Brb. Leveling my dusty 19 BM to 29. 19s are dead anyway.
Come test 29 twinks stuff right now!
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Brb. Leveling my dusty 19 BM to 29. 19s are dead anyway.
is bonus armor not adding to AP?
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For prots, sure. But you're sacrificing a lot of other stats to get items that have high armor. You might as well just play a DPS spec with DPS gear and do better.
Yes except tanks can get literally 3 times more attack power (and spell power for prot pals) than any dps class / spec. They are the best dps by miles atm
this statement here illustrates why blizzard is still fucking retarded and still has their heads up their asses vis-a-vis how a tank spec is tooled, imo. if the tank is in the top ten dps in wsg, the fucking game is still broken. very disappointing
28 guardian druid.
Catform stats:
4598 HP
452 AP (using a elixir of minor defense)
31.9 % crit
282 - 294 tooltip dmg
240 bonus armor (with elixir)
330 armor (43.59 % mitigation
155% speed (I'm wearing the AB boots)
Tooltip dmg:
1452 five point ferious bite
513 - 581 shred (20% more verse bleeding targets, 35% more from stealth)
143 + 515 over 15 secs Thrash
Combo points carry over to your next target. So getting 5 points on someone is easy as pie. I got 5 points and then waited for a full energy bar and FB crit for 4.4 k dmg. Pretty sure FB is still the hardest hitting ability in the bracket (from guardian, not feral lol)
Seeing 890 shred crits verse bleeding targets.
Dancing steel was giving me 26 agil procs so I changed over to major agility (static 26)
EDIT; Dammit I had 14 stam on chest and not + 24 armor. New FB crit 4804 (476 AP, 5 points, 100% energy and bleeding target for the double crit chance)
Catform stats:
4598 HP
452 AP (using a elixir of minor defense)
31.9 % crit
282 - 294 tooltip dmg
240 bonus armor (with elixir)
330 armor (43.59 % mitigation
155% speed (I'm wearing the AB boots)
Tooltip dmg:
1452 five point ferious bite
513 - 581 shred (20% more verse bleeding targets, 35% more from stealth)
143 + 515 over 15 secs Thrash
Combo points carry over to your next target. So getting 5 points on someone is easy as pie. I got 5 points and then waited for a full energy bar and FB crit for 4.4 k dmg. Pretty sure FB is still the hardest hitting ability in the bracket (from guardian, not feral lol)
Seeing 890 shred crits verse bleeding targets.
Dancing steel was giving me 26 agil procs so I changed over to major agility (static 26)
EDIT; Dammit I had 14 stam on chest and not + 24 armor. New FB crit 4804 (476 AP, 5 points, 100% energy and bleeding target for the double crit chance)
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28 guardian druid (bearform)
5500 hp
352-368 tooltip dmg
492 armor (53.54%)
125% speed (sorry forgot to mention above I'm using feline swiftness talent for both forms)
157 faerie fire
1030 - 1095 mangle (dam that's nasty)
412 - 438 maul & 171-183 to a additional target if glyphed (20% more verse bleeding targets)
532 + 1472 over 16 secs Thrash (spamming thrash for 1 k aoe crittings is a bit silly)
345 over 12 secs rejuv......might as well not exist it's so tiny
316 - 375 healing touch 2.34 sec cast after haste. Very small heal compared to brewmaster / prot paladin
5500 hp
352-368 tooltip dmg
492 armor (53.54%)
125% speed (sorry forgot to mention above I'm using feline swiftness talent for both forms)
157 faerie fire
1030 - 1095 mangle (dam that's nasty)
412 - 438 maul & 171-183 to a additional target if glyphed (20% more verse bleeding targets)
532 + 1472 over 16 secs Thrash (spamming thrash for 1 k aoe crittings is a bit silly)
345 over 12 secs rejuv......might as well not exist it's so tiny
316 - 375 healing touch 2.34 sec cast after haste. Very small heal compared to brewmaster / prot paladin
29 enhancement test:
In my current gear on live: 3110hp, 450ap, 19% crit. Stormstrike hit for 400 and crit for 800ish. Flamestrike hits for 200 crits for 350+. Flametongue 60 per proc. Earth shock crits for 350. White hits 80 crits for 120ish.
Beta same gear: 5400hp, 214ap, 28% crit. No big change on SS and FS damage. Flametongue removes (_duh!), Earth shock removed (xD). But: white hits for 160 crits for 300
We keep windsheer / purge / ghost wolf
Heal: 990 non crit, 1880 crit
Btw: warsong trinket which gave +4stam +4hit now gives +4 stam and +10 crit!
5 crit =1% crit
Agi has no effect on crits
There is a neck enchant giving +45 crit at 29.
For weap I will go double mongoose (90 agi 22 haste). Dancing steel is bad now (double +24ish agi proc
In my current gear on live: 3110hp, 450ap, 19% crit. Stormstrike hit for 400 and crit for 800ish. Flamestrike hits for 200 crits for 350+. Flametongue 60 per proc. Earth shock crits for 350. White hits 80 crits for 120ish.
Beta same gear: 5400hp, 214ap, 28% crit. No big change on SS and FS damage. Flametongue removes (_duh!), Earth shock removed (xD). But: white hits for 160 crits for 300
We keep windsheer / purge / ghost wolf
Heal: 990 non crit, 1880 crit
Btw: warsong trinket which gave +4stam +4hit now gives +4 stam and +10 crit!
5 crit =1% crit
Agi has no effect on crits
There is a neck enchant giving +45 crit at 29.
For weap I will go double mongoose (90 agi 22 haste). Dancing steel is bad now (double +24ish agi proc
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28 spriest. He's BIS although I removed pvp power from cloak since I have no idea if it does anything.
For some reason +90 armor to cloak is working even though I'm not a tank spec and the bonus armor from my 2 x AB pieces (belt / boots) are also working. It might be a bug?
Outside of shadow form it says I have 161 bonus armor (221 total) and then in shadform it says 322 bonus armor (442 total). Quite strange that bonus armor works at all. Anyways 442 armor is 50.86% mitigation which is insane for a spriest imo.
Stats;
4444 HP (with power word fort)
3300 mana
303 shadow spell power (soulfrost is giving the full 40 shad dmg)
243 normal spell power
20.79% crit
10.9 % haste
5 % multistrike (mind quickening increases haste and multistrike by 5% for whole raid)
264 mana regen every 5 secs in combat (seems very high?)
1121 mana every 5 sec out of combat
Tooltip stats;
1138 Devouring plague
425 mind sear (aoe dmg from 40 yards)
683 mind blast
1267 shadow word pain
345 mind flay
1338 vampiric touch
809 flash heal (I can't believe how powerful that is considering you basically can't OOM)
1217 power word shield
Glyph of reactive shield seems nice.
Briefly testing dmg...mind flay dmg is total garbage. Got a mindblast crit for 1366, not bad I guess. Devouring plague heals for huge amounts. Did a 1 k non crit plague and got healed for 1 k plus the dot heals.
Glyph of mind harvest (gives additional 2 orbs when u MB, so 3 orbs straight up) is nice but it increases the cooldown of MB by 6 seconds. So MB has a 13.5 second cooldown.
The damage is decent but not as good has prots. The killer is the weak damage of mindflay
For some reason +90 armor to cloak is working even though I'm not a tank spec and the bonus armor from my 2 x AB pieces (belt / boots) are also working. It might be a bug?
Outside of shadow form it says I have 161 bonus armor (221 total) and then in shadform it says 322 bonus armor (442 total). Quite strange that bonus armor works at all. Anyways 442 armor is 50.86% mitigation which is insane for a spriest imo.
Stats;
4444 HP (with power word fort)
3300 mana
303 shadow spell power (soulfrost is giving the full 40 shad dmg)
243 normal spell power
20.79% crit
10.9 % haste
5 % multistrike (mind quickening increases haste and multistrike by 5% for whole raid)
264 mana regen every 5 secs in combat (seems very high?)
1121 mana every 5 sec out of combat
Tooltip stats;
1138 Devouring plague
425 mind sear (aoe dmg from 40 yards)
683 mind blast
1267 shadow word pain
345 mind flay
1338 vampiric touch
809 flash heal (I can't believe how powerful that is considering you basically can't OOM)
1217 power word shield
Glyph of reactive shield seems nice.
Briefly testing dmg...mind flay dmg is total garbage. Got a mindblast crit for 1366, not bad I guess. Devouring plague heals for huge amounts. Did a 1 k non crit plague and got healed for 1 k plus the dot heals.
Glyph of mind harvest (gives additional 2 orbs when u MB, so 3 orbs straight up) is nice but it increases the cooldown of MB by 6 seconds. So MB has a 13.5 second cooldown.
The damage is decent but not as good has prots. The killer is the weak damage of mindflay
You sure on that mongoose? When it proc'd on my 28 monk it said 47 agil 12 haste. I'll go double check now
EDIT; yep it's only giving me 47 agil 12 haste on beta. Making +15 agil better considering mongoose has a terrible proc rate.
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Just bought versatility ring enchants x 2 (+18 each) and the neck (+24).
So on my 28 monk 60 versatility rating gives 9.43% versat.
That's 9.43% extra damage and 4.71% reduced damage.
I can't give up 90 armor on a brewmaster (90 attack power is too good) but if I did there's a +60 versat cloak enchant. Putting that on for giggles I have 18.86 % versat (18.86 % dmg and 9.43% reduced damage)
That 18.86% extra damage could very well make dps specs on par with prots (maybe)
So on my 28 monk 60 versatility rating gives 9.43% versat.
That's 9.43% extra damage and 4.71% reduced damage.
I can't give up 90 armor on a brewmaster (90 attack power is too good) but if I did there's a +60 versat cloak enchant. Putting that on for giggles I have 18.86 % versat (18.86 % dmg and 9.43% reduced damage)
That 18.86% extra damage could very well make dps specs on par with prots (maybe)
Unless they do something about healing (they are suggesting battle fatigue again on the beta forums) some healers might be unkillable.
I made my 28 priest disc.
289 spell power
60 versatility (9.43%)
Flash heal is doing 1448 with divine aegis doing 1742 on flash heal crit. And it's basically impossible to run out of mana.
Of course that won't stop a guardian druid in catform stacking bonus armor and versatility almost 1 shotting you with 5 point FB. Against anything else, I don't see how you can die 1v1 as a disc priest. Especially since my guy for example has 221 armor (34.1% mitigation) + a further 4.71% mitigation from versatility.
I made my 28 priest disc.
289 spell power
60 versatility (9.43%)
Flash heal is doing 1448 with divine aegis doing 1742 on flash heal crit. And it's basically impossible to run out of mana.
Of course that won't stop a guardian druid in catform stacking bonus armor and versatility almost 1 shotting you with 5 point FB. Against anything else, I don't see how you can die 1v1 as a disc priest. Especially since my guy for example has 221 armor (34.1% mitigation) + a further 4.71% mitigation from versatility.
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Well on the actual beta I played like 10min on my 24 FC Resto druid, I have 8.2k hp in bear form, and if I go with haste enchants I can hit almost the GCD on my regrowths... and while I am in combat it still takes a huge ammount of time to go oom, it's so stupid. But I might be wrong as I only played it for 10min, but it really seems OP as fuck.
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raziel83 said:
I'm really not sure why you insist on staying at level 28. There's an entire dungeon's worth of gear you can get @ 29, with better scaling on BoAs and proc enchants.
Also: none of the numbers you've presented are impressive. My 29 ele shaman has 5700 hp and 297 spell power, without stacking stamina. I crit for 2300s on fulminations. My 29 Spriest has 5800 hp, 323 shadow power, crits for 1400 on Mind Blast and 2100 on Devouring Plague. Dots crit for 200-400. I could quite literally kill any of your 28s in about 2.5 seconds.
Lastly, you won't be able to use the level 100 enchants on low level characters when the expansion goes live.
Level to 29, make some real twinks.
it's impossible now but some 29s (only know one on eu) obtained high enough engineering while it was still possible and can have it equiped
I'm not really sure why you on insist on lvl 29. You do realise that all the dungeon gear and AB honor gear is lvl 28 right? Link one piece of BIS spriest shadow gear that requires lvl 29. There's nothing. You're living in the past when lvl 29 actually mattered.
Kill anyone on my 28 twinks in 2.5 seconds? Really? So you are going mindblast then glyphed devo plague for a best case scenario of 3.5 k if they both crit....your crit won't be that high since your spell power and health is. How is that going to kill a 5 k + brewmaster monk with a 1700-1800 guard absorb shield, followed by a instant 1100 expel harm heal (not even talking crits), reduced magic dmg by 10% from sturdy ox, a possible 20% less dmg and 20% more health from fortifying brew, a possible 3 second disorientate from breath of fire and 1.4 second 600 heal that can be spammed.
HURR DURR I'LL KEEL U IN 2.5 SECONDS!?!?!?!
My kegsmash hits harder than any of your spriest abilities. 2.5k
And almost 5 k ferious bites from a guardian druid isnt impressive? Because you can do 5 k crits?
What evidence do you have that the new enchants can't be used? None? Ok. They aren't enchanting only anymore, remember all profession bonuses have been removed. They are for everyone. There is no binding or level requirement written anywhere.
thanks! 75 AP on beta. Seems to be the best for 1 h agility users.