Best 2h proved: BAR > GS
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Crilicilyn
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pallies also have higher proc rate for glacials ice thing. tbh i just use GS on my pally cuz farming emblems takes too long and the proc rate is nice as is. The speed alone will have BaR doing more burst though. You also need to add-in ALL OF THE STATS to increased judegement damages and what-not to the BaR before you compare it to GS on a pally. That is nearly always looked over.
lindenkron
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I've always said: BaR > GS!
Still say it. Till the day I die! Or they change one of the weps
Still say it. Till the day I die! Or they change one of the weps
Conrose
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Let's go with a "White-to-White" Burst scenario to argue which is the better "Burst Weapon"
Glacial Stone procs for 75 damage, is 3.6 Speed and has the same base damage range as the BAR, which is a 3.8 Speed weapon with some strength.
In order for the BAR to exceed the GS's burst potential in a "White-to-White" Burst combo that includes a GS Proc, the BAR would need to deal more than 75 damage more than the weapon hits from the GS. Measuring with white hits alone, this would require a 37.5 weapon damage range advantage over the GS via the 0.2 speed difference. In order to do this, you'd need to have 187.5 DPS from AP... or 2625 Attack Power. I'd go for the GS for the purpose of burst potential, however, the stats on the BAR help make crit combos a little more consistent.
Now I'm not gonna calculate the bonus damage gained from STR on the BAR would make on the two white hits + any additional attacks you slip between the two, or the additional effect the .2 speed would have on the Paladin Seal, but it should have an effect at reducing the AP requirements to trump the GS proc in Burst Potential some.
Glacial Stone procs for 75 damage, is 3.6 Speed and has the same base damage range as the BAR, which is a 3.8 Speed weapon with some strength.
In order for the BAR to exceed the GS's burst potential in a "White-to-White" Burst combo that includes a GS Proc, the BAR would need to deal more than 75 damage more than the weapon hits from the GS. Measuring with white hits alone, this would require a 37.5 weapon damage range advantage over the GS via the 0.2 speed difference. In order to do this, you'd need to have 187.5 DPS from AP... or 2625 Attack Power. I'd go for the GS for the purpose of burst potential, however, the stats on the BAR help make crit combos a little more consistent.
Now I'm not gonna calculate the bonus damage gained from STR on the BAR would make on the two white hits + any additional attacks you slip between the two, or the additional effect the .2 speed would have on the Paladin Seal, but it should have an effect at reducing the AP requirements to trump the GS proc in Burst Potential some.
how about working out how often each weapon is likely to burst higher than a set amount, say about 400 dmg. Since the extreme top end of a weapons burst only happens very rarely something like a 400 dmg threshold for working out optimum burst might be easier to interpret.
Conrose
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elocon said:
Indeed, but I do refer to Burst Potential. Let us look at it this way then. You can go with inferior Burst Potential in favor of higher "Reliable Burst" that the BAR provides, or you can go with the superior Burst Potential but lower "Reliable Burst" that the Glacial Stone provides.
So the question of "What's BiS" is really not dependant on the weapons itself but rather "Are you a Gambling Man" like I am. At least for a Warrior, again, I'm not familiar with Paladin Seal Mechanics, and "Seal of Righteousness" damage does get affected by weapon speed.
Conrose said:
well, if the enemy has +5 and arctic buckler, which is fairly possible when fighting a pala or sham, then the proc will have a 12% damage reduction.
lindenkron
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Conrose said:
If you wanna start talking mitigation you gotta bring in every scenario of enemies as well. You really sure you wanna start calculating Leather and Cloth armor people to see what weapon does 1 more damage on a swing against cloth / mail wearers etc?
