Best 2h proved: BAR > GS

I fecking hate binary, but here it is. Just FYI i didnt include proc crits because that would have exponentially pushed up the work to be done and i just cba tbh ^^ though it only really puts it more in GS's favour though anyway here is the list of what the chance of GS proccing for each time. I also assumed that white non crits were constant and didnt vary.





Just so you can interpret it i'll explain it abit, the amount of damage landed is the far right number and the chance of said number landing is the second to right column. ignore the left 2 columns.



0 ddqq 0.513618756 237.0289629

1 ddqp 0.070038921 312.0289629

10 ddpq 0.070038921 312.0289629

11 ddpp 0.009550762 387.0289629

100 dcqq 0.117052604 392.0861057

101 dcqp 0.015961719 304.3909629

110 dcpq 0.015961719 467.0861057

111 dcpp 0.002176598 454.3909629

1000 cdqq 0.117052604 304.3909629

1001 cdqp 0.015961719 379.3909629

1010 cdpq 0.015961719 379.3909629

1011 cdpp 0.002176598 454.3909629

1100 ccqq 0.026676036 459.4481057

1110 ccpq 0.003637641 534.4481057

1111 ccpp 0.000496042 609.4481057



ignore the 1's, 0's and cpdq bits, unless you want me to explain it to you. all you should be interested in is the fact that GS has a 50% chance of hitting harder than base burst and a 21.4% chance of hitting harder than 375 damage.



BAR was much easier to work out since i didnt have to factor in procs.



00 dd 0.6308 249.4309686

01 dc 0.1634 416.9023971

10 cd 0.1634 319.8449686

11 cc 0.0423 487.3163971



here we see that BAR has a 37% chance of hitting harder than base burst and a 20.6% chance of hitting harder than 375 damage.



There are slight differences in the values, and BAR hits slightly harder on average but GS hits hardest more often



Thus i feel confident in saying



!!!!!!!!GS > BAR !!!!!!!! (for burst)(especially for humans)



EDIT: BAR does have about 1% higher chance of hitting above 450dmg, but i think that since this happens so rarely this is more than compensated for by the much higher topend burst of GS.



Edit2: its worth noting that (afaik) GS's proc isnt mitigated by armour, thus putting it even more in GS's favour.
 
Evocate said:
I havnt played in a long time and thus might be mistaken, but when I did play I remember a warrior telling me one of the biggest reasons for using GS was the fact that you could put oils (frost for example) on it. Is that no longer true?
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i believe it to be true, however i've never done it. Also it is an external buff, so its alittle too much hard work for a PUG, arena wont let it in (i think) and most premades will not allow it.
 
Kore nametooshort said:
!!!!!!!!GS > BAR !!!!!!!! (especially for humans)
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As that is said, I would still wear BAR instead of GS, cause of the 10 stamina..
 
lindenkron said:
Exactly, there's so many factors, many RNG based, that could change things around. You simply can't calculate your way out of this. Yet I bet these nerds will keep trying! ;D
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in before Jaxel starts lolling.
 
Kore nametooshort said:
Yeah, the stam is nice, and BAR does have slightly higher dps (i think, lemme check that though), but you wont wtfpwn quite so often ;)
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*cough*one hit from 50% hp with BaR*cough*



;)
 
Kore nametooshort said:
Hey i didnt say you wouldnt wtfpwn at all, and that was with a warrior so STFU!!!! :D
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There is a story here isn't there, lol.



But anyways, it still is dependant on individual playing styles and preferences.... which includes whether or not you have any problems with using temp weapon enchants.



Personally, I'm a sort of player who loves playing burst combos so I'd go with GS.
 
Conrose said:
There is a story here isn't there, lol.
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Nah nothing too special. Just Kore thought he'd be beast vs a warrior, and I had cruxx + Heroic strike + got an overpower within a GCD and pretty much took him from 50% -> dead before he got regrowth off, killing him before he could LB / Agm. with BaR (Which is the point). :D Still love you though Kore <3
 
lindenkron said:
Nah nothing too special. Just Kore thought he'd be beast vs a warrior, and I had cruxx + Heroic strike + got an overpower within a GCD and pretty much took him from 50% -> dead before he got regrowth off, killing him before he could LB / Agm. with BaR (Which is the point). :D Still love you though Kore <3
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Sacrificial rituals involving virgins should be forbidden, RNG gods favor is an unfair advantage over those who don't know how to do it correctly.
 
Kore nametooshort said:
i believe it to be true, however i've never done it. Also it is an external buff, so its alittle too much hard work for a PUG, arena wont let it in (i think) and most premades will not allow it.
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It works, same thing works for rogues with gutterblade. Hello reliabe slow :)
 
Kore nametooshort said:
Yeah, the stam is nice, and BAR does have slightly higher dps (i think, lemme check that though), but you wont wtfpwn quite so often ;)
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I checked this and i was wrong. GS has higher sustainable damage by about 3.5%



in short GS has:

+ 3.5% damage

+ better burst

- 10stam
 
There is a moment in practical situations where spending your time trying exceeds calculating how you should spend your time in usefulness.
 
So, to sum up the thread, choose your favorite for your playing style. One can not be deemed all around better than the other.

:)
 
Indeed Eliot. I've used both and have personally, for the way I play my warrior, deemed GS useless. I always have, and always will prefer BaR :).
 
I'm a "It's Red, It's Dead" type of player and as a result I go Burst Potential > Survivability as far as gearing is concerned (And often even go Wolf over Bat/Ravager to mix things up as well). So I'd go GS with a Warrior, though I'd have to think about it more in regards to the Retadin.
 
After hearing people talk about GS (a while ago) over and over again, I actually did the annoying chain, got fiery on it, and duelled people. People I normally beat NP with BaR + Crusader, killed me with GS on. On repeat. It's not ever coming out again. BaR <3 :D
 
Im sure this has been mentioned before lindenkron but the GS with firey should be more useful against high armor targets, so it does make a difference what class you were dueling.
 
stickymitten said:
Im sure this has been mentioned before lindenkron but the GS with firey should be more useful against high armor targets, so it does make a difference what class you were dueling.
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Appearntly Warrior with GS VS Warrior with BAR doesnt mean anything to you or that post above you or nothin
 
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