Farming v Containing

[iminibiv]

i was told thread problematic. now it is for your definitions of farming v containing
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we didn't farm we capped all 3 with 13 mins left

imo farming is being past path, not letting them mount up and regroup. time no factor. you can get carried away containing just move back

6 guys on skype spending some nice wow time laughing our bums off by how fast we can kill stuff :3

games are about enjoyment so people with problem bout this^ are silly imo

Yeah really what do you need to contain if you're 3 capping? I'm sure you could have just as easily won your game without "containing"

containing from behind path can be fun, game is for fun

This isn't what the founding Fathers of Ap had in mind. For shame.

i like this post because i thought sarcasm Shft apparently didn't think same way xD

Stop lumping everyone

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someone who takes this video game too seriously. just a game... theres a leave battle ground button on your mini map right??

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there is nothing wrong with farming or containing gy. Who cares about peoples emotions, its a video game. I came in for the FLAG!!!!

we are all here to cap the flag, it is a sacred thing in WSG. Nothing will stop me from capping the sacred flag, I will farm everything to cap that flag.

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They are called battlegrounds for a reason. Anything goes life or death, thats just how it is in battlegrounds people just need to deal with it.

As for farming ruining ones reputation, I think not, because, it is just a game and one should not care as much as what people on twinkinfo think of them.

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IT'S FOR LAZY PEOPLE. LAZY PEOPLE THAT DON'T EVEN WANNA PLAY WSG

actually makes sense

Farming does not neccessarily define your personality traits no matter how much you think of a monster they are for doing it

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[Franciska]

Well you got alot of guts, kid. Nobody disses the TI´s top honches like this, yo.

And yeah containing is a sorry excuse for farming till there has been capped or the game has been won. WSG is a shitty pvp format anyway.

This isn't what the founding Fathers of Ap had in mind. For shame.

1600/10 AB's and 3/0 WSG's all over in Cata. I please hope this poster fucking joking if he though AP was any good at any given time.

 

[Bloodinhoo]

Farming. Whatever the name.

Farming sucks. Stop.

 

[wut]

what makes me lol is that most of the ppl QQing in that thread mained hunters

 

[Dramatized]

farming = killing w/o capping

containing = killing while capping

one of these is totallt legit and efficient, while the other isn't

IMHO

 

[Mesikämmen]

Farm if that's what you get your kicks out of, contain if you want. Who the fuck cares xd Not like it's a small bracket that will die out because some people sit at the gy.

 

[Denurd]

Helyo guise im goeng 2 call 24s twendey foorz , is diferend name is okey now ?
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You guys are seriously fucking stupid.
Too bad everyone "contains" with like 3 or 4 huntards.
Otherwise they would get trashed as fuck.

 

[Seawasp]

I pug most BGs and it seems like the general tendency of a winning group is for the fight to naturally drift to the opposing faction graveyard. I see it happen most of the time without any talk of farming or containing going on in chat. Seems like the design of the gulch just kinda promotes this strategy for poorly balanced matches.

I don't ever try to farm, and if I find myself in that area after chasing someone over there, I do try to get back to the game rather than hang out. It does get pretty boring when, as in planned farming, your team just decides not to cap the third flag and you're the only one wandering around occasionally doing some 1v1 with rogues. I understand why many would just go along with it.

 

[SallyG]

I personally think farming to any degree and containing are pretty much the same thing. Interchangeable! I don't do it, but I won't loathe you for doing it. The reason the last thread blew up is because you have people firmly straddling both sides of the fence! Maybe some in the middle, whatever floats your boat


But the argument basically comes down to one thing... what is bad mannered?

The problem with both *strategies* is while they may be considered legitimate strategies, many players will/would/can consider it to be unfair or bad mannered. Say what you will, you won't convince them otherwise.

Conversely, many people may just draw the bad mannered line at malicious insults, direct threats, racial slurs, and the like. And genuinely see no issue with containing, farming, what have you.

Everyone is in their right to do so.



Like in many other games, when *pvp* is about to begin, the standard comment is GL HF to everyone participating. We'd all be wise to consider that sentiment in our games, whatever you choose to do.

 

[Ellenhickle]

I don't farm/contain either, but it happens. I don't get mad, just laugh and wait to what's left of the bg. Someone in here actually told me how to get out of it.

 

[Oniyui]

Why on earth would you make this topic in regards to a specific incident and make @ statements on top of it? The conversation of Farming and Containing does not have to be an @ thread.

WSG is a shitty pvp format anyway.

I'm glad I'm not the only person who thinks this. The map is made for people to farm because people like farming. It's a drug. It's just one more piece of the formula to keep people addicted. Blizzard knows the map is shit. They know how to make a balanced pvp stage. They do it all the time in Starcraft. They also know there's a huge attraction to imbalance for people to take advantage of especially with the promise of rewards.

In a bracket where there's only 2 battlegrounds to choose from and the most available queue is the one made for farming I personally do whatever I can to promote some more community-conscious thought and not degrade our primary outlet for f2p pvp into complete trash by camping pugs at their vulnerable respawn point. I will always give my opponent the sporting chance that Bliz thought was less important than feeding people another shitty grind.

 

[Lil]

Replying to OP's @posts

[MENTION=14218]Lil[/MENTION] you are on my nerves. they are not bully/troll just because they disagree

Telling someone to either quit playing the game they are trying to have fun on or stay down and deal with the relentless killing is bullying. Didn't bother to read my post I guess as I never said once they were a bully/troll for disagreeing with me I said and even made my point about why they were instead of just saying "lawl you bully/troll" They were a bully for giving that kind of justification for gy farming which is what gy farming is.

[MENTION=14218]Lil[/MENTION] what the fuck do you think "right" means

Obviously what I think? Why would I say something I didn't think was right or true..? I can certainly be wrong and I have had my opinion changed plenty of times due to an argument and me clearly being on the wrong side. When I have a reputable person like shft (and others to a lesser degree) saying the samething I was it just backs up what I think. I value some peoples opinions around here and when those people agree with my opinion I do notice it. I'm sorry, call me a bitch or bad person or whatever but I value shft's opinion ALOT more then neon's due to the history of both of them. I used to value everyone's opinion but being on this site long enough made me realize I quickly needed to change that

[MENTION=14218]Lil[/MENTION] you can't honestly think this is right, i mean honestly

Yes I do? When "enemies" stop their bickering at each other and turn it in the same direction at a similar topic I think that shows they don't care who is beside them arguing with or against them, that they feel strongly enough about their topic to argue their point none the less. Feeling strongly about something certainly doesn't mean you are right about it but when MULTIPLE respectable people are saying the same... Well you can just read one quote up. Also just fyi I did add italicized on generally AND obviously and I made sure not to say always as it isn't a clear and cut 100% of the time but in my experience it's generally the same outcome.

[MENTION=14218]Lil[/MENTION] he is providing his opinion and it doesn't agree with yours so you call him troll. i think that makes you troll

You're right that is my one and only troll post in that thread as I was fed up with him and his troll replies over and over. It was also my last post and I didn't continue on making 10 other posts of the same nature like he had.

Trolling=posting something ONLY because you know it will garner a negative reaction from someone and continually doing so once that reaction is given JUST to get another one. That is MY definition of trolling so when someone is arguing with me civilly I will never call them a troll. If a mature person is arguing with me I've never said they were trolling. However last night multiple of neons posts were clearly just to rile me and/or shft up and get a reaction and if you honestly think neon was doing otherwise then pleasere-read that thread.. Idk what's been up with shft recently as he's seemed alittle tempered but I tried staying nice until I got the same reply over and over by neon.

Idk why I'm trying to defend myself as even rereading that I think I handled it fine looking at other posts in there. I am 100% against gy farming and even "containing" upsets me but not nearly to the same degree. I still think containing should be made BEHIND the road/hut and not all the way up on the gy insta killing people. In that example I consider it farming while someone else respectably 3 caps. The people saying "lol you take this too seriously" or "lol deal with it or afk" have all been the people who support gy farming, am I the only ones who noticed? Having enough respect for the other team to atleast allow them to regroup and fight back at their choosing and not instantly as soon as they rez is something I feel everyone should have around here and is something I feel alot of farmers/"containers" don't.


I've made my opinions on here about farming very public and so I will get people who want to argue with me because of it and people who will stand behind me because of it. It's not anything new to me so don't bother making an @thread from a previously locked @thread because you disagree with me. Just make @posts as those are alot less noticable and alot of the times I won't see them. There is nothing else to be said about farming from me atleast and I went to bed with a headache last night so not getting another one today because of this stupid argument. GY farming is bad and disrespectful and it doesn't matter if this is a video game or not those characters you are bullying are people behind the screen as wel. All it normally does is make them mad and turn around to do it to the next people. Containing is a different thing all together but still should be done behind the hut like what horde invasion and Pizza & friends used to SPECIFICALLY make sure to do to allow their enemies to come to them.

 

[Dramatized]

I still think containing should be made BEHIND the road/hut and not all the way up on the gy insta killing people. In that example I consider it farming while someone else respectably 3 caps.

What's the difference? If you're against farming/containing, atleast you should be consitent about it...

Also, I don't know why the opposing team should be given an opportunity to regroup. You're basically giving them an inventation to win.

I'm against GY-camping in the 19s EU bracket because the playerbase is so small and it discourages people to queue when you know you'll face the same team again. But in this bracket just deal with it, wait 15 min for the BG to end, and requeue - you won't face the same guys again.

 

[Honey Badger]

Farming or containing call it whatever helps you sleep at night. there a fine line on it. You should either do what you want or what your guild / community feels about it. Personally Sanctuary has never had a policy on it, only policy we have is don't farm guildies due to having a guild of both factions. So AP Ally farming Ap Horde looks bad since your all from same community.

Containing or farming i would never do that during a Sanctuary vs Sanctuary Wargames cause it just wrong

 

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[Lil]

What's the difference? If you're against farming/containing, atleast you should be consitent about it...

I believe I have been?

Farming= Killing people up on/next to gy as soon as they rez
How farming should be done= N/A. In mid if anything
Containing= Killing people before they can leave their gy area of the map to help the the O/D
How containing should be done= Sitting spread out far enough away to allow enemies to regroup and make a rush at getting free while flocking to any people who attempt to break free and leaving anyone who stays at gy alone..


I know you weren't around for it but HI (Horde invasion) did a great job at containing while they 3 capped. I know you know pizza and from what I've seen atleast him and friends do a great job at containing. Used to always die trying to run past hut and would die just before I got past the tree NOT as soon as I rezzed.

Also, I don't know why the opposing team should be given an opportunity to regroup. You're basically giving them an inventation to win.

Because it's a game made for fun? What's the fun in not being challenged? What's the fun in killing some undergeared noobs (referring to new players as I know alot of very skilled people can get farmed just like the rest)? Just because you kill them 150 feet from the gy instead of 5 feet doesn't mean you are handing them the flag to 3 cap.. It's just giving them a fair chance.

I'm against GY-camping in the 19s EU bracket because the playerbase is so small and it discourages people to queue when you know you'll face the same team again. But in this bracket just deal with it, wait 15 min for the BG to end, and requeue - you won't face the same guys again.

What's the difference? If you're against farming/containing, atleast you should be consitent about it...

Not much more I can add on that topic except that player population shouldn't effect how you treat the player population.. 7 billion people in this world so hey let's treat everyone we know like shit because we probably won't ever see the other 6 billion..

You're lucky you caught me right before I logged off as I'm not being brought into this again.

 

[Snowjobs]

as long as you respect the sacred bg picnic i guess its ok . ( if you're right up on gy then you might accidentaly tab on a picnic-er and violate these sacred rules . thus it is best to stay back at least near stump when you are "containing "

 

[Dramatized]

I believe I have been?

Farming= Killing people up on/next to gy as soon as they rez
How farming should be done= N/A. In mid if anything
Containing= Killing people before they can leave their gy area of the map to help the the O/D
How containing should be done= Sitting spread out far enough away to allow enemies to regroup and make a rush at getting free while flocking to any people who attempt to break free and leaving anyone who stays at gy alone..

I completely understand your definititions, but what I don't understand is why it would be more okay to kill someone just because they are at a different part of the WSG-map.

I know you weren't around for it but HI (Horde invasion) did a great job at containing while they 3 capped. I know you know pizza and from what I've seen atleast him and friends do a great job at containing. Used to always die trying to run past hut and would die just before I got past the tree NOT as soon as I rezzed.

What bracket are you talking about? I know Pizza? I've queued together with him once in my life, and that was in the begninning of MoP.

Because it's a game made for fun? What's the fun in not being challenged? What's the fun in killing some undergeared noobs (referring to new players as I know alot of very skilled people can get farmed just like the rest)? Just because you kill them 150 feet from the gy instead of 5 feet doesn't mean you are handing them the flag to 3 cap.. It's just giving them a fair chance.

The object of WSG, or any other batlleground for that matter, is to win. I think winning is fun, so by winning I get two birds by one rock.

Maybe we have two different definitions of why we BG? Then it all comes down to being subjective, and is really hard basing an argument on.

Not much more I can add on that topic except that player population shouldn't effect how you treat the player population.. 7 billion people in this world so hey let's treat everyone we know like shit because we probably won't ever see the other 6 billion..

You're lucky you caught me right before I logged off as I'm not being brought into this again.

Congratz for entirely missing my point. Why I care about quantities of the bracket is solely based on its future existance. The reason behind me not farming on EU is because I know that the playerbase is too small, so the farmed ones will face the farmers the BG after, which will cause them to not queue, which will cause the bracket to die.

 

[Swoops]

Wow, there hasn't been a GY farming shitstorm like this in well over a year!

The containing/farming debate honestly can't be solved. Containing while capping is logically the best way to ensure quick wins. Map control wins battlegrounds, and WSG is designed to let you control most of the map from one spot - the enemy GY. The downside is that it totally ruins the other team's fun.

The different sides to this argument comes from totally opposite approaches to the game. People who play super competitively often have no problem with hard containment, people more focused on fun and sportsmanship usually do. F2P has always leaned heavily towards the latter. Barring any significant financial issues, I think the group in question would be much better off looking for competition in 19s.

Personally, I won't cross the road for anything but a 24 spriest without much support. Containment also doesn't bother me that much. If I can get out, I'll jump around on a tunnel. If not I'll keep rezzing til I'm bored and then tab out for a bit. If my team's doing the containing, I'll run the flag/support FC, sit on a stump or make a campfire somewhere.


P.S. [MENTION=19372]Seawasp[/MENTION], I'm jealous of your hunter

 

[Mesikämmen]

Also, I don't know why the opposing team should be given an opportunity to regroup.

This. If the team has been pushed to GY once, letting them regroup is not really going to change anything. They will get torn apart in mid exactly the same way as they did before, and they'll end up in the gy. Also, say if you play an arena and your enemy teams healer trinkets a half warstomp vs your priest. Are you gonna think "well lets have some manners here and wait for his trinket to be back on CD before I fear, so they have an edge against us again."

Does it really matter aswell whether the team that is contained dies in the middle or in the graveyard? Why'd you let them pick the flag when you can just 3-0 fast and carry on to the next game, instead of playing a long, boring faceroll game.

Another question is, though, should you groupq with 5man when you know it's gonna be faceroll? Not really, obviously it's fun to play with friends but the games become boring as fuck facerolls.