10-19 2015 TC Discussion, Planning, Indiegogo

[(Hass)]

It doesn't matter how the money gets spent, the money is only important for the prestige it bestows on the winner and the tournament as a whole. The Twink Cup isn't about money, it's about love and the pursuit of glory. The 19 twink bracket in WoW offers a kind of acceptance and fraternity that's difficult to find elsewhere, and at a much lower cost. In real life the path to acceptance for those that can find it is often paved with violence and drugs, and glory is reserved for the few. The Twink Cup strives to provide an opportunity for people to experience things that they otherwise wouldn't, and to extend that opportunity to as many people as possible. The money is the beacon and the source of this glory.

The trust of an entire community is not something that's easily earned or wisely squandered. To have such a large amount of people share your vision and work to make this vision succeed is a beautiful thing. You don't need to go to Africa to find a worthy cause or deserving people. I've had several people tell me directly how important the bracket has been in getting them through the struggles of life, and there's been one person that I considered a friend that didn't make it. I've experienced first hand some of the "causes" that other people have to offer. I was kicked out and arrested when I was 15, I lost my friends shortly after, many of whom were on drugs. I spent most of my time playing 19 twinks until I was forced to see a counselor, her exact words were "no one would care if you died." This is the narrative of so many of these so-called benevolent causes, that you're unimportant, that you're a monster undeserving of friendship or acceptance, that you'll never amount to anything.

The goal of the Twink Cup is to present a different narrative. You can succeed, you are good at something and you deserve recognition, you will make friends and find acceptance. The Twink Cup is to be a light providing warmth and hope in a cold, dark world. If you can present me with a more worthy cause I'd love to hear it.

I'm split on whether I should bear arms and fight for your or to clap for you after giving an acceptance speech for an award.

 

[Cipe]

It doesn't matter how the money gets spent, the money is only important for the prestige it bestows on the winner and the tournament as a whole. The Twink Cup isn't about money, it's about love and the pursuit of glory. The 19 twink bracket in WoW offers a kind of acceptance and fraternity that's difficult to find elsewhere, and at a much lower cost. In real life the path to acceptance for those that can find it is often paved with violence and drugs, and glory is reserved for the few. The Twink Cup strives to provide an opportunity for people to experience things that they otherwise wouldn't, and to extend that opportunity to as many people as possible. The money is the beacon and the source of this glory.

The trust of an entire community is not something that's easily earned or wisely squandered. To have such a large amount of people share your vision and work to make this vision succeed is a beautiful thing. You don't need to go to Africa to find a worthy cause or deserving people. I've had several people tell me directly how important the bracket has been in getting them through the struggles of life, and there's been one person that I considered a friend that didn't make it. I've experienced first hand some of the "causes" that other people have to offer. I was kicked out and arrested when I was 15, I lost my friends shortly after, many of whom were on drugs. I spent most of my time playing 19 twinks until I was forced to see a counselor, her exact words were "no one would care if you died." This is the narrative of so many of these so-called benevolent causes, that you're unimportant, that you're a monster undeserving of friendship or acceptance, that you'll never amount to anything.

The goal of the Twink Cup is to present a different narrative. You can succeed, you are good at something and you deserve recognition, you will make friends and find acceptance. The Twink Cup is to be a light providing warmth and hope in a cold, dark world. If you can present me with a more worthy cause I'd love to hear it.

That was beautiful. Long live Myrm! Long live Twinks! And long live the Twink Cup!

 

[Hunnybuns]

Since we're coming up to 3 months from the Cup, I wanted to address an issue that I feel at large the community is dusting aside.

Whenever I recruit players to come to 19s, I advise people to take a look at the forums to figure out which realm/guild could suit as there ideal spot for playing in the bracket and landing a spot on a team for the Twink Cup. I always give favoritism to encourage new twinks to make the move to come to Bleeding Hollow if they ask for my opinion.

Currently on Bleeding Hollow and in the Bracket in general, we are lacking teams, we are lacking leaders. I talked about this issue recently in a podcast 2-3 weeks back, it is not the issue of we are missing people stepping up on the forums, or providing information/funding for players looking to join the bracket, but we are missing individuals that can step up and lead a team in the PvP aspect of the tournament. As of now, there are 4 players in my mind who have proven that they are capable of leading a successful team in the Twink Cup. The issue is these players all reside in 2 guilds that have already capped out their rosters. Are there more guilds in the bracket that have players and individuals currently striving to meet this goal of leading a team into the Twink Cup? Yes, but as of now most of the already formed guilds are coming to a close on their rosters and are beginning to work on overall team synergy/strategy.

I write this as a wake up call to an issue left lingering in the current state of the bracket and to challenge players to take the next step in their Twink PvP experience to build a team that is capable of giving a fight in the Cup. With the rise of activity/growth in the bracket, there is an opportunity to build more teams and get involved in the cup, there are ample amount of players that can't wait to take part in the tournament, but the guilds/teams that have committed to having teams in the cup are close to filling all of their available roster slots.

The bracket is in desperate need of players that have the confidence in their PvP ability/knowledge to lead a team/guild into the Twink Cup.

"Leaders aren't born, they are made. And they are made just like anything else, through hard work. And that's the price we'll have to pay to achieve that goal, or any goal." - Vince Lombardi

 

[Matando17]

Since we're coming up to 3 months from the Cup, I wanted to address an issue that I feel at large the community is dusting aside.

Whenever I recruit players to come to 19s, I advise people to take a look at the forums to figure out which realm/guild could suit as there ideal spot for playing in the bracket and landing a spot on a team for the Twink Cup. I always give favoritism to encourage new twinks to make the move to come to Bleeding Hollow if they ask for my opinion.

Currently on Bleeding Hollow and in the Bracket in general, we are lacking teams, we are lacking leaders. I talked about this issue recently in a podcast 2-3 weeks back, it is not the issue of we are missing people stepping up on the forums, or providing information/funding for players looking to join the bracket, but we are missing individuals that can step up and lead a team in the PvP aspect of the tournament. As of now, there are 4 players in my mind who have proven that they are capable of leading a successful team in the Twink Cup. The issue is these players all reside in 2 guilds that have already capped out their rosters. Are there more guilds in the bracket that have players and individuals currently striving to meet this goal of leading a team into the Twink Cup? Yes, but as of now most of the already formed guilds are coming to a close on their rosters and are beginning to work on overall team synergy/strategy.

I write this as a wake up call to an issue left lingering in the current state of the bracket and to challenge players to take the next step in their Twink PvP experience to build a team that is capable of giving a fight in the Cup. With the rise of activity/growth in the bracket, there is an opportunity to build more teams and get involved in the cup, there are ample amount of players that can't wait to take part in the tournament, but the guilds/teams that have committed to having teams in the cup are close to filling all of their available roster slots.

The bracket is in desperate need of players that have the confidence in their PvP ability/knowledge to lead a team/guild into the Twink Cup.

"Leaders aren't born, they are made. And they are made just like anything else, through hard work. And that's the price we'll have to pay to achieve that goal, or any goal." - Vince Lombardi

I'll be leading a team. I have myself and three close friends that I have always played with, whether it be 19s or max level. We are all 2200+ on mains, and I lead our RBG's. I don't post here often but I think some people may know me, I've been around long enough lol. Anyway we are looking for anyone to come play with us and if we click then we can talk about adding you to our team. We only have 4 spots filled for sure so anyone who is interested just add me on btag: Higginson#1521

 

[diddleme]

Personally, to the people talking about the money, for me it isn't about the money. This is a great thing for the bracket and to my understanding it hasn't attracted this much attention from non-twinks ever. I can also tell you the guilds that call 19s their home will all tell you this same thing. This is, in my opinion, the most competitive bracket in almost every way. All the people that call this bracket their home just want to step up and be able to say they are the best in the bracket. I think you could take the prize pool away and the majority of the 19 guilds that are already here would still participate because of that reason. I know I would. I am putting a team together because I just want the chance to participate in some quality games. Huge props to Myrm for doing this again and also if you are thinking about participating do yourself and everyone else a service and get a proxy.

 

[#Idiote]

Half of the 10s are playing 19s in the tourny, the other half are MIA. I did give it a thought though!

All good. You wouldn't have won, anyway.

 

[PPPopper]

Since we're coming up to 3 months from the Cup, I wanted to address an issue that I feel at large the community is dusting aside.

Whenever I recruit players to come to 19s, I advise people to take a look at the forums to figure out which realm/guild could suit as there ideal spot for playing in the bracket and landing a spot on a team for the Twink Cup. I always give favoritism to encourage new twinks to make the move to come to Bleeding Hollow if they ask for my opinion.

Currently on Bleeding Hollow and in the Bracket in general, we are lacking teams, we are lacking leaders. I talked about this issue recently in a podcast 2-3 weeks back, it is not the issue of we are missing people stepping up on the forums, or providing information/funding for players looking to join the bracket, but we are missing individuals that can step up and lead a team in the PvP aspect of the tournament. As of now, there are 4 players in my mind who have proven that they are capable of leading a successful team in the Twink Cup. The issue is these players all reside in 2 guilds that have already capped out their rosters. Are there more guilds in the bracket that have players and individuals currently striving to meet this goal of leading a team into the Twink Cup? Yes, but as of now most of the already formed guilds are coming to a close on their rosters and are beginning to work on overall team synergy/strategy.

I write this as a wake up call to an issue left lingering in the current state of the bracket and to challenge players to take the next step in their Twink PvP experience to build a team that is capable of giving a fight in the Cup. With the rise of activity/growth in the bracket, there is an opportunity to build more teams and get involved in the cup, there are ample amount of players that can't wait to take part in the tournament, but the guilds/teams that have committed to having teams in the cup are close to filling all of their available roster slots.

The bracket is in desperate need of players that have the confidence in their PvP ability/knowledge to lead a team/guild into the Twink Cup.

"Leaders aren't born, they are made. And they are made just like anything else, through hard work. And that's the price we'll have to pay to achieve that goal, or any goal." - Vince Lombardi

I feel ya on the issue but I think it is tougher than just needing leaders. Guessing the 4 that you can think of have TONS of 19 exp in the last few expansions/years. Recruiting players imo is a 50/50. It's getting the attention ya but like you said the game quality is going down. People who aren't dedicated to the bracket or are just here for the $ are making games worse. I understand stepping up as a leader but when you have such bad games 4 droods 3 rogues vs no heals it's tough to "persuade" anyone that the bracket is back and should be played. It's going to happen no stopping it. Doesn't help that once a decent game is getting played once the first cap half the team /afk's pretty much ruining the game and they're usually the more skilled people in the group I understand the frustration but it's not helping. I think 1/10 ppl that check out the bracket will be assets. I think it's just going to take time to develop good comp etc. May not come by the time TC starts but if ya keep the hype up for the bracket it can take form.

Challenge excepted /corny but on da real come twink with us again. Once we can replace big daddy kunz on our team I really wanna play yall weekly but the issues above are some of the things/reasons I cannot get my team to pug etc to get dat passion back.

 

[Snack]

I feel ya on the issue but I think it is tougher than just needing leaders. Guessing the 4 that you can think of have TONS of 19 exp in the last few expansions/years. Recruiting players imo is a 50/50. It's getting the attention ya but like you said the game quality is going down. People who aren't dedicated to the bracket or are just here for the $ are making games worse. I understand stepping up as a leader but when you have such bad games 4 droods 3 rogues vs no heals it's tough to "persuade" anyone that the bracket is back and should be played. It's going to happen no stopping it. Doesn't help that once a decent game is getting played once the first cap half the team /afk's pretty much ruining the game and they're usually the more skilled people in the group I understand the frustration but it's not helping. I think 1/10 ppl that check out the bracket will be assets. I think it's just going to take time to develop good comp etc. May not come by the time TC starts but if ya keep the hype up for the bracket it can take form.

Challenge excepted /corny but on da real come twink with us again. Once we can replace big daddy kunz on our team I really wanna play yall weekly but the issues above are some of the things/reasons I cannot get my team to pug etc to get dat passion back.

I think he was looking for already twinks already in integated in the bracket to either step out of the shadow of their leaders and form a team of their own. Or set up s 'B' team within the guild. To get more activty and the possability for more wargames. No need to recruit more ppl to join the bracket (allthough it wouldn't be bad if they are good players etc) but more a need for people already within the bracket to step up as leaders

 

[PPPopper]

I think he was looking for already twinks already in integated in the bracket to either step out of the shadow of their leaders and form a team of their own. Or set up s 'B' team within the guild. To get more activty and the possability for more wargames. No need to recruit more ppl to join the bracket (allthough it wouldn't be bad if they are good players etc) but more a need for people already within the bracket to step up as leaders

I'd like to say that is what i said/meant in my post. Stepping up/afking. No need to recruit cause gems are 1/10. Sorry if what i said was rambling or confusing.

 

[(Hass)]

How many confirmed teams do we know are locks for the tink cup?

 

[Hunnybuns]

a need for people already within the bracket to step up as leaders

This idea. Players capable of leading a team with a competitive edge into the Twink Cup.
[MENTION=13034]PPPopper[/MENTION] From a pug standpoint I understand your frustration with the current class meta, let me change your mindset a bit. There will be games where I queue into opposing flavor comps, and the game looks won before the gates open. Although on one hand these games give significant advantage to one team solely due to class comp, it provides an up and coming leader (or any player for that matter) a huge opportunity to push the limits of their knowledge/game play to overcome the odds and the challenge to find a way to win. With solid team gulch fundamentals, even flavorful rainbow comps can be challenged with smart game play by the opposing team. Push the limits of your team to put yourself in the best position to win. Is the pug meta great? By no means, but there is plenty of opportunities to have challenging games just due to this meta if players understand gulch/map fundamentals.

And these opportunities to increase group synergy/strategy in pugs directly translate into having team cohesion in premades.

I mean this post only to show my perspective of how I look for opportunities to grow through the current meta in hopes to inspire you and your crew to continue queuing on the regs.

Edit: [MENTION=19941]Matando17[/MENTION] That is great news about the team! Goodluck with getting your squad together, Matando is good people.

 

[Allybeboba]

What one cap AFKers fail to understand, is that even after the first cap the game is essentially tied. It is the second cap that may determine the winner, not the first.

/cheers
Sweetsidney

 

[Pvv]

All good. You wouldn't have won, anyway.

With all the work people are trying to do to increase the quality of teams for the TC and you throw that line. That kind of attitude pushes players who are potentially highly school but unsure about themselves away. HB, Papa, and a few others are trying to increase teams and skill levels at 19 but when people are sent to TI they read stuff like that. Why would someone want to play when this is the environment that is already set up? We were all once bottom of the barrel in twinking, lets not kid ourselves. We didn't come out swinging with the best, we played until we understood how to improve our game.

All I'm asking is the 19 Community stop with the mindless insults, some are joking but even those will take its toll. Lets try to encourage people to form more teams, start wargaming with other guilds!

 

[Rusks]

With all the work people are trying to do to increase the quality of teams for the TC and you throw that line. That kind of attitude pushes players who are potentially highly school but unsure about themselves away. HB, Papa, and a few others are trying to increase teams and skill levels at 19 but when people are sent to TI they read stuff like that. Why would someone want to play when this is the environment that is already set up? We were all once bottom of the barrel in twinking, lets not kid ourselves. We didn't come out swinging with the best, we played until we understood how to improve our game.

All I'm asking is the 19 Community stop with the mindless insults, some are joking but even those will take its toll. Lets try to encourage people to form more teams, start wargaming with other guilds!

9 levels of gear/abilities lol there's no fucking way 10s would beat a full 19 premade no matter how skilled the 10s were it was harsh but true

 

[#Idiote]

With all the work people are trying to do to increase the quality of teams for the TC and you throw that line. That kind of attitude pushes players who are potentially highly school but unsure about themselves away. HB, Papa, and a few others are trying to increase teams and skill levels at 19 but when people are sent to TI they read stuff like that. Why would someone want to play when this is the environment that is already set up? We were all once bottom of the barrel in twinking, lets not kid ourselves. We didn't come out swinging with the best, we played until we understood how to improve our game.

All I'm asking is the 19 Community stop with the mindless insults, some are joking but even those will take its toll. Lets try to encourage people to form more teams, start wargaming with other guilds!

I'll take "Context" for 500, Alex.

 

[Sponsor]

All good. You wouldn't have won, anyway.

Neither will you

BTW, what was your post supposed to lead to? Did you have a point in saying that? If you have an issue with me, take it to inbox which I can ignore more easily.

 

[MYT]

Why would some even suggest that Myrm just give the money away? Do you live in a fantasy universe where people can raise money for one purpose and then just decide to give it charity instead? Obviously Myrm wouldn't do that but why would you even suggest it. Your question is better addressed to the donors instead. In my case I'm generous in plenty of areas. I didn't short any of those to donate to the twink cup - i just donated more than I normally do. And I don't really care if people think it's a worthy cause - I obviously did which is why I donated to it. And my opinion is 100% the only one I care about when I decide where to donate my money that I worked for.

 

[#Idiote]

Neither will you

BTW, what was your post supposed to lead to? Did you have a point in saying that? If you have an issue with me, take it to inbox which I can ignore more easily.

Naw, I'd rather have you responding. Thank you. Btw, I read your guide and it made me play worse.

 

[Sponsor]

Naw, I'd rather have you responding. Thank you. Btw, I read your guide and it made me play worse.

You're welcome I guess its designated audience is slightly above your education level

How long do you want to keep this going?

 

[Dorigon]

Myrm, why dont you donate the money to a cause?

Seems like you have managed to get lots of money. Would be a huge waste to give it off to teenage boys... What are they going to do with that money? A new computer?

Think about it.

And what would you do with the money if you won, soccer dad?