God

[icehawk]

I've realized that arguing from a evidence based standpoint with someone who professes mere faith is like trying to swat a plane out of thin air with a fly swatter. By stating that they have faith in their position they are openly admitting willful ignorance to all evidence contradicting their beliefs and shutting out all the instances in their lives where their faith will be tested.

You got more faith than me Druiddroid. Let's look at the evidence.......
A big explosion with particles flying in every direction.....
I don't know about you, but every explosion I've ever seen on the news, all that's left is a pile of rubble and mess and broken stuff. I have never seen an explosion where all the parts flying in every direction somehow all gather together and form say a brand new house with working plumbing and an electrical system, ready to live in?
Well that's the evidence presented.........
You believe in the evidence, then you have more faith than me.
I'll stick to my simple faith in the One who laid down His life for me.

 

[Druiddroid]

You got more faith than me Druiddroid. Let's look at the evidence.......
A big explosion with particles flying in every direction.....
I don't know about you, but every explosion I've ever seen on the news, all that's left is a pile of rubble and mess and broken stuff. I have never seen an explosion where all the parts flying in every direction somehow all gather together and form say a brand new house with working plumbing and an electrical system, ready to live in?
Well that's the evidence presented.........
You believe in the evidence, then you have more faith than me.
I'll stick to my simple faith in the One who laid down His life for me.

I'm an old-school atheist and I'm here to say,

As you flock to atheism, I yell "Hooray!"

I've been doing this ish since before it was cool,

So let me take a quick moment to take y'all to school.

Disbelieving in god ain't always the easiest,

But those fundie mothafuckas is truly the sleaziest.

It ain't always easy, but it's definitely worth it,

Because atheism, you're truly the shit.

Yo, if you believe in Islam

I'm here to tell you, sorry, you're wrong.

I know you think that Allah is the bomb,

But mostly you're deluded misogynist dongs.

And for all of you there who are my Christian bros,

Messin' with your 12-year old alter boy "hos,"

We're here to say your beliefs are whack

There ain't no god and your pope's a quack.

And finally, that brings me to my friends, the Jews.

Please don't think we forgot about you.

Don't believe that since you been around a little longer,

That your ideas on Yahweh ain't wronger.

World-wide floods? Partin seas? A talking bush?

Sounds like OG stoners been smoking the kush.

So the next time you're debating getting on your knees,

Atheism is here to beg you, please,

Try today, to just think for yourself.

It's good for the world, and it's good for your health.

 

[LennywBT]

Pray to Jesus.

 

[Kimberlee]

Pray to Jesus.

 

[Zemmix]

Not gonna bother to go into it.

But I like Kimberlee.

 

[Tom Ganks]

Here's my 2 copper. Feel free to object.
Prepare your anus.

It's common tradition in places like the United States for a parent to lie to their children that a fat man in a red suit will come down their chimney and leave gifts under the tree. But it's also tradition for those children to be told he doesn't exist after time, or question his existence at some point. The case with religion is, the teacher is unaware that he/she is teaching something just as ridiculous. They are convinced throughout adulthood and childhood, and have no parent or mentor to tell them otherwise.
Saint Nicholas is a lie that is easily dis-proven with evidence (or lack there of) when your presents do not magically show up under your tree. Religion is a lie that requires no physical proof or accountability, just a young mind or an adult with zero self-esteem.

"For the lord is my shepherd"
So we're the sheep? It's evident that some people need an imaginary explanation, as opposed to a much more challenging explanation that is science (you know, that thing that keeps your feet on the ground).

The laws of science also govern the fact that man cannot walk on water. That animals from different continents cannot swim across the ocean to board an ark, let alone survive their species from only 2 mates (and tons of incest to come). That the earth is not 6000 years old, but 4.5 billion based on geological studies. That it is also not flat, but spherical.

The further we advance science, the further we disprove holy teachings. The more moral Christians and Muslims become, the less Christian and Muslim they become. It is hypocritical to follow a religion, yet disregard its teachings.

[Quran: 533] "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides"

[Bible-Ephesians 6:5 NLT] "Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ."

The more progressive these religions become, the further they strain from their roots, and the opinions of their god is disregarded. Extremists are simply people who stick to their teachings.

I like to see religion as this blob of green goo that latches onto newly found discoveries about the universe, and shrouds it with some far-fetched reasoning as to how it came to be, rather than what studies show.
The safest move for theists is to say that their divine king created the big bang, and moved onto another project, without leaving a trace of his/her/its existence.

 

[icehawk]

The further we advance science, the further we disprove holy teachings. The more moral Christians and Muslims become, the less Christian and Muslim they become. It is hypocritical to follow a religion, yet disregard its teachings.

The very science some of you claim to 'disprove holy teachings' will be the very thing that condemns you should you not accept the free gift of eternal life, from a loving Father.

[Romans 1:19-22] 'since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse. For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools'

However, remember the following offer remains valid only as long as you have breath in your lungs.....

[John 3:16] "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.'

[Deuteronomy 30:19] '...I have set before you life and death, ...Now choose life...'

 

[Dorigon]

Live and let live. Atheists can be just as annoying as religious people.

 

[Dorigon]

The very science some of you claim to 'disprove holy teachings' will be the very thing that condemns you should you not accept the free gift of eternal life, from a loving Father.

[Romans 1:19-22] 'since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse. For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools'

However, remember the following offer remains valid only as long as you have breath in your lungs.....

[John 3:16] "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.'

[Deuteronomy 30:19] '...I have set before you life and death, ...Now choose life...'

So, would you say that God sacrificed himself to himself to save his own creations from his own wrath?

 

[Tom Ganks]

Live and let live. Atheists can be just as annoying as religious people.

The whole debate is as annoying as it is unecessary.

 

[icehawk]

So, would you say that God sacrificed himself to himself to save his own creations from his own wrath?

Couldn't have said it better myself.
We messed up in the garden and rebelled against a Holy and Righteous God, who is also a just God. If He is just, then every act of disobedience must be served justice right?
Well, the only choice was to either let us all go to a lost eternity becuase...

[Ecclesiastes 7:20] 'There is not a righteous man on earth who does what is right and never sins.'

Or pay the price Himself since no-one else could in order that He could spend eternity with His creation.

[Romans 5:6-11] 'You see, at just the right time, when we were still powerless, Christ died for the ungodly. Very rarely will anyone die for a righteous man, though for a good man someone might possibly dare to die. But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Since we have now been justified by his blood, how much more shall we be saved from God's wrath through him! For if, when we were God's enemies, we were reconciled to him through the death of his Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through his life! Not only is this so, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.'

but to some......

[1 Corinthians 1:18] 'For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.'

Thanks Druiddroid for starting this thread........ I can talk about this all day

 

[Tom Ganks]

Thanks Druiddroid for starting this thread........ I can talk about this all day

That's quite alright. Without theists to debate, atheism wouldn't have a title. Instead, we would just be considered sane.

But again, I don't like debate on this subject, since it's like debating a flat-earther.

I'm not going to stop ya though. You're probably turning more readers into atheists than the ones already here.

 

[icehawk]

[Matthew 24:37-39] 'As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.'

and

[2 Peter 2:5] 'if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others;'

Noah was a preacher of righteousness, but no-one listened except those in his family. Today there are many preachers of righteousness, and the Ark still has it's doors open..................

[Luke 14:23] "Then the master told his servant, 'Go out to the roads and country lanes and make them come in, so that my house will be full.'

This thread has been fun. I'll spare you all further grief and not respond any further in this thread. How does that sound?

 

[Zelpher]

So, would you say that God sacrificed himself to himself to save his own creations from his own wrath?

Hmmmm........?

 

[Cigarette]

Who cares? I consider myself agnostic, but I grew up in a Mormon family, and frankly, I couldn't imagine them being the loving people they are without their faith. The town I grew up in was 90% Mormon as well, and I couldn't begin to count the times I was outside chopping firewood for the elderly, helping people move, or just camping out with my church laughing around a campfire. They're good people, and a lot of them lived rough lives before making themselves into better folks through a desire to have faith.

So no, I don't particularly care what you believe in. If having faith in an invisible man in the sky makes you a better person, then may that invisible man bless you for the rest of your days. Personally I feel like actions speak louder than words, and while I've met a lot of folks who hide their hatefulness and bigotry under faith, one of the reasons I'll always support the LDS church and only donate to LDS charities is because I grew up seeing the difference it made in peoples' lives. And although I don't agree with their stance on several ideologies, as long as they treat me with respect, I'll do the same.

 

[Leek]

I keep thinking there's some inside joke that I miss with these threads.

I'm pretty sure a comment was deleted somewhere

 

[Conq]

I've realized that arguing from a evidence based standpoint with someone who professes mere faith is like trying to swat a plane out of thin air with a fly swatter. By stating that they have faith in their position they are openly admitting willful ignorance to all evidence contradicting their beliefs and shutting out all the instances in their lives where their faith will be tested. Almost like closing their eyes or plugging their ears and keep going forward cutting off everything in their peripheral vision that may distract them. To a lot of theists saying that they have faith in their position would feel as though they are conceding something to atheists. Admitting that there are discrepancies in how the world works vs how the Bible tells them it works, it almost always gives the atheist an upper hand in any debate. So a lot of theists throw themselves into the corner of their favorite apologist and make fantastic use of their well evolved confirmation bias to keep them strong in their faith. This is a battle that can only be won with time, and not in this moment. With new generations of children growing up in an ever expanding age of information, it becomes easier for them to question their own beliefs by themselves. Then they can come to their own conclusions and will be raised without the dogma attached to believing in magical sky daddies. In time, theistic numbers will dwindle and eventually be confined to underground clubs or corners of this world currently inhabited by conspiracy theorists.

Another reason of mine for cutting back my engagement with theists is because of the blatant dishonest tactics use to discredit the others position. An atheist will rarely ever mention something or state a fact unless they have a rudimentary understanding of what they are trying to convey. The theists will more often than not argue from complete and utter ignorance and sometimes even resort to conspiracy theory to disprove you. I have a very low tolerance for bullshit and this was the main reason I was so furious toward myself for believing in religious bullshit for as long as I have. I did not have a traumatic experience that happened to me which turned me to atheism. I did not have someone "shake my faith." I questioned myself, looked for the truth, studied the facts the best I could and came to my own conclusions. The best part of the process is that it's never ending, and everything I once denied that kept me strong in my faith I can now openly research and learn about. All without feeling like the wrath of God was about to be unleashed upon my sorry ass.

This is something religious people ever do, and when they do they will turn to religiously based sources to strengthen their current held beliefs. It drives me to the point of wanting to punch a hole in the wall when someone can be thankful for the existence of all of scientific advances, many people toiled over, died for and have been persecuted for over many centuries of investigation, people who were testing sheer hard work only to have that same hard work labeled a conspiracy when it crosses the line of being beneficial to them and pointing out the inconsistencies in their belief system. When I see someone in need and the common response from theists is I will pray for you

I want to shake that person by the neck. Why when faced with adversity is the first response from an atheist is what can I do that can make a tangible difference to that person's suffering of problem? When the theists decides to take two minutes to send an invisible telegram with NO address to an invisible puppet master, do they honestly think they've done something beneficial when they shot off a few words into thin air?

Every apologetic I've came into contact with are rooted in faith and wishful thinking. When someone think like this I don't want to engage them. They already know the answer and are deliberately painting over it with faith, because it makes them a soldier for their god, because the suffering for the position they hold in the face of facts contradicting their position makes them a martyr in the eyes of their god. Because they simply can't wrap their head around the fact that this life may be the only life they'll ever have. Does this make them a bad person? Probably not. Are they allowed to preach to me, tell me what I believe and deny scientific fact because it suits their position? HELL NO. That is where my tolerance for their position ends.

I pretty much agree with all of this, except i'm not an atheist, i'm an agnostic, you cannot prove that a god doesn't exist, and you cannot prove that one does. I was raised in a jewish house hold that encouraged free thinking, I never believed in Santa, or any god/after life.

I will say that as an agnostic I would be unable to worship something that allowed the hardships of reality to exist, it seems very cruel to me for an omnipotent being to allow all the suffering that is in the world.

Saying that a higher power has their reasons is not good enough for me, and if that means i'm going to hell, than so be it.

I don't often find myself willing to socialize with those who are too open about their belief in god, I would rather not talk about these things at all with someone i'm friends with.

I think there is more to reality than we are currently capable of understanding. I also think all things that we can observe are quantifiable, eventually if humans make it long enough there is no reason we cannot have a complete mastery of the universe.

 

[Irrational]

 

[Conq]

I lold

 

[Denurd]

God aint real get yor facts straight

bibel disagrees haha checkmate fam