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jwl
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#1 druid FC game r u sure?
Muffin-Snack-Pack
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jwl
FC - Pagle
Who's your FC? Just curious, he may be asking me for advice lol
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jwl
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Can you answer my question please? I am curious as to who is FCing for you; As I have a few 39 Druids hitting me up for advice.
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Livingforce
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You inflate you're guild like its the grand poobar, when your sick of East your more the welcome to come west for real competition.
Sooner or later we will cross paths...
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Muffin-Snack-Pack
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East coast is doing just fine, thanks for the offer. But seriously, we started PVPing nightly and with in two weeks a whole guild left the bracket.
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Livingforce
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I understand, but if theres no compeition for you on east, why stay there?
I get that you have activity, i really do. Just to me good players seek out good teams to play with and fight against and i think west provides that more over east coast.
Just my 2 cents but as long as your enjoying it over there, thats fine.
I get that you have activity, i really do. Just to me good players seek out good teams to play with and fight against and i think west provides that more over east coast.
Just my 2 cents but as long as your enjoying it over there, thats fine.
Muffin-Snack-Pack
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What? No competition on east coast? Who told you those lies?
You've got it all wrong. Egotistical players seek out massive guilds and fight over who get's to be on the premade team. Then, those premades last a few months before the other egotistical team gives up from losing so badly. What do you have then? You are stuck with a bunch of douche bags and there is an imbalance in the bracket. There goes all your fun games.
My stance on this has been consistent since day one. You want to roll with a 10 man? You better have organized competition you are trying to queue against. Instead, you have what has happened with the West coast. Huge premades queued against pugs. Destroying the brackets. Ideally, queue with less than 5 players for WSG and less than 10 for AB. I've seen how the West coast Alliance play and I wan't no part of it. Farming mid. Jumping fences. Exploiting gear.
If the bracket is in balance, pugs and small premades are enjoyable and competitive. Like tonight, the majority of the games were 70-80% twinks on both sides. The largest group our 4 man went against was 6, I believe. We are looking for good games and we are getting good games on the East coast.
The only imbalance we have is that our druid FC is the best on the planet. Without exploits. Without fence jumps.
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You should give it a closer look, the best druid FC on the planet is a very proficient jumper. So are n°2 through 1000 I guess. Everytime I read your post I have this idea of NA battlegroups being the special olympics of wow.
jwl
FC - Pagle
for some reason he thinks every jump is an exploit. If he wants to limit himself and his guild to being C-tier, then by all means.
Sanit
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No, it's just US East that should be compared to the special olympics.
He's super salty all the competition & premades went West :'( poor bb
Muffin-Snack-Pack
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jwl
FC - Pagle
I am pretty good at jumping. I've actually been argued as the best in the region. But I appreciate the attempt to knock me.
And it's not a conclusion; It's literally a factual statement based on the information provided in your guild recruitment thread. You guys are limiting yourself. Which is pretty ridiculous, given that jumping has literally always been part of twink culture. So just learn the jumps?
Anyways, no. Jumping on top of a mailbox in stormwind and landing on a crate that is in plain sight is by no means an exploit. It's literally a Point A to Point B jump. The majority of WSG jumps work the same way. There is no 3rd party software required, there is no taking advantage of latency or fear pathing involved. It's literally jumping/moving your character simultaneously. From what I've noticed, everybody that thinks otherwise feel that way because they cant perform the jumps.
Sanit
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They're a casual guild. Makes sense. This was all they had to say instead of making up wild excuses as to why they wont go west. Jumps have nothing to do with it, apparently.
Muffin-Snack-Pack
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This conversation has been had a thousand times over the last decade. There are clearly some jumps that some races / classes cannot do. It could be argued that they are exploits, or borderline exploits, or not exploits at all. We don't tolerate this grey area. Not in guild and not in WSG. If someone does that in the BG, we say something about it. If someone does that in guild, they are kicked.
By jwl's own admission, he said that the majority of them are not exploits. I think that is true. However, that means that he thinks some of them are exploits. If he is actively exploiting because he can't be the best FC druid without them, he is not welcome in our guild.
Our goal is simple. To have as many good games as possible. Rolling 10 deep on a daily basis and smashing pugs doesn't help the bracket. Exploiting doesn't help the bracket. There is a reason why you don't see East coast begging for people to join because our bracket is dead.
If West coast has all the competition and premades, where are all these organized 10v10's and 15v15's? From what I see, only EU is doing that. I am not sure if they are even doing that consistently. East coast is having consistent competitive games and a daily basis.
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jwl
FC - Pagle
Are you referring to fence jumps? I assume so since you singled them out.
I play the largest framework model in the game (male tauren) and have video of me doing every single fence jump there is on my twitch. They all can be done. It's just that some races can do it easier than others. Every race has it's "easy jumps" & "hard jumps". This is called tradeoff.
Of course they can be argued as exploits. Those whom cant do them or dont understand them have argued them to be exploits for years. It's only a "grey area" because blizzard is smart and doesn't want to single out specific jumps, as that is *in other words* a promotion, of sorts. The jumps they deem as true exploits have been fenced off by invisible walls. And while they did miss a few (IE Alliance Portal), it wouldn't be inaccurate to assume 95% of jumps out there are legal & fair game.
Yes. You literally spelled out what I just said. "The majority of them are not exploits. This means that a minority of them are.".
And because I can vouch for particular jumps being exploits, that gives you the impression that I perform said jumps? Because you'd be mistaken to think so. Thanks for not only putting me in the conversation as "the best fc druid" but literally giving me that title. I appreciate it. And once again, your guild likely advertises in trade chat. I am not interested. Never was.
Jumps literally offer so much outplay and add to the competitive level of good games. This seriously cant even be argued. Jumps & gap-closers are the real plays that are being made. So why would you even restrict your own gameplay? In all due respect, you & your guild sound like complete average Joe's. I'm not an advocate for 10-mans or for exploits. I agree, neither are good for the bracket unless you're syncing two premades together.