Ancient said:
there is no resistance on motw at 19.
Best 2h proved: BAR > GS
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there is no resistance on motw at 19.
lindenkron
OG
Kore nametooshort said:
Quite funny people still don't know this after 5 years. I've heard this repeated over and over again, even though we keep saying that there's no resistance on motw at 19
taniwha said:
Exactly, there's so many factors, many RNG based, that could change things around. You simply can't calculate your way out of this. Yet I bet these nerds will keep trying! ;D
penicillin
OG
On priest I use non boa SPstaff above boa one because of being able to use oil (+8 SP) on the first. Allso the 3 above posts (kore, tani, lind) are good remarks towards noting the difficulty of comparing these two weapons. Experience with both should probably give you the best clue and is fun to do allso (I think).
Conrose
OG
lindenkron said:
I'm not familiar with the typical armor mitigation of clothies is, but I've usually hung around 25-28% and up with leather on my Rogue Main. I imagine the shield that shamans have push this number up further, and that 40-50%+ is possible for Bear Form, Warriors and Paladins.
penicillin
OG
my priest is between 24,19% and 25,15% with Inner Fire up (315 armor), between 14% and 15,23% without Inner Fire (it should obviously allways be up but it happens..).Conrose said:
Conrose said:
no, 12% is not standard frost resistance, its just the highest probable value of frost resistance you would find in WSG, unless someone was really pissed about mages.
theorycraft can only take us so far i think. Does anyone feel up to finding a druid in FC gear and wailing on him for a little while with recount rolling with both weapons? and then do the same for a squishy mage?
Wtb programmable test dummies ^^
Wtb programmable test dummies ^^
Conrose said:
well ok, but burst potential isnt really a good indicator of burst of a weapon imo. A weapon isnt much good if it hits for an obscene amount once in ten thousand but pretty averagely the rest of the time. A better way of doing it would be to work out how often each can achieve a set value of burst.
brb, gonna attempt some maths.
Edit: can glacial proc off seals? glacial has ppm of 2 right? glacials proc crits like a spell, for 1.5*dmg?
okey dokey. Assuming that pally burst = 1melee swing+ 1 judgement + 2 seal procs and assuming that you are using this paladin with 3/7/0 spec using either BAR or GS with no enchant then the max burst and average burst of each weapon are as follow
For average burst ((AP/14 + wepdps)*MWS + 0.022*AP*MWS*1.09)*critchance + 0.2*AP*1.09 + (2*MWS*PPM*procdmg/120)
this comes out with the average burst of:
GS: ((309/14+21)*3.6+0.2*309*1.09)*1.1856+2*0.022*309*3.6*1.09+(2*3.6*2*75/120)
= 326.05 dmg
BAR: ((323/14+20)*3.8+0.2*323*1.09)*1.2058+2*0.022*323*3.8*1.09
= 341.13 dmg
for maximum burst we assume that everything that can crit crits and that everything that can proc procs. So....
((topend+AP*coef)+AP*0.2*1.09)*2 + 2*0.022*AP*1.09 + 2*procdmg*1.5
coef is the coefficient of attack power for each melee swing, given by Attack power coefficient - WoWWiki - Your guide to the World of Warcraft
this comes out as:
GS: ((91+309*0.257)+309*0.2*1.09)*2 + 2*3.6*0.022*309*1.09 + 2*75*1.5
= 753.90
BAR: ((91+323*0.271)+323*0.2*1.09)*2 + 2*3.8*0.022*323*1.09
= 556.760104
Now we can see that for your average burst setup that BAR is slightly better than GS, however the topend burst is very much more in GS's favour than BAR. Obviously we are missing some data, everything inbetween average burst and topend, and i might do some more calculations in a little while, however i can make some inferences. Since 20 extra damage on top of 300dmg is unlikely to drop anyone i conclude that Glacial stone is better than BAR due to the interpolation that whilst BAR hits harder on average, GS will hit hardest, resulting in more WTFPWN situations where you global someone.
NB: these data do not hold true for humans and orcs since BAR gives orc expertise and likewise with GS for humans.
Edit: fixed minor error, conclusion unchanged.
Edit2: oops i put MWS into the judgement part of the max burst. should be ok now.
For average burst ((AP/14 + wepdps)*MWS + 0.022*AP*MWS*1.09)*critchance + 0.2*AP*1.09 + (2*MWS*PPM*procdmg/120)
this comes out with the average burst of:
GS: ((309/14+21)*3.6+0.2*309*1.09)*1.1856+2*0.022*309*3.6*1.09+(2*3.6*2*75/120)
= 326.05 dmg
BAR: ((323/14+20)*3.8+0.2*323*1.09)*1.2058+2*0.022*323*3.8*1.09
= 341.13 dmg
for maximum burst we assume that everything that can crit crits and that everything that can proc procs. So....
((topend+AP*coef)+AP*0.2*1.09)*2 + 2*0.022*AP*1.09 + 2*procdmg*1.5
coef is the coefficient of attack power for each melee swing, given by Attack power coefficient - WoWWiki - Your guide to the World of Warcraft
this comes out as:
GS: ((91+309*0.257)+309*0.2*1.09)*2 + 2*3.6*0.022*309*1.09 + 2*75*1.5
= 753.90
BAR: ((91+323*0.271)+323*0.2*1.09)*2 + 2*3.8*0.022*323*1.09
= 556.760104
Now we can see that for your average burst setup that BAR is slightly better than GS, however the topend burst is very much more in GS's favour than BAR. Obviously we are missing some data, everything inbetween average burst and topend, and i might do some more calculations in a little while, however i can make some inferences. Since 20 extra damage on top of 300dmg is unlikely to drop anyone i conclude that Glacial stone is better than BAR due to the interpolation that whilst BAR hits harder on average, GS will hit hardest, resulting in more WTFPWN situations where you global someone.
NB: these data do not hold true for humans and orcs since BAR gives orc expertise and likewise with GS for humans.
Edit: fixed minor error, conclusion unchanged.
Edit2: oops i put MWS into the judgement part of the max burst. should be ok now.
Hurpdurp said:
Touche
Edit: atm it look in GS's favor since it only has 51% chance of getting base burst*, when BAR has 63%
*no crits on procs. brb still doin' maths