzzle that does it.
    There is nothing wrong with doing jumps. You're just a player that isnt capable of performing them so you cry about it.

    Anyways.
    I enjoy the 19s bracket because of how slow paced it is. With lack of mobility, proper awareness and positioning are extremely important and if you fall out of place, you're very easily punished for it.
     
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  6. Outofspace

    Outofspace Sogeking / Deeps

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    The meta advanced really far on Pservers and then infected Classic when it dropped. The ubiquitous nature of all the jumps are a bit of a culture shock for those of us who missed the Pserver era. In Vanilla there was jumping, no doubt, but it was usually like one lone random who would jump into actual safe spots and clip through walls and the like. You would learn the jumps in order to get to these jokers but stuff like the tot-roof-fence lap had honestly not been perfected.

    Sure many of us learned most of the jumps that we see today, but they just weren't utilized and leveraged to the extent they are now. The number of twinks who knew and used jumps was minuscule in comparison as well. There are also more resources for learning and sharing them and of course people have been practicing over the years.

    That being said, now that I'm used to it I don't completely hate the current meta, but 19s do really stretch it. It's most annoying when on defense knowing it will take several players who are capable of perfectly following/predicting the enemy FC's jumps to get a return. It's just not really possible for most pugs to participate in that kind of offense and I think that's a big difference from the old, less mobile meta. It used to be about actually assembling a fully functional battle party for Offense and Defense and duking it out at the roof choke points, which to me plays out the the game's core tank/dps/healer design to it's logical conclusion.

    As a twinker though I can't really complain since working around intended design is the basis for the whole thing. So yeah I like it!
     
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  7. Charax

    Charax Battleground Superstar

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    Back in Vanilla/TBC era, jumps were not really a thing. Our BG community (Whirlwind) would frown on it, generally calling it exploits (I was given a very hard time for going on "The Stump" one game, more to spite some premade rolling through against a pug).

    Do I like the parkour-style of Classic? Not really. I like more of the tactical fights. So, that would be my current weakness... I never learned the jumps that are common today, but I am begrudgingly learning them now. I can't say I like that style of play at all. Definitely not the WSG I grew up with.

    Beyond this, I really do enjoy the opportunity to play Vanilla WSG once again. I'm good with the bracket... no faction dominates, and the games are plentiful. The community is a good size so you do recognize the regulars, which is one of the big benefits over level 60 BGs.

    Player quality is mixed. Some good players, a few higher end players, but many sub-standard players as well. In terms of class balance, I actually play all classes and try all the different roles (that's fun for me) but other players seem to gravitate to the OP ones... but still not so bad as I remember things (in TBC, there were even more hunters than I see in Classic).
     
  8. Tap

    Tap Grandfathered

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    I dumpster you without using jumps as a crutch. You are a joke and a known safespotter, Crewsader is the best FC in the bracket.

    Aww that's sad, you are letting your inferiority complex effect your opinions. Other people agreed with me, playing a parquour simulator with safespotters like JWL and Puzzle is for autists that can't pvp.
     
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  9. jwl

    jwl FC - Pagle

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    @Tap where do I safespot? Seriously, look through my twitch and show me.
    I have a reputation to uphold and I would never do myself a disservice by even popping a speed potion.
    Trust me, a lot of people dislike my “ego”; if I did safespot, there would be so many screenshots or post about it. People would literally jump at the opportunity to make me look bad.

    you’re the only person that brags about losing games, you know that, right? You couldn’t even kill my warlock 1v1 and you’re a HUNTER!!! How is that even possible? You and I both know that you can’t touch me. And you keep saying sader is the best FC with 0 context lmao, you do know he does all the jumps I do, right? You’re vouching for the very thing you claim to despise every time you say that.

    lmk when your name pops up in a 19s best of list
     
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  10. Bestworld

    Bestworld MBA

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    "Other people agreed with me". Your mom and your therapist aren't exactly valid sources my dude.

    It's ok bro, the space bar is your ankle breaker. Own up to it.
     
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  11. augiddin

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    control mid hard enough and the jumps start to become less of an issue. my favorite part about classic is that hunter damage has not crept into absurdity yet.
     
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  12. BARNYARD

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    I have played a lot of 19s and 29s. I have 4 revered and 1 exalted. So clearly I have played a lot and find it fun. However, I wouldn't recommend it.

    It's nothing like I expected and I think you'll find it's less about outplaying people with abilities, and more about running away and jumping. Which honestly is kind of the charm to 19s. But I think it gets pretty bland once you've done it a few hundred times, but what doesn't?

    I guess my point is, if you're expecting to get into some sweet 10v10 bloodbaths where everybody has normalized gear, then don't bother and wait until TBC arenas. If you are definitely wanting to twink and want more of the bloodbath style game play, I recommend 29s and playing Arathi Basin. I just can't really recommend 19s. Even though I enjoy it, it is definitely not what most people expect.
     
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  13. Potatosoup

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    Agreed with other posters like TAP, the jump meta ruins the bracket along with premades, and alliance have like 5 guilds doing premades at a time some nights, it's absolute aids. With the long CC time and lack of gap closers fc's can just auto run and cap most of the time. TBC was a lot better for 19's, especially with the debuff that came along if they wanted to turtle for a friggan hour. At least then with enough dmg stacks a rogue could eventually one shot them even with 5 healers sitting there jerking themselves off.
     
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    Anexa

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    Pros

    • Easy to level up to 19. Therefore a large community base and lots of variety when it comes to players.

    • Has lots of rare quality items

    • Higher level's buffs are worth a lot.

    • Stats are worth a lot, the average geared player around your level has barely any stats compared to you. They have like 500 hp at it's best. (I auto attack for 100 damage). Most levelers are more geared in higher brackets.

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    Cons

    • Lack of abilities. As if Classic PvP isn't slow enough - lvl 19 bracket makes it even more slow-paced.

    To demonstrate, the lvl 29 bracket gives you blink, mana shield, cone of cold, aspect of cheetah, poisons, vanish, cheap shot, cat form, dash ... basically all kind of mobility and required CC's that makes PvP more available

    • Twinking has kind of evolved in knowing the map etc, so there are way too many jumpers around in the lvl 19 bracket. I've heard it's way fewer in the other brackets. Which makes it funnier. It's funnier the traditional way, where you got to communicate, turtle and strategize your defense and offense. Currently in this bracket it's more about giving the flag to someone who is good at jumping and then just peel for that person.

    • Extremely long duration on CC's and the lack of abilities just makes you unable to counter them, which you normally could.

    • Consumables are somewhat cheap in this bracket, so pretty much everyone has it, even levelers. It doesn't give the nostalgia I'm used to... but oh well, that's a minor concern.

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    I do not like this bracket. I used to farm in the 29 bracket in TBC --> WotLK. I will try out the 39 one in classic soon.
     
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  15. Powerlol

    Powerlol Coordinator Private Server Coord

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    @Anexa why do u say that 19s lack of abilities when you don't have enough bind to play 19s correctlY?

    that's you, right? I mean you click all yours consumables, you don't have a macro for the flag cancel (more binds).
    Stop bashing a bracket, if, even with such a few abilities, it seems hard enough for you.
     
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    Anexa

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    It's like some kind of supernerd appeared and got provoked by me saying that the lvl 19 bracket doesn't have any abilities. It's just fact. I can unbind everything but SS and SnD and my trinkets. It's all I need.

    The consumables are unbound because - as I said, I do not like them, would preferably pull them out of my actionbars but I'm only using them because I need content for a PvP vid before low lvl PvP dies out in classic, hence why I recorded that video for instance.


    I like how you went to discord and scrolled/searched for my vid way, way back btw. Just go back to your private server subsection, as p-servers are the only place where you can achieve anything. Thinking you're badass knowing how to clear the flag-buff with a macro

    Edit: Gonna do the same ↓ ↓ ↓
     
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  17. Powerlol

    Powerlol Coordinator Private Server Coord

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    can't wait for Anexa - [Insert lvl] rogue video full of backpedle, mouseclick :D
     
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    Anexa

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    Yeah and I don't even think you're sarcastic considering you're lurking among my unlisted videos that I've just posted once in a discord text-channel that is literally called "19s shitposting."

    You seem obsessed with me, buddy, and I've no idea who you are. Got a quick summation by checking out your profile that you play on NA and on p-servers. That's all I need to know, the discussion ends there. You summed it up the best.
    Now, be a nice staff coordinator and post something productive for this forum. You shitpost more than me and I've soon more posts in 1 month than you have in 6 years. No idea how you got that staff position
     
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  19. Suncatcher

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    With all the jumps I am finding it difficult to like 19s. I do see how it can be fun (after all my kids like parkour in Minecraft ;)). I just can't bring myself to practice the jumps during games. I am looking into other ways to practice the jumps (like via wargames).

    Swiftness pots and other consumables are now looked upon with the same hatred/disgust that jump spots used to be. :confused:

    I do like TBC a bit better since both teams have paladins and shamans. And most of my 19 bracket experience was during TBC, so there's that.
     
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  20. Ventrix/Vantage

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    Coming back to wow after not playing for like 10 years it was a huge learning curve seeing everyone doing jumps. But after learning them and playing a lot of 19s now, I'd probably lose interest and stop playing classic if they removed them. It's just more fun, it's added a new dimension to a pretty one dimentional bracket.
     
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