Return of the Huntard could it be?
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Fujin0
Legend
So, in like, Vanilla? I tried a hunter back then, got it to 60 and I could let my pet 'solo' stuff (I only mended like crazy). Only backdraw was going oom fast.
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Gief DR on conshot.
Oneshot20
Legend
I expect nothing less from a hunter
I am a Hunter...........................................HATE ME!!!!
Franciska
Legend
I would put DR's on snares, but then we would touch Blizzard's so called policy on class niches. Lets just look at Asphyxiation and Fist of Justice for P2P people.....they are totally unique....(Not! They do the same!)
Rollop
Legend
I don't hate you, i pity you. Your class is forever doomed to be hated, and people will forever assume that nubs,scrubs, baddies, brazilians and facerollers play hunters. It's sad really.
Kearbear
Legend
Keep seeing this type of thread pop up, and it /boggles me.
To the title question: (assuming that "huntard" means a bad hunt) No. They're not back, they're still here, there were bad hunts last patch, bad hunts in cata and probably since the game started. Maybe they're a little more effective, a little more frequent, but there will always be subpar players, just like there were (and are) plenty of good hunters in the game.
But seriously, why do we care? There are bad hunts and good hunts just like any other class. Goodness knows I've seen my share of bad druids sticking around cause of how OP they were last patch (/are this patch, p2p feral damage is pretty sweet) bad pallies, bad mages and locks ect (although less of those, because you have to be badass with those classes to make playing enjoyable).
Imo, the status of a class in the current balance means NOTHING. I won't call out a good hunt for playing what they enjoy, just like I wouldn't call out a lock cause they could be playing a more OP class. Anything wrong with this game is not the player's problem. It's Blizzard's, and this bracket more than any other has no cause to complain cause we don't pay a dime for it.
Sure some people are going to hop on the bandwagon and play a hunt cause they're pretty fun (or not depending on preference) at the moment. But what does that matter to me? I'm gonna do the same thing I been doing and try to have fun playing a game, until it stops being fun at which point I'll leave off. This is by no means a sermon, just some friendly advice for everyone in this bracket since I like my f2p peeps; just do what you do and enjoy it. Things are a lot more fun that way.
To the title question: (assuming that "huntard" means a bad hunt) No. They're not back, they're still here, there were bad hunts last patch, bad hunts in cata and probably since the game started. Maybe they're a little more effective, a little more frequent, but there will always be subpar players, just like there were (and are) plenty of good hunters in the game.
But seriously, why do we care? There are bad hunts and good hunts just like any other class. Goodness knows I've seen my share of bad druids sticking around cause of how OP they were last patch (/are this patch, p2p feral damage is pretty sweet) bad pallies, bad mages and locks ect (although less of those, because you have to be badass with those classes to make playing enjoyable).
Imo, the status of a class in the current balance means NOTHING. I won't call out a good hunt for playing what they enjoy, just like I wouldn't call out a lock cause they could be playing a more OP class. Anything wrong with this game is not the player's problem. It's Blizzard's, and this bracket more than any other has no cause to complain cause we don't pay a dime for it.
Sure some people are going to hop on the bandwagon and play a hunt cause they're pretty fun (or not depending on preference) at the moment. But what does that matter to me? I'm gonna do the same thing I been doing and try to have fun playing a game, until it stops being fun at which point I'll leave off. This is by no means a sermon, just some friendly advice for everyone in this bracket since I like my f2p peeps; just do what you do and enjoy it. Things are a lot more fun that way.
Chykcha
Legend
I do not understand hatred to hunters in this bracket, well I actually remember it from "it's a hunter's weapon!" joke times, but still do not understand.
The problem of hunters here is that they've got everything except for healing - party buffs, slows, interrupts, escapes, pretty good damage. A lot of things would be better if f2p was limited to 30lvl (2nd tier of talents) so any class would have these things.
As for the recent 5.3 buff I dont really see how hunters became so badass - right now cause of +10% RAP and +10% on SS and AS and people going to surv +~7% overall damage cause of ES, the overall damage increase is about 15-20%, BUT they took out the freaking 3sec stun and 3sec stun + combo of 2sec stun from wasp (no DR) or 4sec silence from moth was much better than plain +15-20% damage increase.
Ah, yes, imagine your class with only one possible spec (surv) and one possible talent (there is usage for 8sec web, but it's rare) and in surv you get only one new skill. Lol.
The problem of hunters here is that they've got everything except for healing - party buffs, slows, interrupts, escapes, pretty good damage. A lot of things would be better if f2p was limited to 30lvl (2nd tier of talents) so any class would have these things.
As for the recent 5.3 buff I dont really see how hunters became so badass - right now cause of +10% RAP and +10% on SS and AS and people going to surv +~7% overall damage cause of ES, the overall damage increase is about 15-20%, BUT they took out the freaking 3sec stun and 3sec stun + combo of 2sec stun from wasp (no DR) or 4sec silence from moth was much better than plain +15-20% damage increase.
Ah, yes, imagine your class with only one possible spec (surv) and one possible talent (there is usage for 8sec web, but it's rare) and in surv you get only one new skill. Lol.
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ChaelSonnen
Legend
Not sure how 10% RAP + 10% moves +8% surv dmg + x% gear buff only = 15-20% dmg increase... looking forward to +50% AS dmg buff next patch...
this is all on top of hunters topping dmg last patch anyway. i could trinket out of a stun.. i cant trinket out of ridiculous dmg :S
Chykcha
Legend
+10% RAP is almost +10% damage overall (since it's not like surv passive +10%agi it does not give additional crit, so it's more like +9% damage).
+10% AS is roughly 35% (AS is 30-40% of overall damage) * 1.1 ~ 3.5% overall damage increase.
+10% SS is roughly 6% (SS is 5-10% of overall damage) *1.1 ~ 0.6% overall damage increase.
+8% because of using ES in rotation was taken from the sky, my overall DPS in dungeons is exactly 15-20% higher now.
It will be (if it goes live) not flat +50% damageincrease, it will be BURST increase, what we could do in 3GCD's will be done in 2GCD's, focus-wise DPS will not change much.
All hunters could go surv before 5.3, but they didnt, guess why? Cause of 3sec stun, surv was better in terms of damage even in 5.1-5.2.
While hunters are really enjoyable class in 20-24 brecket I still do not understand how OP their damage is, cause balance druid is doing the same spamming his starfire+some DOTs, rogue ambush is doing 1k hits, warriors slam is still 600-800 and resdruids and hpalas are still out of oom question. Right now i feel pity (and felt before) only for locks and mages, DPS monks probably too.
ChaelSonnen
Legend
Rogues dont crit me for 1k even on my mage. Balance doesn't come close to hunter dps (are you kidding me?). Warriors need the dmg since they get kited so easily! Resto and Hpal i agree are the worst... don't see too many monks around these days. But yes i do think excess of 100k dmg in a BG is a bit much.
And you forgot to include the extra dmg you get in bg from gear scaling...
I understand you are butthurt about the loss of a stun but rly... 2 stuns is op in this bracket
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Rollop
Legend
Imagine your class being completely worthless in bgs regardless of spec/gear/skill. The reason why most people hate them is a pain left over from cata. They dominated every other class, and were pretty easy to play on top of that. You could always spot the bad ones, because they backpeddled, but it didnt matter, they blew you up anyway, people are worried we're going to return to those dark days.
Chykcha
Legend
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And 750-850 crits from starfire is really common.
Warriors are actually really hard to kill if they've got a healer, cause of mail+shield+def stance.
Everyone gets extra damage/surviveavility from scaling, not only hunters, why would I include it?
I agree that hunters control is OP in this bracket, but damage is on par with other classes.
Nutbreaker
Legend
steady shot 10% buff and arcane shot 10% buff.
if you are a alliance hunter you will deal killer damage
but do you think it will be as brutal as cata?
I almost forgot to notify you arcane shot does magical damage meaning a FireHawk is + 5% making the damage increase 15%
I'd say they're worse, they now have about 100x more mobility than Cata hunters from Posthaste and Steady Shot no longer requiring to be standing still. On top of this mobility, they still do the most DPS in the bracket.
potatoez
Legend
Hunters have been op long before cata.Add wotlk and bc.My very first twink was a nelf male huntard in 29 bracket in 2009.Hunters annihilated everything in sight back then.They have had mobility, damage,cc for years and expansions.If you don't see that hunters are op then you really need to remove those pink Gucci glasses.Needless to say, I never ever rolled a hunter twink again.Hunter hate is justified,but personal attacks on players who play hunters are not.Have a nice day, guys
ChaelSonnen
Legend
link doesnt work...
seriously warriors are a joke, even on my mage (which is underpowered as fuck compared to huntards) if you cant beat a warrior with any class atm then you are bad.
some get more of a damage boost than others... (a particular class that gets +20% after gear scaling comes to mind)
hunter control is OP (conshot spam? does that shit even have DR?) but seriously there is not one other class that comes close to hunter DPS in this bracket! 130k Dmg in AB? 100k+ Dmg in WSG? these numbers every other class can only dream about...
anyway i guess what im trying to say is, if you're not topping damage as a hunter you are bad.
Chykcha
Legend
There is 969 ambush, followed by a 741 eviscerate.
I was not talking about 1v1 shit, on BG's it's quite possible to get hunter/rogue/mage/lock/druid with a burst, even under healing, prot warrior/prot pally can only be killed with time, cause of massive hp/armour/damage reduction.
Item scaling is the same for everyone, you cannot say that X is better than Y even though both X and Y got +10% from item scaling.
Yeap, control is OP.
Good rogue, probably ppala (cause of AOE shield), probably good balance can go on par with hunters damage.
Since I've farmed every possible thing for hunter I do not go after damage numbers in BG's anymore, most of the time I prefer to def or control mid, but yes, even so I top charts, but I cannot take flag (no saves, only escape), I cannot heal, I cannot hard control (roots, sap), basically hunter can see enemy's movements (tracking), do tons of damage and some soft control.
Lil
SV huntard
Same people, same comments, different day.. I want to go through 1 by 1 with every post I disagree with and make my counter but it would be completely pointless as even when I prove someone wrong nothing will change..
All I will say is people who I know are good haven't been seen in this thread complaining. People who I know are good are making the average hunt in this bracket look like a joke in bgs. I have yet to see someone I personally consider skillful use the word "huntard" which alone speaks for itself. I wish this could have ended with tk's post as that is what I personally agree with and one of the only rational posts in this thread that I recall reading.
[MENTION=10843]rsq[/MENTION] I will address you personally since you are one of the better people in this bracket at playing an UP class. I know you remember me in cata. I wasn't nearly as good as I am now that's a given but even in cata with all of a hunters glory you and I had multiple 1v1 battles and it was generally a fun fight vs your lock. "Lock vs hunt in cata and the fights were even?! What is this?" Oh that's right it's an avg hunt vs a really good lock. This goes out to any person on this thread complaining about the avg hunt beating you. There are far better ways to spend your time in this game then complaining about hunters like idk maybe making yourself better?
All I will say is people who I know are good haven't been seen in this thread complaining. People who I know are good are making the average hunt in this bracket look like a joke in bgs. I have yet to see someone I personally consider skillful use the word "huntard" which alone speaks for itself. I wish this could have ended with tk's post as that is what I personally agree with and one of the only rational posts in this thread that I recall reading.
[MENTION=10843]rsq[/MENTION] I will address you personally since you are one of the better people in this bracket at playing an UP class. I know you remember me in cata. I wasn't nearly as good as I am now that's a given but even in cata with all of a hunters glory you and I had multiple 1v1 battles and it was generally a fun fight vs your lock. "Lock vs hunt in cata and the fights were even?! What is this?" Oh that's right it's an avg hunt vs a really good lock. This goes out to any person on this thread complaining about the avg hunt beating you. There are far better ways to spend your time in this game then complaining about hunters like idk maybe making yourself better?
Rollop
Legend
I don't think hunters are too the point they were in cata, but i think they're slowly building back up to it. It doesn't matter either way, blizzard will nerf and buff as it sees fit, and all the baddies will flock too the OP classes, as well as some of the good players who are looking for something easy. Expect this same discussion to pop up, over and over again, until wow fades away or blizzard deletes the huntard class. You notice no one ever cries about lowbie locks or mages? There's a reason why.
potatoez
Legend
I will be frank, Stop taking all hunter related rants personally,Lil, it is not worth it.As long as you enjoy your hunter, that's the most important thing.There is a good saying "don't argue with a stupid person, because the surrounding people may fail to see the difference between both of you".Take it easy ; )