10-19 2015 TC Discussion, Planning, Indiegogo

[LennywBT]

Is the arena tourney going to be 2v2 or 3v3 ?

 

[Kristhoper]

3v3

 

[Rusks]

So if gamers league is going to become the host can we implement their rules? They had a pretty good set for the RBG tourney it'd be nice to just add the level 19 specific stuff to that and have a solid rule book

 

[artonkn]

So if gamers league is going to become the host can we implement their rules? They had a pretty good set for the RBG tourney it'd be nice to just add the level 19 specific stuff to that and have a solid rule book

May be a problem for some;

If it is found that a player is using third party software, abusing a bug or
exploiting the game in any way then it will result in an immediate
removal from the tournament and the team will receive an offense.
Gamers League doesn’t support the breaking of Blizzard’s Terms of
Service (ToS) at all.

But yes, the rulebook seems good.


Edit: I don't know about this though.

If you substitute out a player then you cannot play with the person you
just replaced in the next game. After playing the next game without that
player he may return.
This also goes for alt switching. If a player switches to an alt then he may
not switch from that alt until after they play the next game, at which point
they may switch again.

 

[Rusks]

May be a problem for some;





But yes, the rulebook seems good.


Edit: I don't know about this though.

the roster sizes were 15 person I think and unlimited alts. I'd support that if our rosters were the same but good catch. If our rosters stay at 13 I think that should be changed

 

[Snack]

Why would you change the rules to Gamers-League rules?

And [MENTION=18399]Myrm[/MENTION] any word on the deal with Gamers-Leage? Like how much influence do they want/expect to have. And is it possible for the 19 community to control the PoV's and do the commentary if it is decided to be hosted through GL?

 

[Freestylex]

Could someone running the event actually address the points being brought up?

Multiple crusader procs on warriors is a given to be banned. I've been on both sides of it i'd love to see someone try to justify the use of it in a tournament setting.

It's actually laughable when you get 3-4 procs & just see 2-3 people get 1 shot at once when the rend ticks.

 

[artonkn]

There would likely be one Gamers-League commentator, one permanent community commentator, and one rotating community commentator per game. There will likely be post game interviews between some games. The rules will continue to be decided here but they'll be in charge of enforcement, they're also encouraging me to use their rulebook. I haven't read their whole rulebook but in general I think the rules should be as simple as possible, and should be limited to actual gameplay issues and tournament formatting. There's going to need to be rules against any kind of vulgarity that might show up on stream, but I'd hate to see someone be disqualified for something that happens outside of the game.

I haven't discussed it with them yet but it might be possible to have them stream the game as an observer only, similar to how many sc2 tournaments are done. This would allow all 3 commentators to be from the community but the spectator pov would be separate from any of the commentators. It seems fairly unlikely that they'll accept this.

Remember, simple is good, but the more simple they are, the easier they are to exploit around.

 

[Rusks]

Their rules are good add the 19s rules and it's perfect

 

[Epicmxcer]

Disclaimer: If you are under 18 participating in this tournament may disqualify you from competing in amateur sports

Does this mean you MUST be 18 to participate??

 

[Conq]

Does this mean you MUST be 18 to participate??

His exact words were "if you are under 18 participating in this tournament MAY disqualify you from competing in amateur sports"

So that;s not a definite.

Myrm Legally speaking, is an E-sport the same as a normal sport? Does this matter?

 

[Myrm]

Does this mean you MUST be 18 to participate??

You don't need to be but if you're under 18 it may affect your amateur status. You should probably talk to a lawyer or your coach if this is something you're concerned about.

Myrm Legally speaking, is an E-sport the same as a normal sport? Does this matter?

The U.S. Now Recognizes eSports Players As Professional Athletes - Forbes

 

[(Hass)]

It's ridiculous rules and sign ups haven't been posted yet.. why is this not happening?

 

[artonkn]

^^^




Also lol at those char names and guild names "seven grand" when the prize pool isn't final.

 

[muskiebad]

You don't need to be but if you're under 18 it may affect your amateur status. You should probably talk to a lawyer or your coach if this is something you're concerned about.

The U.S. Now Recognizes eSports Players As Professional Athletes - Forbes

This isn't an esport event, this is a community tournament. Different rules apply. This is far from Esports.

 

[artonkn]

This isn't an esport event, this is a community tournament. Different rules apply. This is far from Esports.

Why

 

[muskiebad]

Why

You can't just run a tournament for a few thousand and think it's Esports. Exposure and backing from the developer or a host company (ESL, WCG, WCS) and title sponsorships are things I would consider a necessity before considering it an Esports event. Simply put, those are the 'leagues';without them, these are just small time tournaments. You can regard that as Esports if you'd like but nobody in a position of power would. Especially the government. Live environment is debatable but that would just make it a LAN event, sponsors would be an umbrella.

 

[Dramatized]

You can't just run a tournament for a few thousand and think it's Esports. Exposure and backing from the developer or a host company (ESL, WCG, WCS) and title sponsorships are things I would consider a necessity before considering it an Esports event. Simply put, those are the 'leagues';without them, these are just small time tournaments. You can regard that as Esports if you'd like but nobody in a position of power would. Especially the government. Live environment is debatable but that would just make it a LAN event, sponsors would be an umbrella.

this all feels like it's your definition of it. that's not of much help really

 

[muskiebad]

this all feels like it's your definition of it. that's not of much help really

You're right - I don't think there is a definition of what makes something Esports out there yet, at least not to the public. Haven't you heard the term 'we Esports now' though? It insinuates the difference between standard gaming and the next level. I like to think of it this way: if the tournament would have been run the same way ten years ago, it's probably not considered Esports.

There are exceptions of course, blizzcon, mlg, cal, but those all fall under the things I listed before.

You are right though, this is my interpretation, however I am quite well read within the Esports scene and I have followed Esports since it started to blow up again. There have been community tournaments run on a HUGE scale (ggClassic, reddit tourneys, Kings of Europe etc) they are still amateur tournaments, even if there are pro teams playing. I think this has a pretty solid chance to change considering the amount of attention its been receiving, but it's a few years down the line and some serious mindset changes on the community and blizzards end.

Who cares though? Fuck titles this tournament is going to be awesome, but don't tell people that they can follow the same rules as LoL players who get athlete visas.

 

[Conq]

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